Linux-Hardware Digest #403, Volume #10 Thu, 3 Jun 99 19:13:35 EDT
Contents:
Re: 3D card with Video TV output (Bryan Scott)
Re: 28 SCSI drives (DanH)
Re: bash-2.03? was: Re: TNT2 Drivers, Diamond Viper 770 (Reid Rivenburgh)
Re: Memory Flush (Brett Neely)
2.2.5-15 kernel eats memory! (Joe Robertson)
Re: After install, RH5.2 claims "fs iso9660 not supported by kernel" ("Luiba")
Re: LINUX and AMD K6-3D NOW, ANY PROBLEM? (Bryan Scott)
Re: X-Server (Douglas Kern)
Re: ATI Rage 128 (Bryan Scott)
Re: 2.2.5-15 kernel eats memory! (Greg Yantz)
Re: HELP: Network Backup (han)
bash-2.03? was: Re: TNT2 Drivers, Diamond Viper 770 (ren)
Anyone know about Element-L? (Kevin Theobald)
USR Sportster dropping line (R G ELLIOTT)
PCI bus interchangeable on X86/PPC systems? (Steve Feil)
Re: ATI All-in-Wonder PRO: Video support? (Bruce R Miller)
Win98 and Linux = win98 problems... (Luis Alvarez)
Re: Xircom CEM56 Ethernet/Modem and 2.2.5 ? (Larry Butler)
Re: tyan tsunami? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Compaq S3ViRGE? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Compaq S3ViRGE? (Fabrice Vergnenegre)
Re: FS: Sun SPARCServer 4/670MP (some 470 boards included) ; $500 US
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Longshine vs. 3Com ("David S. Stephenson")
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Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 14:00:20 -0600
From: Bryan Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 3D card with Video TV output
Robert Woodworth wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Carlos Uchoa wrote:
> > >
> > > Please, Help me
> > >
> > > I would like to Know if Trident image 64 or Diamond Viper 550 cards work
> > > fine with linux and XFRee86 or Motif.
> > > Is it possible to get a linux driver to that graphic boards ?
> >
> > Should... The Viper 550 is I think a Riva 128 or TNT or something of
> > that nature... The SVGA server in the current XFree86 (3.3.3.1 I think
> > is most recent) should work fine. Don't know about the Trident.
> >
> > > I will use Video TV and RGB-S output. Will It work under Linux?
> >
> > Don't know about those specifically, but I've got a Canopus Total3d 128V
> > (Riva 128) in one of my machines, and it'll boot straight to the TV-out
> > in console mode with no problems. I can't get X to work though, I might
> > have to fiddle with the mode settings or something. (That is, it runs
> > but the display on the TV is horribly scrambled.)
> >
> > Hope this helps somehow...
> >
> > -- brion vibber ([EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED])
>
> I have a Real-3D with an i740. X works fine with a Sony monitor, but
> the TV-out only works in console mode (no X). I would really like to
> get X working with TV out.
>
> Does anyone have a TV-out card working with X????
I have ATI's All-in-Wonder and All-in-Wonder Pro with TV-out. It only
works at 800x600 or 640x480, with no support from XFree86. That's the
same as with Windows. I haven't tried it recently though, so don't hold
me to it. =)
-- Bryan Scott
-- CTR Online Systems Administration
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From: DanH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: 28 SCSI drives
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 20:52:32 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Michael Meissner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > gus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> <SNIP>
> > Ummm, the point of the original posting was that Linux kernel will not
> support
> > more than 16 separate scsi devices. If the kernel doesn't support a
> higher
> > number, creating the extra device entries with mknow just won't work.
> The
> > original poster might want to look into the devfs patch, which might
> provide
> > relief.
>
> Can somebody confirm or deny this? Does the kernel really only support
> 16 SCSI devices? I can see where this could be that somebody didn't
> understand, since you can have a MAX of 16 devices per Wide SCSI
> channel, but why wouldn't it support more devices if there were multiple
> SCSI channels?
I'm interested in this too. I have four SCSI devices on two channels.
My motherboard (Adeptec 78xx) supports 30 devices on the motherboard.
Not that I'm planning on adding (22) 18Gig drives tomorrow, mind you...
<g>
Dan
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From: Reid Rivenburgh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: bash-2.03? was: Re: TNT2 Drivers, Diamond Viper 770
Date: 03 Jun 1999 14:38:29 -0600
>> ren writes:
>> I got that, too. My problem was that I only had bash-2.03
>> installed, and /bin/sh was a link to it. The riva_install script
>> appears to only work with bash-1.x, so I downloaded and installed
>> the RPM for that.
> Could this also be the reason why the 'configure' command is not
> recognized by bash? I'm having serious problems installing
> anything, not just riva_install.
Um, probably not, since I hadn't had any trouble running configure
with just the newer version of bash installed. What exactly is your
trouble running configure?
Reid
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From: Brett Neely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Memory Flush
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 02:56:35 -0700
Have you used the 'top' utility? It will give you a continuously
updated snapshot of the most active processes on your system, giving
percentages per process of cpu and memory usage. This (and the 'ps'
program) can help you track down runaway and ghost processes also, which
you can then kill to reclaim your cpu/mem resources.
chris wrote:
>
> I got tired of listening to my HDD thrash, so I added 128MB to my 64. Now, on
> "free", the swap partition is always clean, and everythings much faster (KDE,
> Netscape, Quake3, etc). The thing is that I can watch my used memory slowly
> creep up from 86MB to 136 and on and on, and even if I close all my apps, the
> memory is still occupied. I guess I'm looking for a mem-flushing app. Or am I
> doing something wrong?
>
> Chris
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From: Joe Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,alt.os.linux
Subject: 2.2.5-15 kernel eats memory!
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 15:49:50 -0500
I don't get this.. I'm running RedHat 6.0 with a minimum of services.. and
after a reboot, my free memory is only about 24MB(out of 64). A few hours
later, I have about 1.7MB free, and my swap starts to become active.. I do
not have many users, nor memory-eating apps.. it all seems to go into
"cached" memory.. Now cache is nice, but I don't want all my available
memory allocated to it! And I want to avoid swap usage... can anyone
help??
Here is output of "free" command:
total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 62860 60688 2172 36268 1668 42632
-/+ buffers/cache: 16388 46472
Swap: 24060 1068 22992
Thanks a bunch..
Joe
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From: "Luiba" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: After install, RH5.2 claims "fs iso9660 not supported by kernel"
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 17:42:51 -0300
Hi,
I am sorry but I do not know yet. I also would like to know how can I get a
list of all the loadable modules for a given kernel without having the
.config file that generated it. Can I generate a .config file based on a
given kernel?
This would be great when one, like myself, just wants to add a module to the
current kernel.
So, as you see, I have more questions than answers :-)
Bye,
Luiz Antonio
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Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 14:20:41 -0600
From: Bryan Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LINUX and AMD K6-3D NOW, ANY PROBLEM?
SuperPete wrote:
>
> No one else mentioned this so . . .
>
> You are probably not going to see any advantage from 3dnow in many (any?)
> apps under Linux. Not a compatibility problem, but something you may want
> to look into.
>
> -Pete
>
> Francisco de Borja Rodriguez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >Hi..
> >I wolud like to buy a Amd-K6 350 Mhz, but I do not sure if it is
> >completly compatible with linux,
> >and what is the optimal main board for this combination.
> >Somebody knows if there is any problem?, and what are the differences
> >with P-II of intel?,
> >or any place of internet with this questions.......
> >Thank's in advance.....
> >Paco
> >
> >
I run three k6-2 350 boxes with both Windows and linux, and have had no
problems whatsoever compatibility-wise. The K6's seemed to lack in FPU
strength, from what I remember reading; if you're not doing a lot of
Linux financial applications, then the K6 is the cheaper, easier way to
go.
I use the K6 with a variety of boards, from ASUS to FIC. The FIC
VA-503+ is a favorite of mine, because it supports seperate RAM and CPU
bus speeds, and is somewhat overclockable (www.tomshardware.com).
-- Bryan Scott
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From: Douglas Kern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: X-Server
Date: 3 Jun 1999 20:31:14 GMT
Dr. Markus Pflaum wrote:
> Subject: X-Server Konfiguration
> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 23:50:18 +0200
> From: Moritz Schottenloher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> ich habe ein Highscreen Advanced III (von Vobis) der mit der
> GrafikarteATI 3D Rage LT Pro (auch ATI 3D LT Charger genannt) laeuft.
> Ich kann nicht, egal mit welchem server, das X-Window installieren. Wer
> hat aehnliche Probleme geahbt und kann mir helfen,
>
> i have a notebook, Highscreen Advanced III (company: VObis) which runs
> with the grafikcard ATI 3D Rage LT Pro, which is also named ATI 3D Rage
> LT Charger.
> I cannot install the X-server with this grafikcard. Who can help me,
>
> Moritz Schottenloher
> please send message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Hello,
Which X-server did you try to install for the card? If you are using an
ATI card, try the mach64 or mach128 server. Using the XF86 config program,
you should be able to select the card to use, and the server to use. The
mach64 or 128 should work. If the card is not specifically listed, try
using the simple VGA server. If some of the settings for the card (memory
size, etc.) are in question select probe for that option.
I have installed an ATI Xpert98 into a system running linux/XF86, used the
mach64 server and works great.
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Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 14:07:12 -0600
From: Bryan Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ATI Rage 128
Sascha Andres wrote:
>
> L�uft die ATI Rage 128 mit hoher Aufl�sung unter X?
>
> Welchen Server mu� ich verwenden?
>
> Bei meiner Distrib ist kein Server f�r diesen Chipsatz dabei.
> Gibt es einen, und wo kann ich ihn downloaden?
>
> Danke
> Sascha
Have you tried the Mach64 Server?
Haben Sie das Mach64 Server probiert?
(Will that work?)
-- Bryan Scott
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From: Greg Yantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: 2.2.5-15 kernel eats memory!
Date: 03 Jun 1999 17:50:21 -0400
Joe Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I don't get this.. I'm running RedHat 6.0 with a minimum of services.. and
> after a reboot, my free memory is only about 24MB(out of 64). A few hours
> later, I have about 1.7MB free, and my swap starts to become active..
It's supposed to work like that. "Free" memory is unused (and thus
useless) memory. Your RAM is being used for things like filesystem
cache.
> I do not have many users, nor memory-eating apps.. it all seems to go into
> "cached" memory.. Now cache is nice, but I don't want all my available
> memory allocated to it!
It's OK. There is a certain amount of memory that is still "free", in
case one of your applications suddenly needs more memory, or you start
another app.
> And I want to avoid swap usage... can anyone help??
>
> Here is output of "free" command:
> total used free shared buffers cached
> Mem: 62860 60688 2172 36268 1668 42632
> -/+ buffers/cache: 16388 46472
> Swap: 24060 1068 22992
>
> Thanks a bunch..
> Joe
-Greg
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From: han <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HELP: Network Backup
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 23:12:47 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Yeah, I have the similar situation now and am evaluating some solutions
> now. The solution that I'm looking at right now is to setup Samba on
> both Linux box and mount the Windows 98 partiton via network and then
> create a cron job so that every midnight these two Linux box would
> create a image (sort of like Norton Ghost or something, or simply using
> tar, but not sure how to do this YET)
this doesnot give you an Image, but -of course - you can use tar for
backing up your linux on the sambaparts: something like: "tar cvf
/home/smb/linux.tgz /etc /usr/local /home" ....
will create a tar-file [from all files in /etc /usr/local /home] that
you can write to cd in win98.
if you made the /home/smb dir accessable from win98
and then dump this image to the
> Win98 partition. While on the Win98 side it will have another cron job
> (using scheduler) that would burn the linux image onto the CDRW.
> I think this is doable, but not sure how complicated the setting would
> be (I'm kinda new to Linux) and I don't have the details YET.. But if
> this could be done, then you are talking about a US$160 Mitsumi CDRW
> drive plus a CDRW media for 2 bucks, very cheap solution!!! WOW!
yeah, using rw-media is verryy cheap, but sometimes there are lots of
hardware-like-errors with cd-writers
> (nah, who need the noisy tape backup??)
> Anyone here every done this before? could you please share with us for
> the details??
did you think about "the other way", linux doing the cdwriting ?
this make only sense if you work on the samba-shares [seems a good idea]
or use nfs to give linux access to the win98,
maybe better/easyer to use smbclient and let win98 share the files you
want to backup
the imo advantage is that linux is much better in writing cd's
unattended.
>
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From: ren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,alt.os.linux
Subject: bash-2.03? was: Re: TNT2 Drivers, Diamond Viper 770
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 19:28:59 GMT
Could this also be the reason why the 'configure' command is not
recognized by bash? I'm having serious problems installing anything, not
just riva_install.
> I got that, too. My problem was that I only had bash-2.03 installed,
> and /bin/sh was a link to it. The riva_install script appears to only
> work with bash-1.x, so I downloaded and installed the RPM for that.
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From: Kevin Theobald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Anyone know about Element-L?
Date: 03 Jun 1999 17:25:23 -0400
A company called Element-L sells low-cost preconfigured linux boxes.
Can anyone tell me if they've have good or bad experiences with them?
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From: R G ELLIOTT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: USR Sportster dropping line
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 22:33:56 +0100
I have been given a USR Sportster Voice 33.6 external which I have been
trying to use with minicom.
Whatever I try to do it drops the line during handshaking with my ISP. I
have tried a lot of different At commands but no use. The line is OK as
I am using a Lucent Winmodem with '98 to send this. (I also tried the
USR from Windows but it does the same).
I have tried USR and they are willing to help but only if I send a load
of technical details which I would rather avoid if someone here knows
the answer.
Any idea's?
Many thanks
--
R G ELLIOTT
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From: Steve Feil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PCI bus interchangeable on X86/PPC systems?
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 11:38:47 +0000
I'm currently using an Intel system with a PCI bus. I also have a
PowerPC system with a PCI bus, I was thinking about putting Linux on.
I was wondering if the same PCI hardware will work on both computers.
I was thinking that the answer may depend on just how connected (or
divided) the efforts of Linux x86 and Linux PPC are. Are kernel
modules for PCI hardware generally interchangeable (when compiled on
the appropriate system), or do modules for x86 need to be re-written
to run on PPC systems?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce R Miller)
Subject: Re: ATI All-in-Wonder PRO: Video support?
Date: 3 Jun 1999 21:09:23 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Bryan Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Joseph Prisco wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone released a driver that supports the TV tuner in the ATI
>> All-in-Wonder PRO? I have the AGP version and would like to view TV
>> in X. I'm running Debian 2.1.
Check out
http://www.core.binghamton.edu/~insomnia/gatos/
It works well in RH5.2
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From: Luis Alvarez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Win98 and Linux = win98 problems...
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:41:05 +0200
Hello,
I saw on your mail that you have experienced with Win. You are the right
person I am looking for. I hope ot to disturb you though...
I have a laptop...
Since I have partitioned my HD into two 2GB. One for Win98 and one for
SuSE Linux 6.1 Both partitions are in the C: drive.
Since I have done this, my Win98 has given me a few problems, which I
can't really solve...
One of them is that it will not go stand by anymore. As soon as I press
the key combination to send it stand by is says:
"Your computer cannot go stand by because a device driver or program won't
allow it."
This is curious because no program is running and I don;t see what other
thing could be bothering it...
The second problem is that the overall system is slower in Win98. When I
enter the System properties window, and choose Device Manager, I see that
my Primary IDE controller and my Secondary IDE controller have a problem,
whereas my Standard Dual PCI IDE Controller works perfectly.
I then look at performace and have three strange message:
Compatibility mode reduces over all performance
Drive C using MS-DOS compatibility mode file system
Drive D using MS-DOS compatibility mode file system
My drive D is the CDROM drive...
What can I do to fix this. I have no clue on how to get it working. Should
I remove all the hard disk drivers? Or should I do something else?
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From: Larry Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
hp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Xircom CEM56 Ethernet/Modem and 2.2.5 ?
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 15:42:52 -0600
I have the same card in my DEC HiNote Ultra 2000. I know that it did
work with Red Hat 5.2, bu I haven't tried to use both the network and
the modem at the same time since upgrading to 6.0.
I'll try it and post my results.
Larry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: tyan tsunami?
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 17:12:13 GMT
Yep, I am using it. Good board, the only gripe I
have is some trouble getting the USB connnectors
to work, but I bet that's me not the board.
Oh, another unusual trait, you need an 8 slot case
for this motherboard. For more reviews go to
www.sysopt.com and click on user reviews.
Magius
In article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Gerald Willmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> anyone out there using a tyan tsunami 1830 AT
mobo? Any opinions about
> Tyan in general? So far I have happily used Asus
but the P2B-B doesn't
> seem to fit in my AT desktop case (which I need
to keep so my wife won't
> think it's a new computer :)
> thanks,
Gerald
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Compaq S3ViRGE?
Date: 03 Jun 1999 07:09:15 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Shi5699992) writes:
> does anyone know if I can install linux on a compaq box w/ a S3ViRGE card? I
> would appreciate any info or advice... Thankx...
Yes. Of course, it depends on how old your compaq box is, and whether you
want X Windows or not, which you probably do.
Jimmy
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From: Fabrice Vergnenegre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Compaq S3ViRGE?
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 13:58:08 +0200
Frode Bjerke wrote:
> veeery good question indeed
> i have RedHat 6.0 installed on my Compaq Deskpro 4000, and when i try to
> setup the X-server it garbles the screen output at at certain point in the
> setup procedure, and to restore good screen output a reboot is necessary
>
> SO; pleeeease, tips & hints would be appreciated
I had the same problem when installing RH 6.0, but i did not follow
the xf86config advices : Using Xfree 3.3.3.x, the Virge cards are
better supported (and it seems to work better) with SVGA server.
So follow all the advices of xf86config, which means :
* choose your card from the list,
* choose the SVGA server (usually the server recommended),
* do nor specify RAMDAC type nor clock settings nor probing.
Someone told me it was easier to configure your X-Server from XF86Setup,
i did not try it.
Hope it will help you.
Best regards,
Fabrice Vergnenegre.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,misc.forsale.computers.workstation
Subject: Re: FS: Sun SPARCServer 4/670MP (some 470 boards included) ; $500 US
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 02:00:11 GMT
A better place to ask/sell this might be the SunRescue Mailing list
maintained by Mr.Bill at sunhelp.org. We're always looking for old Sun
hardware, and talking about how to use them. See either
http://rescue.sunhelp.org/ or
http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue/
Greg
In article <t7Q43.2288$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Kent Rankin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The system is located in Knoxville, TN, 37922-3449.
>
> The 670MP has two SM-100(50MHz) MBUS modules in it at this time,
32MB
> RAM, a cg6 accelerated framebuffer, CDROM Drive, ~1GB of Storage, a
QIC-150
> tape drive, a FDDI(dual) card, and some other toys. =)
>
> The 470 cards that are included are (6) 32MB RAM Cards(192MB of
RAM), 3
> SCSI interfaces, the CPU board, some data-acquisition board(that I
know
> *NOTHING* about<drat>), and some framebuffer(I forget which model).
>
> Anyhow, it's a really neat system, and can be beefed up with four
> SuperSPARC processors just like a SPARCStation 20. Solaris 2.3 is
installed
> on it at the moment.
>
> -
>
> Do send any questions that you might have.
>
> -Kent Rankin
>
>
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From: "David S. Stephenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Longshine vs. 3Com
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 14:26:47 +0200
Has anyone had experience with Longshine cards? They are very
cheap compared to 3Com. Are they SO much worse in performance?
David
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