Linux-Hardware Digest #98, Volume #9 Sun, 3 Jan 99 22:13:34 EST
Contents:
Re: linux viruses (rens)
Re: Biggest hw change without rebooting? (Hashi)
Intel GX Chipset Compatible? (Eric Larson)
Re: took out simms now no video, help (Schmid Ralf)
Re: Diamond Rio (Mohd H Misnan)
Re: ensoniq + /dev/sequencer help ("Nik Anderson")
Re: AMD k-6 & external cache failure ("Larry D Snyder")
same old story (beer god)
Re: Linux and AGP ("Oded Arbel")
Re: AGP Support in Redhat 5.2? ("Oded Arbel")
Re: AMD K62-3d and 2.0.36 ("Larry D Snyder")
Re: Partition Software - Partition Magic, Bootit, Boot Manager or Ranish (Andreas
Jung)
Linux acessible from Win 95 or NT??? (Andreas Jung)
Re: Ensoniq Sound card problem ("Michael McAfee")
Re: Booting from a SCSI cdrom ("Richard F. Jr.")
How to proove that down under windows is crap compared to linux ("karlo")
Re: Partition Software - Partition Magic, Bootit, Boot Manager or Ranish Partition
Manager ("Jim Orfanakos")
Never mind, it's fixed (Mock Turtle)
Re: WHEE!!!! Linux on an 386 (for real) w/ 4M (Jasper Janssen)
Re: WHEE!!!! Linux on an 386 (for real) w/ 4M (Jasper Janssen)
Re: Ensoniq Sound card problem ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Printers for OS/2 and Linux ("Dave Nelson")
Printers for OS/2 and Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: WHEE!!!! Linux on an 386 (for real) w/ 4M (Brian Miller)
Re: same old story ("Oded Arbel")
Re: Help!!! X-Windows and SiS 5596 ("Stephen J. Lawrence Jr.")
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From: rens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux viruses
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 01:18:44 -0100
x wrote:
>
> is it possible to get a virus protector for linux?
I would really not know.
If you have software you do not trust, test it as a normal user, instead
of
root.
in that way, you will never crap your system
rens.
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 18:04:46 +0000
From: Hashi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Biggest hw change without rebooting?
re:
---
> Since Linux users like to boast about how long they can go without
> rebooting, I was wondering, what was the biggest hardware change you made
> without having to reboot?
>
> Today I hot-plugged an ISA serial card into a running Linux system, ran
> setserial to configure the UART, connected a modem, and dialed up to the
> internet. (Yes, it worked. ;)
---
don't know if this counts, i accidentally knocked out a network card
(it had two cards and was acting as a router between two segments) out
of one the of the servers on a network i built with a friend.
surprisingly, the server didn't mind particularly, though we tried to
hot re insert it, normal network operations didn't continue until we
rebooted :-(
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.~. the way of the Sacred Penguin is the path of
/V\ the truly righteous...
// \\
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^`~'^ http://thor.prohosting.com/~hashaday
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Larson)
Subject: Intel GX Chipset Compatible?
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 23:38:46 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Are there any known problems? I am considering a SuperMicro P6DGE
motherboard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Schmid Ralf)
Crossposted-To:
alt.unix,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,at.linux,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: took out simms now no video, help
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 00:38:11 +0100
Greg Waters schrieb:
>
> Hi,
>
> Has anyone had this problem. Did I cut out the cmos, damage the video
> card,
> or damage the Mother Board.
>
> Cannot reach anything on my computer.
>
> Greg
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> e-mail here please
Hey Greg,
there are a few possibilitys!
First you should try to set in your simms again. If your computer is the
same as bevore and your graphic will work again, the error is in your
new memory modules or they are'nt compatible with your board.
If your computer still does'nt work you have damaged something! The most
reason for this is static voltage! Which part of your hardware is
damaged, you have to find out by changing component by component!
Good luck!
Ralf
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mohd H Misnan)
Subject: Re: Diamond Rio
Date: 3 Jan 1999 06:26:15 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Robert Wuest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Well, I've not even opened the box yet and was wondering if anybody
>knows if it can be used with Linux before I return it and buy a diskman?
Return it and get yourself a MD recorder/player which is even more
useful than the 32Meg Rio which can hold only 8 songs.
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From: "Nik Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: ensoniq + /dev/sequencer help
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 14:38:54 -0800
This is true, the 1370 has no on-board midi capability. It is handled
entirely by the software. This makes for a cheaper card to make/sell,
because the card doesn't need to have lots of rom, and is enabled by the
adequately fast pci interface. For linux, it is a marginally compatible
piece of hardware-- if I'd known the details about this card I would have
gotten a awe64 or something :-(
Nik
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From: "Larry D Snyder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: AMD k-6 & external cache failure
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 18:57:20 -0500
I'm using a AMD 350 (100mhz buss) on a Asus P5A at 400 mhz running 2.0.36
with 100mhz SDRAM without any problems what-so-ever..
LS
Jakub Chmielewski wrote in message ...
>Hi!
>
>I've just heard a rumour that amd k6-2 (fsb 100mhz) has problems on various
>mobos, with external cache - i.e. it should be disabled in linux (and
>**win95**).
>
>Is this TRUE??? ;-((( If so, which mobos are the bad ones?
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From: beer god <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: same old story
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 18:54:13 -0600
yep here it is but another cry for help... my modem isn;t workin with
linux. i have a phoebe v. 90 w/ x2 56k standard. anyone have one of
these and get them to work with linux? i most confuss that i am new at
linux and might be missing something in my setup. i am running RH 4.2
any help....
thanks
jason
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Oded Arbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux and AGP
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 01:44:11 +0200
Cray Lim wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> but would like to upgrade to an
>AGP one in the near future...probably something like that Voodoo Banshee
>AGP thingy. I wonder if linux actually supports AGP video cards?? I
>
I wouldn't recommend getting an AGP Banshee. if you want a Banshee, sticking
with PCI is just the same, as the only difference between the Banshee PCI
and AGP versions, is that the AGP version has an AGP physical connector. in
all other respect (speed, memory usage, bandwidth) it's exactly as the PCI
version.
for more info look at a good benchmark (with AGP results) like in Tom's
Hardware.
Oded
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From: "Oded Arbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: AGP Support in Redhat 5.2?
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 01:40:57 +0200
rhs wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Does any flavor of Linux support AGP video cards? I can get it up with a
>PCI card but my primary card is a Canopus Spectra 2500 (AGP). (Yes I know
>there may not be drivers for the nVida chip yet.)
RedHat 5.1 running XFree86 3.3.3 seem to work quite well with my nVidis
RivaTNT card
Oded
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From: "Larry D Snyder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: AMD K62-3d and 2.0.36
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 19:03:55 -0500
I have been running a K2-350 at 400 for 2 weeks continuous without any
problems (NNTP/WWW server on the internet).. I think the key is getting a
solid motherboard. And it's much faster than a Pentium II or Celeron.
LS
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From: Andreas Jung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Partition Software - Partition Magic, Bootit, Boot Manager or Ranish
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 00:56:30 +0100
Hi,
forget about the first two suggestions. If possible use Partition
Manager but use it in version 4 only. Ranish Partition Manager
is fine as well but seems to get much better with the new
version which currently is available as a beta version
regards
a.
Chris Peek schrieb:
>
> I am building a system that will boot between 4 OS' - Win 95, Win NT WS,
> Linux, and Solaris. I would like to be able to hide system partitions from
> other systems. After doing some research, the 4 partition software packages
> seem to be the most common and well developed ones.
>
> I am looking for opinions/feedback/input on the four packages:
>
> Bootit
> Boot Manager
> Partition Magic
> Partition Manager by Ranish
>
> Can anyone recommend one or the other, or provide feedback as to why they
> have used one over another?
>
> Thanks, Chris Peek
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From: Andreas Jung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux acessible from Win 95 or NT???
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 01:05:03 +0100
Hi
since there is no driver available for my Iomega Ditto Max
drive for Linux I am forced to create backups either from NT
or from Win 95.
I have a FAT 32 and a NTFS and an ext2fs partition on one computer.
Is there any tools available which enables me to see my Linux
drive from NT or Win 95??
Regards
andy
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From: "Michael McAfee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Ensoniq Sound card problem
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 19:16:57 -0500
David Lerner wrote in message ...
>
>An alternative is to get the oss drivers from 4front. This $15.00
>package provides better support for a variety of sound functions.
>
Last time I looked at the OSS site, the basic drivers were $20, and you had
to pay an additional $10 for the driver module that supports the Ensoniq.
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From: "Richard F. Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Booting from a SCSI cdrom
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 19:50:54 -0500
I now have the same trouble with my new system as well,
I did set it up in me BIOS and SCSI Cont. but I can not do it...
My BIOS is AMI on a Supermicro, Duel P II bored ???
can any one help...
Rich
Richard N. Hinton wrote:
> December 25, 1998
>
> This is really more of nuisance, than a real problem. I have three
> OS set up on my computer and everything seems to be working fine, except
> for booting from the SCSI cdrom. First alittle about
> my system:
>
> ASUS P5A mother board with Award bios and 65 megs of DIMM, about
> 8.2+ gig HD's both IDE
> and SCSI. BusLOgic (Mylex) Bt-930 PCI to SCSI controller with
> Toshiba XM5702 CDROM.
> Also one IBM 2.1 gig SCSI drives and (2) 4.3 gig IDE drives
>
> Usually I leave the first cdrom from Suse or Redhat in th CDROm, becasue
> each one
> has a boot (binary) section from which I think they should be able to
> boot from/ I recall with an
> earlier motherboard, I could boot from the cdrom.
>
> I set the boot option on the bt-930 and thought I generally
> configured the devices. The SCSI
> HD is ID #1 and the CDROM (terminated) is ID#4, if I recal correctly.
> Has anyone had this minor
> annoyance, and if so what was done to fix it???
>
> Richard N. Hinton
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "karlo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How to proove that down under windows is crap compared to linux
Date: 4 Jan 1999 00:54:35 GMT
Linux uses more of the processors special instructions.
which ones ?????
Windows must use limited instructions, the same used in the XT 8088 I would
say.
Because if you overclock your CPU to it's maximum overclocking frequency.
(CPU works screen not black at boot time = overclock to next frequency)
Windows works just fine at the overclocked frequency, But linux works most
of the time without kernal panic errors. But my new celery 450 overheats
real fast in linux and stops booting up at around the point where Apple
talk gets started or there abouts.
But Wincrap doesn't hang.
Wincrap 9x would still work if the PII had only 8088 instructions, my 2
cents.
karlo
ps has anyone else experienced celery overheating?? My celery running at
300, it's orinal operating frequency, heats up to 45 degree C within 5 to
10 minutes ( I can see the temp in the bios) .
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From: "Jim Orfanakos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Partition Software - Partition Magic, Bootit, Boot Manager or Ranish
Partition Manager
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 19:59:56 -0500
I have been using Partition Commander & System Commander with great success.
I am booting WIN98, WinNT and Red Hat Linux. As far as hiding
partitions....mine are all hidden by virtue of the partition types:
NT does not see Fat32 or Linux
Win98 does not see NTFS or Linux
Linux will see them only if I mount them
Andreas Jung wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Hi,
>
>forget about the first two suggestions. If possible use Partition
>Manager but use it in version 4 only. Ranish Partition Manager
>is fine as well but seems to get much better with the new
>version which currently is available as a beta version
>
>regards
>a.
>
>Chris Peek schrieb:
>>
>> I am building a system that will boot between 4 OS' - Win 95, Win NT WS,
>> Linux, and Solaris. I would like to be able to hide system partitions
from
>> other systems. After doing some research, the 4 partition software
packages
>> seem to be the most common and well developed ones.
>>
>> I am looking for opinions/feedback/input on the four packages:
>>
>> Bootit
>> Boot Manager
>> Partition Magic
>> Partition Manager by Ranish
>>
>> Can anyone recommend one or the other, or provide feedback as to why they
>> have used one over another?
>>
>> Thanks, Chris Peek
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From: Mock Turtle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Never mind, it's fixed
Date: 4 Jan 1999 01:23:29 +0100
Thanks to those who responded, but why fix it with software
when it can be done with hardware (i think that's supposed to
be the other way but...) I managed to hook my ps/2 connector
to the com port, amazing what you can do with some solder, an
x-acto, a candle, and some modeling clay (makes an excellent 3rd
hand). All comes from being snowed in i guess.
Mock Turtle
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jasper Janssen)
Subject: Re: WHEE!!!! Linux on an 386 (for real) w/ 4M
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 12:23:19 GMT
On Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:11:22 -0500, "Andrew Kunz"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>i always liked to
>
>make clean; make dep; make zImage <enter>
>
>then go to bed :)
Well, yeah... I mean, my 386 takes.. several hours or so. Who cares?
:) It can even continue gatewaying along the while :)
Jasper
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jasper Janssen)
Subject: Re: WHEE!!!! Linux on an 386 (for real) w/ 4M
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 12:25:15 GMT
On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:05:21 -0500, Mike Werner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Sounds like a fun project. We've got a few old PS/2's (MCA, even) down
>in the basement that I'm gonna try that with at some point. Anyway - I
>doubt you want to even try X on a machine like that. And recompiling a
>kernel will probably require a lot of patience on your part. Also, you
>might want to glance through
>http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/mini/Small-Memory for a few
>tips. Also, if possible, try compiling kernels on a larger (i.e.
>*faster*) machine. Just pick the appropriate options during the config,
>then instead of make zImage do make zdisk to put your new kernel onto a
>floppy. Then just take that floppy to the 386 and install the new
>kernel. Probably a few dozen other items to keep in mind, but I can't
>think of 'em off hand.
How about for masquerading you want a few of those modules? I haven't
figured out yet how to transfer the modules... It would help
immensely if I could deinstall the kernel source and C compiler on my
measly 100 meg HD for the server - then I'd be able to do some web
hosting, and my emails wouldn't be limited to 15 meg :)
Jasper
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Ensoniq Sound card problem
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 01:43:04 GMT
When I installed RH 5.2 my Ensoniq sound card worked right away.
>David Lerner wrote in message ...
>>
>>An alternative is to get the oss drivers from 4front. This $15.00
>>package provides better support for a variety of sound functions.
>>
>Last time I looked at the OSS site, the basic drivers were $20, and
>you had to pay an additional $10 for the driver module that supports
>the Ensoniq.
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From: "Dave Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Printers for OS/2 and Linux
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 20:34:19 -0600
I've used a HP694c on all three of those OS's. The HP dj550c or dj500c
would be the driver used for linux, so if the HP 722 is related to the 694
and talks PCL it will work with linux. If OS/2 has a driver for it there
should be no problem at all. If graphics is your thing you may want to get
a more expensive postscript printer to get the most out of linux. Most
linux apps are postscript oriented and use the Aladdin Ghostscript printer
drivers to print to non-postscript printers. The HP family is one of the
better supported.
Dave Nelson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
<76p6nb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I know we have been around this block several times before...
>And I have read the archives and Deja news...
>
>So I'm hoping somone out there can help me make the
>final cut on this printer selection list.
>
>The situation:
>I will be buying a new computer in the next month or
>two. It will undoubtably come with Win98 preinstalled.
>I plan to repartition the hard drive and add Linux (probably
>Red Hat), and OS/2 (version 3.0). So I will need a printer
>that will be supported by all these OS's. I was going to
>get a Lexmark 5700 untill I found out that it was a Win-
>printer and Linux probably doesn't support it. Next on the
>list is the HP 722. I believe that this is a real printer
>and there have been roumors of a new driver that gives
>better OS/2 graphics printing.
>Last on the list in the Epson Stylus 800 Color inkjet.
>Appearently there is a driver available that gives very
>good OS/2 graphics printing. Price is right, as I can get
>a rebuilt one for about $175.00. What about Linux support ???
>
>That is the short list. The final cut will depend heavily
>on what Linux support is available. And I have been told
>that the 722 may be the way to go on that issue. Any
>comments anyone??
>
>--
>Just my $0.02 worth.
>Hope this helps,
>Gordon
>
>PS:
>To reply: replace 'X.bleeb' with 'greeder'.
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Printers for OS/2 and Linux
Date: 03 Jan 1999 17:49:31 PST
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I know we have been around this block several times before...
And I have read the archives and Deja news...
So I'm hoping somone out there can help me make the
final cut on this printer selection list.
The situation:
I will be buying a new computer in the next month or
two. It will undoubtably come with Win98 preinstalled.
I plan to repartition the hard drive and add Linux (probably
Red Hat), and OS/2 (version 3.0). So I will need a printer
that will be supported by all these OS's. I was going to
get a Lexmark 5700 untill I found out that it was a Win-
printer and Linux probably doesn't support it. Next on the
list is the HP 722. I believe that this is a real printer
and there have been roumors of a new driver that gives
better OS/2 graphics printing.
Last on the list in the Epson Stylus 800 Color inkjet.
Appearently there is a driver available that gives very
good OS/2 graphics printing. Price is right, as I can get
a rebuilt one for about $175.00. What about Linux support ???
That is the short list. The final cut will depend heavily
on what Linux support is available. And I have been told
that the 722 may be the way to go on that issue. Any
comments anyone??
--
Just my $0.02 worth.
Hope this helps,
Gordon
PS:
To reply: replace 'X.bleeb' with 'greeder'.
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From: Brian Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WHEE!!!! Linux on an 386 (for real) w/ 4M
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 13:38:42 +1100
Andrew Kunz wrote:
>
> i always liked to
>
> make clean; make dep; make zImage <enter>
>
> then go to bed :)
>
I did this on an old 386 with 4M.
Not only did I go to bed...
I got up the next morning,
then went to work,
then came home,
then had dinner,
then watched a little TV,
then a little more waiting...
and 26 1/4 hours later I had a new kernel.
Brian
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From: "Oded Arbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: same old story
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 04:28:19 +0200
beer god wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>yep here it is but another cry for help... my modem isn;t workin with
>linux. i have a phoebe v. 90 w/ x2 56k standard. anyone have one of
>these and get them to work with linux? i most confuss that i am new at
>linux and might be missing something in my setup. i am running RH 4.2
>any help....
>thanks
>jason
I can't realy much help, since I'm a newbie too, except two pointers :
- if it's a PCI modem, than your screwed - it's most likely a winmodem and
there's no way (currently) to make these work with Linux (rememer - WIN
modem), also, it may be a winmodem even if it's not a PCI, I'm not familiar
with the brand you mentioned.
- Get the latest RedHat , that's 5.2 . this simple inexpensive step usually
eliminates most hardware problems.
Oded
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From: "Stephen J. Lawrence Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help!!! X-Windows and SiS 5596
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 03:12:01 GMT
Yep, that will do it. SUSE driver and SUSU xf86config will do the trick.
Guenther Wieser wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Maybe you want to try the X-Servers from SuSE, which support the SiS
>chipsets
>http://www.suse.de
>http://www.suse.com
>
>Simon Huggins wrote:
>>
>> I am trying to install X-Windows on RedHat Linux 5.1, and have tried the
>> default VGA and SVGA drivers, but I get the message that there is not
enough
>> memory available - ie. 0Kb. This is probably because I have to allocate a
>> portion (from 128Kb - 2Mb) of main system memory to the Video Card - the
>> card itself has NO on-board memory. Is there any way around this anybody?
>> I'd be very grateful for some help on this.
>>
>> Also, I am trying to install the Audiodrive 1868 Card on Linux, but
cannot
>> get any of the setting to work, despite trying to work from my Windows 95
>> System Setup printout. Any Ideas?
>>
>> Many Thanks,
>>
>> Simon Huggins, England.
>
>--
>G�nther Wieser
>creative-it/G�nther Wieser Software KEG
>http://www.creative-it.com
>Student of Telematik at Graz University of Technology
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>In A World Without Walls And Fences, Who Needs Windows And Gates?
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>Written on Linux 2.0.34
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