Linux-Hardware Digest #40, Volume #10 Fri, 16 Apr 99 01:13:37 EDT
Contents:
a few newbie questions ("Chun Lin")
CLustering Linux ("Charles R. Lyttle")
Re: Linux, here I come... ("Eugene")
Re: All the current OSes are idiotic (was Re: Is Windows for idiots?) ("Rob Eamon")
OMG Info Days (Roberto Zicari)
3dfx VooDoo3 (sxltrex)
Re: With dual-processor system, is SCSI a must or is Ultra-DMA enough? (Adam Rheaume)
Re: a few newbie questions (Jonathan Charles Masters)
Re: IS EPSON STYLUS COLOR 740 GOOD FOR LINUX ??? (Grant Taylor)
eth0 not found by ping etc ("Gene Heskett")
Re: All the current OSes are idiotic (was Re: Is Windows for idiots?) ("Martin
Ozolins")
PnP ISA CMI8330 Sound Card in Linux ("Jimmy Lee")
cyrix (Edward Wang)
Re: Dell Optiplex use both video cards? (David Wood)
Re: Modems (Michal Jaegermann)
Re: Linux supported printers ("Donald R. Brewer")
Re: Linux, here I come... ("Daniel G. Hyams")
Re: All the current OSes are idiotic (was Re: Is Windows for idiots?) (Leslie
Mikesell)
Help me....please. (apple)
loadlin and memory (Daniel)
Re: OK I bought a new 40X CDROM, but SCSI Generic no mount? ("Edward P. Lee")
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From: "Chun Lin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: a few newbie questions
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:57:10 -0400
I've just installed Redhat Linux 5.2 on my PII computer.
after I log in, when I try to startx, it said:
execuve failed for /etc/X11/X(errno 2)
when I use ctrl-c to stop it, it said:
xinit: unexpected signal 2.
my mouse is a serial 3 button Logetech mouse, and video
card is Creative 16M TNT AGP card.
Please post or email me how to fix it up.
Another problem. Redhat 5.2 doesn't recognize my Accton
pnp ethernet card. any suggestions?
Thanks.
Chun
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From: "Charles R. Lyttle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: CLustering Linux
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 03:06:46 GMT
I've got a few 486DX2 collecting dust and thought I would try some
clustering. Right now I have two questions :
What would be the best Linux to use on 66MHz-16MegRAM-540M HD cluster.
Secondly, does anyone know how to make a cheater plug to fool the things
into thinking they have a keyboard connected? I once knew how to do
that, but have lost the notes.
Any input the subject of clustering will be greately appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
--
Russ Lyttle, PE
<http://www.flash.net/~lyttlec>
Thank you Melissa!
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From: "Eugene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,at.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.setup.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.win95.setup
Subject: Re: Linux, here I come...
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 04:49:24 GMT
1. If you want your data partition to be accessible by all OSes, you need to
make it FAT16 because NT can't read fat32. The maximum size of a FAT16
partition is 2 gig. I would NOT recommend making a FAT16 partition bigger
then 1 gig though because the clusters would be 32k resulting in a lot of
wasted space. In fact even a 1 gig FAT16 partition would waste a lot of
space because clusters would be 16k.
2. I would allocate more space for Linux. 2 gig would be enough. If you are
planning to run BeOS at the same time, you need more then that. I never ran
BeOS so I don't know how much space it needs.
3. Win98 partition has to be first. Otherwise win98 will not boot. (More
specifically, it has to be on the primary partition).
4. No partition below 1024 cylinders (8 gigs) can be bootable. Make sure all
bootable partitions begin and end above 1024 cylinders.
--
"Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler
"One World, one Web, one Program" - Microsoft's slogan
Ren� Fournier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> But first, I need to repartition my hard drive, and before I accidentally
> kill a wholelotta data, I like to ask y'all a few questions.
>
> First, I "think" I want four partitions on my 10gig drive (running a Dell
> 350, 128MB RAM, ATI RagePro):
>
> 3GB: NT (work)
> 2GB: Win98 (play)
> 1GB: Linux/BeOS/Who-knows-what (learn)
> 4GB: Data (me)
>
> Is this, in your opinion, a reasonable allocation of disk space? I'm only
> using Win98 now, so I'm not sure what NT needs/wants for disk space. I
> intend to put all my main apps (web design, graphics, 3D, Office) on the
NT
> partition, and leave Win98 for games only. The data partition will be just
> for my docs and MP3s. The idea here is, if one partition/OS misbehaves, I
> can just format it and reinstall, without worrying about my data (right?
> :-).
>
> Now, I've heard of stories of people having problems installing Linux on a
> box which already has NT (and vice versa). Apparently something to do with
> primary and extended partitions, etc. I'm not sure. What would you guys,
in
> your infinite technical wisdom, suggest I do to partition my drive as
above
> and install these OSes? (And in which order?)
>
> Presently, I have only Win98 (4gig) on my primary partion, and another
6gig
> partition that's empty (and which can be resliced). I have 1gig of data on
> this drive which I can't backup (I live in Russia now, without
> tape/zip/anything), so I'll need to shuffle that data from parition to
> partition as I repartition my drive and install these OSes.
>
> Any suggestions, advice, roadmaps, or guidelines would be much
appreciated.
> Thanks!
>
> ...Rene
>
> --
> "I can't give you a brain,
> but I can give you a diploma."
> -- Wizard of Oz to the Scarecrow
>
>
>
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From: "Rob Eamon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: All the current OSes are idiotic (was Re: Is Windows for idiots?)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 19:48:17 -0600
Charles R. Lyttle wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Rob Eamon wrote:
>>
>> Charles R. Lyttle wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> [snip]
>> >Language os case semsitive. Just as pen and pin are pronounced slightly
>> >differently, so are Bob and bob. Are you listening, JERRY? Post
>> >something in all UC and you will get lots of flames about shouting.
>>
>> Excellent point but what's different here vs. being case-sensitive with
>> filenames is that the convention of using all caps to indicate shouting
>> is widely known. The convention of how MyFilename is different
>> from MyFileName is known only to the creator. Thus, anyone other
>> than the creator (and possibly their closest friends :-)) will have
>> no idea of how the file "Dogs" differs from the file "dogs" without
>> doing more investigation.
>I deal a lot in "process". All team members have to agree to the
>convention and follow it. Thus some places have rules that would require
>"File myFileName", and others "File myfilename", "File MyFileName", or
>some form of Hungarian notation. I really hate those that insist upon
>File My_File_Name. or File myfilena.txt. The point about being case
>sensitive is that it gives you 26 more human readable symbols to use in
>your naming convention. How you use those symbols is up to you. If I see
>a file that mixes Dogs with dogs, I have a valuable clue as to how much
>to quote when I bid on the job. Whether the language/OS is case
>sensitive or not, using Dogs and dogs is wrong. ( Well, Java does have a
>well establish idiom of writing
>"Object object" but I dont like that either.
>
I think the discussion is mixing variable names and filenames. I was
referring to when one does a 'dir' or an 'ls' and the listing shows
Dogs
dogs
there is some confusion as to what's what. I agree, however,
that varying type/class names and variable names by case
only is also asking for confusion.
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:13:01 +0100
From: Roberto Zicari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,at.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: OMG Info Days
FYI-- pls distribute as you see proper.
OMG Information Days in Europe
The Object Management Group (OMG) is organizing10 OMG Information Days
on "CORBA for the Enterprise" in different 10 cities in Europe in the
April-June, 1999 time frame.
In April:
- Copenhagen, Monday April 26
- Oslo, Tuesday April 27
- Stockholm, Wednesday April 28
- Helsinki, Thursday April 29
Complete programs available at http://www.ltt.de/omg.html
Best Regards
Roberto Zicari
LogOn- OMG Representative
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From: sxltrex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 3dfx VooDoo3
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 19:58:25 -0700
I just bought a 3dfx VooDoo3 2000 PCI. Does anyone have any idea if
anyone is working on Linux drivers for this card? (By the way, it kicks
ass on Half-Life).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Adam Rheaume)
Subject: Re: With dual-processor system, is SCSI a must or is Ultra-DMA enough?
Date: 15 Apr 1999 20:49:49 GMT
Is this machine going to be a server? SCSI is generably more reliable. The disks are
usually built better. Also SCSI can have concurrent reads. This allows for faster
processing and offloads the processor.. :)
-=>Viper<=-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: Michael Hucka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: : I'm in the process of buying desktop workstations for some of our users. We
: : want dual-processor-capable systems (initially configured with one 450 Mhz
: : PII but able to go to 2 in the future).
: Be aware that you need a processor with the same stepping value for the
: second processor! I bought a 350Mhz in my asus p2b-ds, and the new
: processors have another stepping value and won't work. I can either buy
: the same processor from someone that also wants to upgrade or buy two
: faster ones and sell the old one. But well, when you're going to buy several
: systems, just make sure that you buy an even number of processors with
: the same stepping value.
: : I've read many times that SCSI holds
: : an advantage over IDE-type disks for preemptive multitasking operating
: : systems, especially in server applications. But what about a single-user,
: : *dual-processor* workstation running Linux? Will the performance gained by
: : the second CPU be compromised by the lack of SCSI? Most of what our users
: : run are: compute-bound simulations, Matlab-based data analysis programs
: : (moderate I/O), and 2D and 3D visualization programs, with lots of Java-based
: : code coming in the future.
: It won't make much difference as long as you only use one drive, but once
: you use several drives in one machine distribute data smartly over the
: disks, you will notice a bigger difference. In my opinion it is better to
: use several small scsi drives oposed to one big one. You could even create
: a software raid array with a bunch of drives. With IDE the devices on one
: cable cannot be active at the same time (although I believe there is work
: done in this area), and you need a lot of controllers (and irq's) when
: you want to use lots of drives to do load sharing on IDE, but it is possible
: (even IDE raid arrays seem to be possible these days).
: I can't see why dual processor is different in this respect, only that
: scsi knows how to buffer commands (which IDE does not as far as I know)
: and handles these commands itself (putting the processors at ease).
: : We use SCSI disks in nearly all of other our systems (which include Suns and
: : SGIs), but the cost difference between a SCSI and non-SCSI-based PC is
: : substantial enough that I must weigh this issue carefully.
: The scsi drives are indeed more than 2 times as expensive, but the
: fastest drives are only found in scsi.
: --
: Kind regards,
: Dennis Bijwaard (remove antispam to reply)
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From: Jonathan Charles Masters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: a few newbie questions
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:19:58 +0100
Chun Lin wrote:
> I've just installed Redhat Linux 5.2 on my PII computer.
>
> after I log in, when I try to startx, it said:
>
> execuve failed for /etc/X11/X(errno 2)
>
> when I use ctrl-c to stop it, it said:
>
> xinit: unexpected signal 2.
>
> my mouse is a serial 3 button Logetech mouse, and video
> card is Creative 16M TNT AGP card.
>
> Please post or email me how to fix it up.
>
> Another problem. Redhat 5.2 doesn't recognize my Accton
> pnp ethernet card. any suggestions?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Chun
Oh yeah,
when you upgrade to 2.2.5, don't forget to compile
PCI2000 support in.
periscope
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From: Grant Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: IS EPSON STYLUS COLOR 740 GOOD FOR LINUX ???
Date: 15 Apr 1999 23:35:54 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dale Pontius) writes:
> Yes. There's even a web site, though not mine. I don't have the
> URL off the top of my head. But if we're lucky, the Printing
> How-To will give you a pointer.
Alas, the HOWTO itself only provides the URL of my site with the URL
of the list with the URL of the 740 site. I only put a summary of the
database into the howto to save space...
The 740 stuff is at http://lcewww.et.tudelft.nl/~haver/linux/epson.html
There are Red Hat-specific instructions and an upp tarball.
--
Grant Taylor - gtaylor@picante<dot>com - http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/
Cellphone information: http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/cell/
Libretto information: http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/
Linux Printing HOWTO: http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/pht/
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Date: 15 Apr 99 22:53:06 -0500
From: "Gene Heskett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: eth0 not found by ping etc
I've an older ethernet card, NE2000 ISA style.
During the boot, the probe reports finding the NE2000 compatible card,
and it and its driver (ne) report in just fine.
However, any pings that would have to go thru the card to get to the
rest of our network apparently go into a black hole, no matching led
activity on the back of the card. I can't ping its assigned address
from any other machine on the network either, altho in that case, I do
see the red led dancing at 1 per second intervals.
Its kind of a stripped install, about 280 megs of a 329 meg drive, but
I'd think that if a vital piece of the networking wasn't there,
something would surely squawk.
Pinging its own assigned address quad works, as does the localhost
address.
I also have a ppp setup thru an external modem that apparently works
although I haven't done more than verified it dials my ISP account, and
doesn't hang up till I tell it to. Thats on com1/cua0.
Just for grins, mc looked for the eth0 descriptor in /dev but there
isn't one there. Nor in /mnt. Anybody know where it might be found?
Ideas anyone?
Cheers, Gene
--
Gene Heskett, CET, UHK |Amiga A2k Zeus040 50 megs fast/2 megs chip
Ch. Eng. @ WDTV-5 |A2091,GuruRom,1g Seagate,CDROM,Multiface III
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> or |Buddha + 4 gig WDC drive, 525 meg tape
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>|Stylus Pro, EnPrint, Picasso-II, 17" vga
RC5-Moo! 22kkeys/sec isn't much, but it all helps
--
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From: "Martin Ozolins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: All the current OSes are idiotic (was Re: Is Windows for idiots?)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:12:50 -0700
Craig Kelley wrote in message ...
>"Osvaldo Pinali Doederlein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> > > when using Linux I see that people more usually recurse to hyphens to
>> > > separate complex names (e.g. gnome-session instead of GnomeSession)
>> because
>> > This is a symptom of the GUI, not the filesystem. Try to remember
>> > back to your DOS days. Did you miss mixed case? Did you miss the
>> > whitespace limitations? Probably not. When Windows 3 was
>> > released and people actually started using it, they noticed these
>> > deficiencies and it was fixed with VFAT.
>> > Since then, people STILL use single-case names for CLI work and mixed-
>> > case for GUI work. When I program under NT (with Emacs, of course)
>> > all my filenames are lowercase, and I'd wager that almost every
>> > programmer out there does the same. When I save my Word document,
>> > however, it is another story because "CD Report May 1999" is more
>> > descriptive.
>>
>> I din't know about most people, but I did miss large names and cases in
>> FAT16 when I was programming because it sucks having a source file
>> implementing MyClassWithABigName and having to call it MCLWABGN.CPP.
That
>> sucked deeply, with or without GUI. I could even see some people getting
>> used to shorter names for their classes, or developing standards for
>> abbreviation (the VC++ wizards would even help you!) so the filename is
not
>> so bad - which is having the tail to wag the dog.
>
>I never mentioned 8.3 filenames.
>
>I will not defend that crappy design.
>
Don't dump on it until you can write your file system to run in 128K.
>
>--
>The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
>Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: "Jimmy Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: PnP ISA CMI8330 Sound Card in Linux
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:42:39 +0800
Dear all,
I am a newbie with RH5.2. In my system, I have one PnP ISA CMI8330
compatible sound which can be work with WinNT 4.0. However, I cannot setup
it up with RH5.2.
In NT, I have disable the PnP function with the BIOS. And also, it has a
driver for the WinNT.
I have tried to use sndconfig to detect my sound card. However, it is fail.
Any idea or hints?
Thanks in advance.
Jimmy Lee
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From: Edward Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: cyrix
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:37:28 -0700
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Anyone has experience on installing Linux on cyrix 6x86MX machine. After install,
I got "Signal 11 error" when use gcc compiler.
--
Edward Wang
Technology Manager
LFP, Inc.
8484 Wilshire Blv. Suite 444, Beverly Hills, CA 90211
Phone: 213-651-5400 ext. 7302 Fax: 213-782-0497
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<PRE>--
Edward Wang
Technology Manager
LFP, Inc.
8484 Wilshire Blv. Suite 444, Beverly Hills, CA 90211
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From: David Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc
Subject: Re: Dell Optiplex use both video cards?
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:07:47 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dave Wortman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>Dell Optiplex GXa with ATI Rage Pro video card on motherboard and optional
>Matrox Millenium II card in AGP slot.
Are you sure this isn't like other Dell products, where if you specify a
card to do the same job as something that would be on the motherboard,
they don't fit the motherboard part.
Case in point - this machine - a Dimension XPS R450. Because it has a
Dell supplied sound card, the motherboard sound hardware isn't fitted.
Anyway - I've got a feeling the Rage Pro is AGP. As I don't think
there's an Intel chipset that allows two AGP devices in the same machine
(and all recent Dells are based on Intel chipsets and Intel processors),
are you sure the Millennium II isn't PCI? Amongst the current Optiplex
machines, there isn't one with an AGP slot, and I don't think there ever
has been an Optiplex with an AGP slot, though the current machines have
AGP graphics if you go down the onboard graphics route.
For a definitive answer, try the Dell WebTalk forum, accessible from
http://support.dell.com
David
--
David Wood
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michal Jaegermann)
Subject: Re: Modems
Date: 16 Apr 1999 03:15:24 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Andrew Comech ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: So far, no PCI modem has been known to work under Linux.
This is NOT correct. Few days ago I just finished hacking with Jack
of Spades pcmcia ethernet/modem combo card for laptops. I know from a
personal experience that both modem and ethernet work under Linux and
this is definitely a PCI modem.
I heard also about other PCI modems with a Lucent chipset which work
under Linux just fine - although I did not see them with my eyes.
The key factor seems to be if UART (simulated or otherwise) is provided
by a hardware - and this is ok with Linux - or as a big .dll library.
In the later case you have a winmodem on your hands.
Michal
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From: "Donald R. Brewer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux supported printers
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 19:46:24 -0700
What is the minimal processor and memory requirements to run ghostscript on
Linux OS?
Carlos
Tonny Sejr Kromann wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Douglas wrote:
>
>> Where can I find a more complete list of printers that are known to
work,
>> even if they aren't on the standard list?
>
>http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/pht/printer_list.cgi
>
>--
>Tonny
>
>
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From: "Daniel G. Hyams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.setup.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.win95.setup
Subject: Re: Linux, here I come...
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:17:05 -0500
On Thu, 15 Apr 1999, Guillaume Lederrey wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:12:53 +0400, "Ren=E9 Fournier"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>=20
> >But first, I need to repartition my hard drive, and before I accidentall=
y
> >kill a wholelotta data, I like to ask y'all a few questions.
> >
> >First, I "think" I want four partitions on my 10gig drive (running a Del=
l
> >350, 128MB RAM, ATI RagePro):
> >
> >3GB: NT (work)
> >2GB: Win98 (play)
> >1GB: Linux/BeOS/Who-knows-what (learn)
> >4GB: Data (me)
> >
> >Is this, in your opinion, a reasonable allocation of disk space? I'm onl=
y
> >using Win98 now, so I'm not sure what NT needs/wants for disk space. I
> >intend to put all my main apps (web design, graphics, 3D, Office) on the=
NT
> >partition, and leave Win98 for games only. The data partition will be ju=
st
> >for my docs and MP3s. The idea here is, if one partition/OS misbehaves,=
I
> >can just format it and reinstall, without worrying about my data (right?
>=20
> I got a 500 megs partition for my red hat linux, with X windows,
> source code, every thing I need to recompile my Kernel, ... It's
> really enough if you take a little care not to install stuff you don't
> need.
Agreed on this one; I think that 1GB is sufficient for starters,
especially since the original poster states that the primary interest
in Linux is learning. If the Linux needs grow, he can easily store
files on his "data" partition (or repartition the drive to allocate
another partition to linux), since linux can easily read/write a
fat or vfat partition.
Also, don't forget that you need yet another partition if you are
to run linux: a linux swap partition (usually ~64MB)! So, at=20
least one of your partitions will need to be extended (only four
primary partitions per hard drive are possible).
Another issue: linux cannot boot unless it is within the first
1024 cylinders of your drive; make that is the case! Also, Win98
will not install unless it is in the first primary partition.
=20
===========================================================
Daniel G. Hyams
email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
phone: (601) 323-4198 =20
===========================================================
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: All the current OSes are idiotic (was Re: Is Windows for idiots?)
Date: 15 Apr 1999 17:19:27 -0500
In article <7f4u70$isa$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
westprog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>...
>> >If I am working with CORBA, for example, I will possibly be working with
>> >CORBA servers.
>
>> So how do you interact with humans or files? With pipelines the interface
>> is the same. Do you have to make special-case handling for every
>> possibility on every interface that depends on whether the thing on
>> the other end is a human (tty-like device), a file, a pipe, a
>> socket, a tape drive or your corba-aware counterpart?
>
>I would provide system services for all standard cases, and allow commands to
>override for special cases.
Meaning, if you didn't think of programming for all the combinations,
I can't connect them.
>> This just falls out of the simplicity of treating everything the
>> same. If you want the shell to expand file metacharacters you
>> let it see them unquoted. If you don't, then you quote them
>> for programs like 'find' that have their own concept of expansion.
>
>I would not use the words "simplicity" and "find" in the same paragraph.
Yes, that is exactly the point I was trying to make. Letting the
shell handling the parsing of all metacharacters, i/o redirection,
variable expansion, and filename wildcards is the simple way
because it is always done the same and works even if nothing but
the shell is invoked. It may not be perfect but it is consistent
and understandable if you look at the step by step process, and
since it all works by text substitution and re-parsing you can
capture any intermediate state if you want. Because it isn't
quite perfect, there are a few oddball programs around like
find which are needed for the special cases. And, as you note,
simplicity goes out the window when programs other than the
shell do things their own way.
>> You could if you want to do away with the shell as the primary command
>> interpreter. What would be the point? If you don't like the traditional
>> programs, don't use them. Write a program that prompts for input
>> so the shell won't touch it if that's what you want. Other users
>> on the machine may prefer to continue to run existing programs.
>
>Fundamentally, I envisage a future system that is object-oriented in the way
>that Unix is file-oriented.
Unix is not so much file-oriented as 'file descriptor' oriented. It
does try to make everything look like files to a certain extent
with names and permissions for devices, but the real simplicity
comes from being able to use read() and write() as the only
API that most programs need to know (usually with the stdio
wrapppers, but not necessarily). Programs can inherit their
file descriptors and work with sockets, pipes, or whatever
the parent may have arranged and communicate with just about
anything even if the programmer did not anticipate the things
on the other end.
Les Mikesell
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From: apple <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Help me....please.
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:29:51 GMT
Somebody help me... I'm a new user for Linux. I would like to build my own
computer which I'm not sure that I will choose the right parts that are
compatible for linux or not. Here are the lists that I will order:
1. PII Intel 333
2. Pentium II Fan or I have to use Heatsink & Dual Fan
3. Motherborad for PII400 ATX MBD PII AL440LX 3PCI 1ISA 1AGP 3DM
4. 64 PC100 SDRAM w/EFPROM 8ns
5. seagate 8.6 GB EIDE /UDMA33
6. 3COM/USR V90 External Retail Modem or Supre Express 56 Modem
7. Diamond Sonic Impact S90 Sound Card
8. Diamond Speed Star A-50 8MB AGP Video Card
9. Acer 40X IDE CDROM
10. Micronic C300 minitower case
Should I change to another part or just follow to these lists. Please give me
some comments and suggestions for any parts.
Thank you very much,
--apple
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Daniel)
Subject: loadlin and memory
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 19:34:48 GMT
I'm trying to start a copy of linux through loadlin
but the systems stops with the message that
there is less than 4MB of memory. The system
has 8MB.
I've tried running loadlin with both the -t option and
adding 'mem=8M' to the command line. This does
show the system has the full 8MB but when I run
loadin with just 'mem=8M' the system still crashes.
The system is a 386sx with 8MB. I'm running
kernel 2.0.36 and the distribution is 'Pygmy Linux'
-Daniel
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From: "Edward P. Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: OK I bought a new 40X CDROM, but SCSI Generic no mount?
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:57:58 -0700
ATAPI is definitely not SCSI. ATAPI came from the Aplication Program Interface for
the original IBM-AT
(if you still remember what that was). ATAPI handles two devices (master & slave)
with 40 pins. SCSI
handles 7 devices with 50 and 68 pins. I think that's enough for most people. Sorry,
i don't have
time to go into the details. I don't even have time to read all the arcticles in the
only news group i
subscribed (comp.os.linux.hardware), with the hugh volume of postings everyday.
Ryan S Warner wrote:
>
> Could somebody clear up for me exactly what ATAPI is? Just a protocol? Does it run
>over scsi as
> well as ide? My gut fealing is no, but what do I know? Here's a shot in the dark
>hypothesis. You
> have an IDE ATAPI drive, hence IDE and ATAPI are required for reading. But it
>utilizes SCSI
> through IDE tunneling for writing. I'm only guessing about something I really don't
>know about and
> would really like to be enlightened myself. I've seen reference to the SCSI through
>IDE stuff in
> the kernel's make menuconfig, that's why I'm wondering/thinking this. Maybe using
>that will give
> both?
>
> Ryan
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