Linux-Hardware Digest #827, Volume #9 Wed, 24 Mar 99 21:13:44 EST
Contents:
Re: Adaptec AHA2930U2 (PB)
Re: Q: Fujitsu Dynamo 640SE and Kernel 2.2.3 (Pas Moi)
Re: -- A LITTEL HELP FOR MILLONS OF WOMEN -- (Andy Carlson)
Re: g200 and svgalib (Rob Komar)
Re: Does anyone have a Socket 8 (PPro-200/256) heatsink? (db)
Re: Microsoft Serial Mouse 2.0a! DO NOT READ THIS! (Shaven Ape)
Re: How to compile Kernel 2.2.2 with redhat 5.2??? - HowTo-URL ("William Grinolds")
Re: 3DFX video Cards CL HELP!!! (Greg Fruth)
Problems running RedHat 5.2 on a IBM Aptiva E247 or E447 system ?. (Peter McGonigal)
Re: Anybody has TurtleBeach Montego sound card running under red hat? (Scott Sherman)
Re: Linux and 486 ("jwpurple")
CardBus 3Com Ethernet card 3CCFE-575-BT (Tilo Sloboda)
Re: No modem response (Allen)
Re: ATI Rage Fury Support on RH51? (Christian D Freet)
Re: Auto-shutdown in Linux? (Colin)
Re: OPL3-SAx sounchip and redhat 5.2 ("Mared Attassi")
Re: What videocard do you use? (Johan Kullstam)
IBM Token Ring card under RH5.2 (David Aubespin)
Re: 2.2.3, ess 1888, & insanity (Victor Sologoubov)
Re: endless SCSI problems...oops more info! (urgrue)
Re: Multi-channel soundcard for Linux (BL)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (PB)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Adaptec AHA2930U2
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:17:56 GMT
Reply-To: pboin @ erols com
Bob Sully in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Has **anyone** been able to get any flavor of Linux to work with this
>board? I had a 2940U in the machine previously which worked fine, but had
>to move it into one of my office machines. Now, Linux can't see it at all.
>
>
>I'm running RedHat 5.2 upgraded to the 2.2.3 kernel. Just for the hell of
>it I tried running the 5.2 install routine again last night - up through
>the SCSI-controller detection routine, which could not find the card.
Well, fwiw I have a Adaptec 1524 and I had similar problems. I had to pass some
parameters to the setup routine so it could find the card properly.
First, I chose not to probe, then I used "aha152x=0x340,12,0" to denote a 152x
card on mem address 0x340, IRQ 12, and scsi id 0. Check out the howto called
'SCSI-HOWTO' for more info.
--
PB
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Subject: Re: Q: Fujitsu Dynamo 640SE and Kernel 2.2.3
From: Pas Moi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 23:17:57 GMT
>> "j" == jshiouj wrote on Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:44:40 GMT:
j> Hi, The good reputatioin of MO(Magneto-Optical) drive finally
j> persuade me to buy one to backup my data, and I just bought a
j> Fujitsu Danamo 640SE. From this NG, I learned that the 2k sector
j> size of 640MB disk will be a problem for linux kernel 2.0.xx. And
j> two different(??I did not look into them yet) patches can be found
j> from
j> http://www.erlangen.netsurf.de/linux-mo/
j> http://liniere.gen.u-tokyo.ac.jp/2048.html
j> Also some people reported that development kernel 2.1.xx seems to
j> be able to handel this problem. So I just wonder if kernel 2.2.3
j> already solve this problem? Or should I try patch for 2.0.xx or
j> 2.1.xx? Which one is a good solution? Thank you for your
j> experience and help.
the 2.0.x patches work well enough. i haven't tried the 2.2.x kernels
yet, so i can't compare. i guess it depends on how much a pain in the
ass upgrading to 2.2 would be. you could also stick to the 512k
sector size disks, too.
my drive gave me intermittent errors. people recommend turning off
all the switches on the back, except for the termination. if you do
get trouble even after applying the patches, try that.
g.y.
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TAX-DEFERRED!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andy Carlson)
Subject: Re: -- A LITTEL HELP FOR MILLONS OF WOMEN --
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:33:25 -0600
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rob Komar)
Subject: Re: g200 and svgalib
Date: 24 Mar 1999 23:21:57 GMT
morgan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: I have gathered that a g200 agp card cannot do higher than modex
: resolution in svgalib, is this true? I have tried everything I
: can think of and it refuses to work. Specifically I want to get
: higher resolution in quake and quake2. quake only lists video
: modes 5-9(all modex I believe) no matter what I try in libvga.conf.
: If I try and use the vesa driver(which the readme says works) it
: cays something about bad vm86 info or something like that....
: If teh chipset if not defined in the config file it says unknown
: chipset and using oak drivers?!?!?!?! Anyone know what's going
: on?
That's all you get. Scitech Software offers a commercial package
that will let you run higher resolutions on that card. There's
a beta test version that will run for three weeks that you can
try. Check out www.scitechsoft.com. They offer an X server,
as well, in the package, but I wasn't impressed with it.
Cheers,
Rob Komar
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (db)
Subject: Re: Does anyone have a Socket 8 (PPro-200/256) heatsink?
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 05:00:28 GMT
Just buy a P-Pro CPU Cooler. heat sink is included. Cost you $20-30
for a ball bearing one.
Good Luck. Regards,
David Brenner
On Wed, 10 Mar 1999 07:48:10 -0700, Gordon Haverland
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi!
> I managed to find a second CPU with the same stepping
>as my original PPro-200/256, but it came without a
>heatsink. Does anyone have a spare heatsink? I want
>to play SMP.
>
>Gordon Haverland
>haverlan @ agric.gov.ab.ca
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From: Shaven Ape <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.setup.hardware,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Microsoft Serial Mouse 2.0a! DO NOT READ THIS!
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 23:32:38 GMT
> I'm not trying to be a smart ass but a trackball is fairly consistent and it
> don't take allot to
move the thing . I have a Trudox that I have been using for years under
windows.
> Mool wrote:
>
> > Why don't these mice ever work right?!!!!!!!!!!!! I have tried other mice
> > too, what is the secret to having a mouse that rolls perfectly with minimal
> > pressure?
> >
> > Is it the mousepad? My mouse is clean BTW. Is it the ball inside?
> >
> > WHAT IS THE TRICK TO GETTING A MOUSE TO WORK PERFECTLY AND RESPOND WITH
> > MINIMAL PRESSURE?
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From: "William Grinolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: aus.computers.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: How to compile Kernel 2.2.2 with redhat 5.2??? - HowTo-URL
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:29:55 -0600
Bad URL - web page not found...
Bill
Tim wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I was able to upgrade to the 2.2.3 kernel over 2.0.36 (RH 5.2) by following
>the guide at
>http://www1.portal.redhat.com/support/docs/rhl/kernel-2.2/kernel2.2-upgrade
.
>html Hope this helps.
>
>-Tim
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Greg Fruth)
Subject: Re: 3DFX video Cards CL HELP!!!
Date: 24 Mar 1999 18:40:54 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rod Prather <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> The guy that has the system has a Creative Labs Blaster Banshee. It is a
> 3D AGP card and refuses to work with X Windows. After searching far and
> wide all I seem to find is "you can't get there from here" Is there a
> driver or for these cards. It seems that there are only a few 3D cards that
> have linux support at all. Anybody have a current list.
3Dfx cards are one of the few 3D cards that ARE supported!! Well, for FREE,
anyway. If you don't mind spending a few dollars check out:
http://www.xig.com
http://www.metrolink.com
These guys supply OpenGL kits for numerous 3D cards. I think if you
buy their OpenGL drivers they oftern throw in a free copy of their
accelerated 2D X server products as well.
For an overview of free support of 3D cards under Linux, check out:
http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~werdna/XFree86-3D-status.html
For 3Dfx cards in particular, see:
http://glide.xxedgexx.com
http://www.mesa3d.org
http://www-hmw.caribel.pisa.it/fxmesa/index.shtml
The first link is for the Glide 3Dfx driver, which I believe will help
you play Quake, if that's what you're looking for. The 2nd and 3rd links
are for 3Dfx support in Mesa (an OpenGL workalike).
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Gregory Fruth ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
The Aerospace Corporation
Los Angeles, CA
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From: Peter McGonigal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Problems running RedHat 5.2 on a IBM Aptiva E247 or E447 system ?.
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:34:39 +1100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am hoping someone can help me.
I thinking about buying an IBM Aptiva E247 or E447 for home.
My intention is to set it up with separate partitions, one for
Windows 98 (ie. PC games for the kids) and one for Linux Redhat 5.2
(ie. for me).
The two models I'm looking at are :
- IBM Aptiva E 247
processor : AMD K6(R) 2/350
graphics : ATI Rage Pro 2X Turbo AGP
- IBM Aptiva E 447
processor : Intel Celeron 400MHz
graphics : Graphics Blaster RIVA 128zx
Before choosing one of the above models, I would like to confirm
that both Linux Redhat 5.2 and XFree86 recognises all the hardware
in these systems and runs well.
I have heard that the installation of Redhat will sometimes freeze
on systems running with an AMD K6 2 processor.
I have also heard that Aptiva audio and internal modem might not
work with Linux.
Can anyone confirm this happening on an IBM Aptiva ?.
Do you know of anyone who runs Redhat on an Aptiva E247 or E447
without any of these probems ?.
Any info would be much greatly appreciated.
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From: Scott Sherman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Anybody has TurtleBeach Montego sound card running under red hat?
Date: 24 Mar 1999 23:31:52 GMT
I have been looking around and haven't found any information for a while,
please let me know as well if you find anything.
-Scott
Arnab Das wrote:
> sasani wrote:
>
> > Let me know if you have. I am getting tired of running WinNT everytime
I need
> > to listen to sound clips.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Si
>
> hi there:
>
> i have the same sound card. could you please let me know if you manage
to get it
>
> to work? thanks very much.
>
> arnab.
>
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From: "jwpurple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux and 486
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:34:06 -0500
Go for the P75 if you've got the extra cash. It should do fine for some
time, while the sx machine is marginal.
While we're bragging about how 'little' a machine linux will run on, I
started with 99.15 on a 386sx25/4meg memory/250Mhd and actually got X
running, but it was slooooow.
Wake
TN wrote in message ...
>Hi
>
>Will Linux work well on a 486? I've found a sale on IBM 486sx33/8mb/270hd
>for $79.
>Is this an OK machine for me to try Linux out on or should I get the
>P75/16m/850 for $199?
>
>Regards,
>Ted
>
>
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From: Tilo Sloboda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,linux.dev.laptop
Subject: CardBus 3Com Ethernet card 3CCFE-575-BT
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:09:38 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I try to use a 3Com/Megahertz 10/100 base-T Ethernet CardBus card
with my SONY 808 laptop running redhat 5.2 / kernel 2.0.36.
The card gets mis-recognized as 'anonymous memory card'
Does anybody have experience with CardBus cards and the 'cardmgr'
and how to tweak the system to recognize this card?
please reply by EMail !
thank you
Tilo
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Allen)
Subject: Re: No modem response
Date: 15 Mar 1999 15:33:29 GMT
Is your built-in Com 2 port disabled in the CMOS setup?
On Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:23:54 -0500, "Greg Millen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I should have mentioned it is an ISA card.
>
>
>
>>I am a newbie to Linux and cannot get my modem to respond. I read the man
>>pages and the posts in this group plus some other info sites, no joy so
>far.
>>
>>In the BIOS my COM2(cua1) shows 2f8.
>>
>> setserial /dev/cua1 shows 2f8 and IRQ3.
>>setserial /dev/modem shows 2f8 and IRQ3.
>>/dev/cua0 is the mouse and set to 3f8 IRQ4.
>>
>>If I go into minicom and try to dial with CTRL A D and ISP number the modem
>>does nothing.
>>setting local echo and ATZ or ATI shows no response also.
>>
>>The modem is a 33600 and has a Rockwell chipset and labelled :
>>
>>RC336ACFA
>>R6749-25
>>ROCKWELL 96
>>9722 B29731-3
>>MEXICO
>>
>>The modem worked previously in W98 so I am assuming it is not the modem
>>hardware.
>>
>>Any help appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
Allen
(email addy; user ID portion has a numeral one in place of word
onespoiler, and of course, delete the bogus secondary domain of nospam.)
PC/hardware Guru, and Linux Newbie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christian D Freet)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: ATI Rage Fury Support on RH51?
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:11:33 GMT
Please post any finding you may have; all of us who have the Rage 128
cards would like to know if / how it works... Thanks.
On Wed, 24 Mar 1999 17:17:39 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Derek O'Harrow) wrote:
>> Can RedHat 5.1 support the ATI Rage Fury graphics card (Rage128GL
>> chipset)?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> ----
>>
>> Derek O'Harrow
>> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> http://www.oharrow.co.uk
>> ICQ: 11523136
>>
>
>I'm about to install Redhat 5.2 and see if my Rage 128 will work! I'll mail
>you if I find out anything!
>
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From: Colin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Auto-shutdown in Linux?
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:35:28 -0500
roboted wrote:
>
> Does anybody know how to have Linux shut down (power-off) an ATX
> computer on a halt command?
"halt -p" should do the trick.
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From: "Mared Attassi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OPL3-SAx sounchip and redhat 5.2
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:21:44 +0100
hi,
i cannot find a program isapnp or a package to install it. stressing
altavista didn´t help. where can i get it from?
many thanks
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RM Mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb in Nachricht
01be760e$efb3a4a0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]///
>I was fooled by that one for ages untill I tried to set up my modem and
>realised the oplx was pnp board. There are 3 devices on the board which
>you will need to allocate space for using isapnp. Then run the sndconfig
>or what ever it is called and off you go.
>
>Andy Bird.
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From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: What videocard do you use?
Date: 24 Mar 1999 14:36:38 -0500
Andrew Comech <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi,
> I would like to hear your experience with cheap videocards;
> precisely, at which resolutions YOU RUN THEM,
> and what is the best refresh and color depth.
> Also, if there is something specific in the configuration.
>
> I am asking this because of my experience with Trident 9750:
> although it is mentioned as supported by Xfree86 3.3.3.1, the
> screen remains black at most resolutions (no errors reported).
> Other people complained about the same problem.
i am running a matrox millenium ii with 4M of wram. it's the old
chipset (i can't remember the number atm) - not the g200. i use 1100
something by 900. i can go up a notch to 1200x1000ish but then things
are too small to see comfortably on my monitor. it's a great card and
is well supported. one of the best for X, but not as good at games.
i paid about $50 for it back in october at some computer show.
--
johan kullstam
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From: David Aubespin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: IBM Token Ring card under RH5.2
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:09:49 -0500
Hi all,
I am trying to set up a network access under my brand new RH5.2 but it
doesn't work at all. I am using a IBM Token Ring Card (PCI), so I should have
an interface tr0 using the module ibmtr (from what I've understood). I've
configured everything via netcgf (static IP address, etc) + kernelcfg (for the
ibmtr module), but when I try to activate the tr0 interface, I get a 'Delaying
tr0 initialization'. Besides, I get a ibmtr: module not found at boot time...
(although I compiled a new kernel..).
If anyone can help, that would be GREAT!!!
Thanks.
david
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From: Victor Sologoubov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 2.2.3, ess 1888, & insanity
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:58:06 GMT
I have the similar problem with ess1868. When I run
maplay on a heavy loaded system, it sometimes displays
Sound: DMA (output) timed out - IRQ/DRQ config error?
I think it is a bug in the sound driver.
Partial solution for me was to edit driver/sound/dmabuf.c.
In function dmabuf_timeout I replaced the line
tmout += HZ/5; /* Some safety distance */
with
tmout += HZ; /* Some safety distance */
and recompiled modules.
Victor Sologoubov
=======================================================
In article <7cdb0v$5rp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Herbert Ho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i've been having the strangest problems with my sound
card (ess 1888) under
> 2.2.3 kernel. it worked ok (kinda buggy, but worked)
under 2.0.36 but refuses
> to work now.
>
> i've tired compiling as modules and into the kernel. the
best i get is the
> ability to play ONE and ONLY ONE sound file. then it
gives me the error i get
> all the time:
>
> dma (output) timeout: IRQ/DRQ conflict?
>
> i'm sure this isn't a conflict. my /proc/interrupts:
>
> CPU0
> 0: 74022 XT-PIC timer
> 1: 1706 XT-PIC keyboard
> 2: 0 XT-PIC cascade
> 3: 2319 XT-PIC eth0
> 7: 1 XT-PIC soundblaster
> 12: 30668 XT-PIC PS/2 Mouse
> 13: 1 XT-PIC fpu
> 14: 32841 XT-PIC ide0
> 15: 4 XT-PIC ide1
> NMI: 0
>
> in addition, /dev/sndstat gives nothing helpful. just
states the driver as
> the ess 1688 when complied into kernel and the ess 1888
driver when in
> modules
>
> my /etc/conf.modules (part that pertains to sound):
>
> # sound information
> alias char-major-14 sb
> options sound dmabuf=1
> options sb io=0x220 irq=7 dma=1 dma16=5 esstype=1888
>
> the card works fine under win95. it just won't work
under 2.2.3. in
> addition, after getting the dma timeout message, no
program can write/read
> to/from the floppy device. whether its mounted or not.
i end up having to
> reboot to restore use of the device. why is this?
>
> preusing this newsgroup i've only found a few related
posts...and the only
> reply to the few were that the proprietory oss drivers
should be used. but
> the webpage for it doesn't even have support for the ess
1888. it seems only
> people have trouble w/ the ess 1688 and 1868 ...but not
this. has ANYONE
> gotten this to work?!?!
>
> ANY comments would be helpful. thanks in advanced.
>
> herbert ho
>
> "Just do me a favor, don't breed."
> -- Adam Carona, Loveline
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (urgrue)
Subject: Re: endless SCSI problems...oops more info!
Date: 24 Mar 1999 21:28:47 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
i forgot to mention that in the BIOS, ive set the scsi to 0x350 and irq 10,
not 5 as linux seems to think...ive tried alternate settings as well. im
guessing this has more than a little to do with the problem, but i dont know
how to tell it otherwise.
incidentally, my ethernet card is set to irq 11 (in the bios) but is detected
at irq 9...and works!
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Crossposted-To: rec.audio.pro
From: BL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Multi-channel soundcard for Linux
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 00:42:58 GMT
marc lindahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> , BL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: >because hardware folks think that defining the CSRs and calling protocol 'give
: >the store away'. I think they give everyone else too much credit - by the
: >time someone reverse engineers your CHIP, the tech will have changed enough to
: >keep the competitive advantage. but many companies feel the way they do and
: >there's no trying to change their minds; so they wont even document enough to
: >write a driver. and we in the linux crowd suffer ;-(
: The card is based on a Mot DSP and Altera FPGA. So to support it for driver
: porting, we have to open up source code, DSP code, and FPGA fusemaps.
: >I bought this card (the sonorus studio) with the clear understanding that it
: >would support linux to the FULL set of features in a short period of time
: >(less than a year, for sure).
: No you didn't, Bryan. You bought the card as an employee of SGI, one of our
: partners, for our (confidential) industry-accommodation price.
totally irrelevant. never once did I disclose any details of this since I
consider it totally irrelevant and in poor taste. so why are you bringing
this up?
: And I made
: it clear to you that OSS was doing the Linux drivers, and you had to ask
: them what was going on with that.
yes.
: > I've been waiting over a year now and linux
: >support is dismal, at best, on this card. and the OSS folks don't seem to
: >want to spend ANY serious time on it. so stereo 'sort of' works (according
: >to their release notes) and multi-channel support is too far away to even hope
: >for.
: I'm not happy with thier progress either... but as I said before, they seem
: to be the most experienced outfit writing audio drivers. Find me better,
: and I'll talk to them too.
I may not have written as many -drivers- as they have (sound drivers, that is)
but I more than make up for it in the amount of time I had to spend on the
project and I have one more very relevant motivation to bring to the table: I
wanted to actually USE the darned thing, as well as writing some custom apps
to show the card in its best light. OSS isn't in the apps business and
doesn't seem to want to me. I, OTOH, have no rigid guidelines as to what
boundaries I will and won't cross. if writing a custom gtk+ app helps debug
the driver, so be it - I'd write the app and have a total package to donate
back.
: > so at this point, I have a functionless card that I paid a lot of money
: >for. and having to step down to 'doze to do my multichannel work isn't what I
: >bought a sonorus card for...
: It's not functionless -- it works great under Win95/98, NT, and MacOS.
ok - I didn't mean it in the most literal of senses. sure, the card works -
but I've experienced way too much instability with the few windows apps I've
tried, and I know of no one that would record a single historic event to a
windows multichannel app. and I don't own a mac and never will. as far as NT
goes, your driver is still very new. it may well be much more stable than the
95/98 driver (it could ONLY be more stable under NT, one would hope) but
again, NT isn't exactly in the same league as linux is, in terms of raw O/S
stability.
: That's what we sell. You seemed to have your eyes open when you took
: advantage of our relationship with SGI -- maybe your eyelids were painted
: like eyeballs like Curly in that 3-stooges episode....
that remark was not necessary, marc. really. no need to get personal. its
an insult to Curley, to compare him to me... ;-)
: >I've spoken both with sonorus and OSS. neither have any good reasons for why the
: >effort is stalled.
: You're welcome to your (unfounded) opinion. We support OSS in thier effort,
: but they seem to move at a snail's pace. We continue to update our code
: base to them as we find and fix bugs, add features, etc. That's our part in
: this. We can't force them to work as hard as we do!
yes you can. you can withdraw your relationship with them and find someone
who -cares- about creating a driver for your card, and in a timely manner.
even though folks like me can't just copy and modify an existing driver that
we wrote, we can more than make up for this in terms of extra energy and
interest and IMHO that balances the equation. sometimes folks work harder for
love than they do for money...
: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> , BL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: >Sam E. Trenholme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: >: If you read the entire thread, it sounds like the Sonorus is open to the
: >: idea of making an agreement with a developer. Now all we need is for a
: >: Linux developer to come forward.
: >
: >I volunteered my services (even for free) and they declined. they wanted to
: You don't have any experience writing this type of stuff!
come on - I have over 15 years of programming experience. I'm FAR from a
novice. sure, I haven't written a driver for a card like yours, but give me
-some- credit, please. driver writing isn't rocket science. designing novel
hardware clearly -is-, but simply making the hardware talk to other software
is a lot less difficult than you make it out to be.
: We need
: *experienced* developers, we don't have the time to teach someone how to
: write good audio drivers. I made that clear when you offered your services.
you -want- experienced developers, but those 'experienced' developers are
sleeping on the job. or to that effect.
: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> , BL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: >companies need to realize that its in their OWN best interest to get 'those
: >crazy linux guys' to buy your hardware. but we usually won't unless there's a
: >linux driver for the card. and one that actually works, ulike the OSS crapola.
: Show me how it's in our interest. Give me a breakdown of the linux pro
: audio market
I can't, because you haven't enabled the linux market to -form- ! its a
chicken and egg problem.
: and our potential sales there. Guess what? I've done it, and
: it's *miniscule* compared to Windows and even Macintosh.
its less than miniscule. but that could change if there was a multichannel
capability for linux.
: We want to support it, but it has to be in a way that's financially
: responsible for *us*. I didn't start Sonorus as a linux welfare machine.
: "Show me the money!"
it will come. if there's a functioning driver, you'll get some return on it.
directly and indirectly. and you do have to give it time. but you could OWN
the linux multitrack market if it was properly seeded. currently, its not
properly seeded. so of course it can't grow.
: >its real easy to answer the phone and say 'sorry, post your problem to usenet
: >- we didn't write that driver. [click]'. it takes what, 20 seconds of your
: >time to do this?
: Oh yeah, I'm sure we'd enjoy a stellar reputation with you answering our
: phones.
nothing wrong with stating your disclaimer on the public domain side of
things. no one's asking you to give ultra-polite and politically-correct
answers to linux hackers. and in fact, linux hackers can usually read, so if
you write that we can't call tech support, we usually wont ;-) I wouldn't, at
least.
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