Linux-Hardware Digest #412, Volume #10 Fri, 4 Jun 99 19:13:32 EDT
Contents:
Re: Xfree86 and KDE (Chris Lee)
Re: how's this for a cheap webserver? (Bryan Scott)
Re: SB 64 PnP PCI (Spiros Ioannou)
Re: TEKRAM 310 (Michael Meissner)
Re: There is an updated version of SCSI Howto? (Mircea)
Re: wintv - bttv (Tom Poe)
Re: Problem with Iomega ZIP. (Roger Atkinson)
Re: SoundBlaster 16/PCI (Matthew Pound)
Re: MCA and Linux ?!? (Matthew Pound)
Re: "Kernel size too large" (Michael Meissner)
Tyan S1837UANG Mother Board ("LeRoy D. Cressy")
Re: Dual Celeron's and SMP Performance Problems (CB)
Re: bzImage vs modules. (Swietanowski Artur)
Re: AZT3000,AZT2320 sound pnp (Ning Ma)
Re: Is the 3c509 really that much better than ne2000 clone? ("Tony Platt")
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From: Chris Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Xfree86 and KDE
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 14:30:40 -0700
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Raul wrote:
> Dear Sir/Madam,
> Greetings, I am a rookie user to Linux. I had recently installed RH5.2 in my
> computer.
> I know that there are some configurations had to be set in order to make the
> hardwares support the Xwindow and the name of it is Xfree86. But my problem
> is I don't know what to do to make it work with my computer and how to set
> them up.
> ALso, I have another problem is that I don't know how install the KDE in
> Linux, can anyone give me an advice pls?
> Looking forwward to replys! Thx for help.
How did your setup go? Did the Xconfigurator utility run correctly? If you want
to set up XFree86, run the command (as root)
root@localhost /root# Xconfigurator
and it will ask you a few questions about what kind of video card you have,
what type of monitor you have, and also what resolutions you want to run in. If
you'd like some more help with your setup, then we (in the newsgroups) will
need some more information- what kind of video card do you have? How much video
RAM? How good is your monitor? Once you can tell us this, we will be able to
help you out much more. As for KDE, don't install it until you have a perfectly
working X-Windows environment. I can help you out with that if you can tell me
which version of RedHat 5.2 you bought (there are several versions, from
RedHat, from Macmillan Publishing, from online websites... Did you get the
Official RedHat 5.2 in the blue box?) Thanks, and I'll be waiting for your
reply so I can help.
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Raul wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Dear Sir/Madam,
<br>Greetings, I am a rookie user to Linux. I had recently installed RH5.2
in my
<br>computer.
<br>I know that there are some configurations had to be set in order to
make the
<br>hardwares support the Xwindow and the name of it is Xfree86. But my
problem
<br>is I don't know what to do to make it work with my computer and how
to set
<br>them up.
<br>ALso, I have another problem is that I don't know how install the KDE
in
<br>Linux, can anyone give me an advice pls?
<br>Looking forwward to replys! Thx for help.</blockquote>
How did your setup go? Did the Xconfigurator utility run correctly? If
you want to set up XFree86, run the command (as root)
<br><u>root@localhost /root#</u> Xconfigurator
<br>and it will ask you a few questions about what kind of video card you
have, what type of monitor you have, and also what resolutions you want
to run in. If you'd like some more help with your setup, then we (in the
newsgroups) will need some more information- what kind of video card do
you have? How much video RAM? How good is your monitor? Once you can tell
us this, we will be able to help you out much more. As for KDE, don't install
it until you have a perfectly working X-Windows environment. I can help
you out with that if you can tell me which version of RedHat 5.2 you bought
(there are several versions, from RedHat, from Macmillan Publishing, from
online websites... Did you get the Official RedHat 5.2 in the blue box?)
Thanks, and I'll be waiting for your reply so I can help.</html>
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Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 13:38:08 -0600
From: Bryan Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how's this for a cheap webserver?
Lyn A Headley wrote:
>
> hi,
>
> I'm putting together an experimental webserver on a shoestring
> budget. I just want to be sure it will work with linux (and solaris
> for intel, if anyone has comments about that). This is my first time
> building a machine from components, so I'm probably remarkably
> clueless about some things. I have indicated my insecurities beneath
> each component. I'd be much obliged if folks would comment on any and
> all aspects of this system.
>
> thanks,
> -Lyn Headley
>
> vendor -- http://www.axiontech.com
>
> motherboard: $95
> ASUS:P5A ALI 512K 100MHZ 5PCI 2ISA 3DIMM AGP ATX
> -- ALI chipset OK?
> -- will it take a celeron?
>
> memory: $145
> HYUNDAI:128MB SDRAM HIGH DENSITY 16 CHIPS UNBUFFER
>
> hard drive: ($140)
> FUJITSU:MPA3084AT 8.4GB 10MS UDMA 128KB
> -- do I need a controller?
>
> cpu ($50)
> INTEL:CELERON-300A MMX 128KB CACHE ON DIE OEM
>
> fan/heat sink ($15)
> COOLER MASTER:CELERON-FAN BALL BEARING FAN & HEAT SINK
> -- does it matter what I get?
>
> case ($37)
> IMAGE:ATX MEDIUM TOWER 3-5.25" 2-3.5" 250 WATTS 1 HIDDEN 3.5" UL
> LISTED ATX 2.01 COMPLIANT
> -- will everything fit in here?
>
> ethernet card ($45)
> INTEL:PRO100 100MBPS ETHER EXPRESS PRO 100+ PCI
>
> CD-ROM ($40)
> SAMSUNG:SCR-3232 32X IDE INTERNAL CD-ROM 80MS 128K
>
> keyboard ($15)
> KEYTRONIC:REGPS2 WIN 95 KEYBOARD W/ PS/2 CONNECTOR SOFT TOUCH
>
> not getting a monitor
>
> total cost: $582
I'm a fan of the VIA Apollo chipset (FIC's VA503+ motherboard) myself.
We have two at home, both running K6-2's (350 and 450). I've had less
problems with linux on the SCSI-based box, and both machines scream.
That board's cheaper, if you're going Socket 7.
Netgear's 10/100 card is on sale at BUY.COM for $11.95. I've used it in
my network server (K6-200MMX, 64MB RAM, 20GB IDE and 9GB SCSI, ASUS mb)
for the past two years, using the tulip driver.
If you're not worried about tons of number-crunching, a K6-2 will work
great. You can do cheaper than what you've listed; you might not get
the quality and name-brand braggability you get with PII's and ASUS, but
your pocket will thank you for it. I run two all-AMD shops (home and
work); the difference in costs between the K6's and the Pentiums has
saved me about $1500, when everything's added up.
Now, my former boss runs a Dual PII 266 on an ASUS board with 256MB RAM,
UW SCSI and UDMA drives, serving as the
database/X/apache/file/everything else server for 5 other machines, and
it cooks as well. But you're doing a cheap, experimental server...
-- Bryan Scott
-- CTR Online Systems Administration
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From: Spiros Ioannou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SB 64 PnP PCI
Date: 4 Jun 1999 21:08:22 GMT
I have a SB64V PCI, and kernel 2.2.9. The card had a sticker saying:
model: 1371 so I chose this driver, I recompiled the kernel, and everething
worked perfectly..
Spiros
Kvdveer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Help...
: I bought a nice computer (win98 preinstaled...) with a SB 64 PnP. I
: installed SuSE Linux on it, but I'd like to use sound. It doesn't work, in
: the manual my card isn't listed, so I don't have the faintest Idea how to
: handle this problem.
: probebly I will have to download a driver somewhere....
: I am completely unexperienced with Linux so please don't assume beasic
: knowledge...
: thanx
: Koert van der veer
: (delete the obvous to mail me at home...)
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Subject: Re: TEKRAM 310
From: Michael Meissner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 04 Jun 1999 17:34:51 -0400
celeborn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi,
> anybody knows if the Tekram DC-310 SCSI Host adapter is supported on
> Linux.
> In my kernel (the last before the 2.0), I have only the Tekram DC-390.
> Does the driver work with this card too ?
> Thanks to answer
> Thierry Le Qu�au, France
If memory serves, a DC-310 is based on the good old NCR53C810. Use the
NCR53C8XX driver (note the newer SYM53C8XX driver won't work on this chip).
The NCR53C7,8XX driver may work for you as well (it stopped working for me
about 2 years ago when I had a NCR53C810 controller, and I went to the
NCR53C8XX driver).
--
Michael Meissner, Cygnus Solutions
PMB 198, 174 Littleton Road #3, Westford, Massachusetts 01886
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 978-486-9304 fax: 978-692-4482
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From: Mircea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: There is an updated version of SCSI Howto?
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 08:42:26 -0400
The Scsi-HOWTO is unmaintained, i.e. there's no newer version, and none
is planned.
MST
Simone Piccardi wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I was looking for info about SCSI, but I can only find a SCSI
> Programming Howto in the LDP site. I find a very old version of SCSI
> Howto. There is somewhere an updated version?
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Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 18:03:16 -0400
From: Tom Poe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: wintv - bttv
Robert Young wrote:
> From your posting, it looks like you don't have the Motif library installed.
>
> Currently, Motif library is not a free package. If you bought RedHat 6.0
> with
> Motif 2.1, then go ahead and install the Motif library. Otherwise, goto
> http://www.lesstif.org or ftp.hungry.com. Download the lesstif, a 1.2 Motif
> clone, and install it on your harddrive.
>
> I am very interested to know if you have managed to get the bttv software to
> run on your system. Let me know if this solves your problem.
>
> >===== Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] =====
> >Poltsi,
> > I'm hoping you can help.
> >I recently bought a Hauppauge with bt878,
> >rebuilt the kernel, installed bttv.
> >Everything looks good, except that one of
> >the last steps in the manual says to cd to
> >the apps/XTV dir and do a 'make' to build the
> >apps. However, I'm getting this error...
> >and being rather new to Linux, not sure
> >where to look for the answer.
> >
> >-------------
> >c++ -O2 -fno-strength-reduce
> >-I/usr/X11R6/include -Dlinux -D__i386__
> >-D_POSIX_C_SOURCE=199309L -D_POSIX_SOURCE
> >-D_XOPEN_SOURCE=500L -D_BSD_SOURCE
> >-D_SVID_SOURCE -c xtvscreen.cc -o
> >xtvscreen.o
> >In file included from xtvscreen.cc:21:
> >xtvscreen.h:33: Xm/Xm.h: No such file or directory
> >xtvscreen.h:34: Xm/List.h: No such file or
> >directory
> >xtvscreen.h:35: Xm/TextF.h: No such file or
> >directory
> >xtvscreen.h:36: Xm/RowColumn.h: No such file or
> >directory
> >xtvscreen.h:37: Xm/MainW.h: No such file or
> >directory
> >xtvscreen.h:40: Xm/Frame.h: No such file or
> >directory
> >....
> >xtvscreen.h:41: Xm/PushB.h: No such file or In
> >file included from xtvscreen.cc:24:
> >callbacks.h:25: Xm/Xm.h: No such file or directory
> >In file included from allwidgets.h:28,
> > from xtvscreen.cc:25:
> >globals.h:28: Xm/Xm.h: No such file or directory
> >In file included from xtvscreen.cc:28:
> >snap.h:38: Xm/Xm.h: No such file or directory
> >make: *** [xtvscreen.o] Error 1
> >
> >------------------------------------
> >
> >I'm not sure what package this Xm directory
> >is included in. I am using Red Hat 6.0
> >and have installed every package that looks
> >like it might come close, and many more
> >that have turned out to not help.
> >
> >thanks in advance!
> >
> >David
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>
> >
> >> Basically I did it followingly (with
> >2.2.7-kernel and bttv-0.6.4,
> >> Hauppauge WinTV PCI w/o radio bt878):
> >
> >
> >--== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==--
> >---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.---
>
> --
> Robert Young,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A possibly better solution is to get xawtv. *tif not needed. Search
freshmeat.
Tom
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From: Roger Atkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
linux,linux.redhat,linux.redhat.misc,flashnet.it.hobby.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Problem with Iomega ZIP.
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 13:39:24 -0700
It doesn't matter if it's SCSI or PPA as far as the mount is concerned.
SCSI and PPA are just the transports used to get commands and data to /
from the Zip drive. What matters is the way the disks are formatted.
If the Zip disk is a stock PC format it will always be /dev/sdX4 (where
the "X" denotes the first, second, third, etc. SCSI device) and
filesystem type vfat.
I have a SCSI Zip at home and it is mounted as /dev/sdb4.
I have a PPA Zip at work and it is mounted as /dev/sdc4.
Of course the partition number and type file system could be changed if
you formatted the Zip as an ext2 filesystem.
One way you can tell what device to use to mount is check dmesg or
/var/log/messages. If you have the PPA drivers built in to your kernel
and a Zip disk in place when you boot there will be a report and it will
tell you what device the Zip disk was found on.
Hope this helps, Roger Atkinson Unix Sys Admin
James Gray wrote:
>
> I just kept trying the mount command from /dev/sda0 through to /dev/sda6.
> Turned out that my Zip100 SCSI connected to my Ultra SCSI adapter was
> /dev/sda4. So the final mount command was:
>
> mount -t vfat /dev/sda4 /mnt/zip
>
> Good Luck (BTW I don't have a clue about ppa Zip drives)
>
> James
>
> Tim Kubista wrote:
> > How do i figure out which scsi device to mount? could someone give me an
> > example mount command so i can see what it should look like
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Pound)
Subject: Re: SoundBlaster 16/PCI
Date: 4 Jun 1999 21:34:54 GMT
David Boosalis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: I just installed Redhat 6.0,. It apears that it does not support the
: SoundBlaster 16/PCI
: Does anybody know otherwise.
This card doesn't exist. The lowest pci card is the 64pci. Sorry.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Pound)
Subject: Re: MCA and Linux ?!?
Date: 4 Jun 1999 21:37:37 GMT
Well i tried to install linux un my ps/2 model 70 but i couldn't
get the bootdisk to work. 5.2 hangs on the pci_init and 6.0 seems to
hang after vga goes to 80X25 mode. Which it is already in, heh. Any
thoughts on how to do this?
Bryan Scott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: >
: > I have heard that it is now possible to run Linux on a PS/2 with micro
: > channel architecture. Has anyone ever attempted this installation? This
: > machine of mine comes without (!) CD-ROM, has 8MB of RAM and has a
: > 212MB SCSI HDD. I welcome any ideas, recommendation, sites, etc.
: >
: > Thanks,
: > Marcus
: >
: > --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==--
: > ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.---
: Anyone done anything with the MCA AT1700 network cards? Linux can't
: seem to find it, no matter which slot it's in.
: I'd like to set up the box for NFS/root, as it's too small and slow for
: anything else (6MB RAM, 60MB HDD, 386).
: -- Bryan Scott
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,aus.computers.linux
Subject: Re: "Kernel size too large"
From: Michael Meissner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 04 Jun 1999 15:37:49 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.hardware didst Craig Sharpe
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> eloquently scribe:
> : Or does anyone know were to find xconfig lists that display the drivers
> : installed and produce a working kernel?
>
> Instead of make zimage, you should use make bzimage.
> It allows the kernel to be larger that 1/2 a meg, otherwise, LILO will
> complain and refuse to boot from it...
Note, on my Toshiba Tecra 8000, I find I can't boot bzImage binaries, but I can
build zImage binaries. So I have to move more things to modules.
--
Michael Meissner, Cygnus Solutions
PMB 198, 174 Littleton Road #3, Westford, Massachusetts 01886
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 978-486-9304 fax: 978-692-4482
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From: "LeRoy D. Cressy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Tyan S1837UANG Mother Board
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 18:24:29 -0400
Hi All,
Has anyone had any experience with Tyan S1837UANG Mother Boards?
Dual 233-500+MHz (Slot1 for Pentium
II/III), 1 ISA, 6 PCI, 1 AGP, 4-168
pin DIMM sockets (up to 2GB),
Ultra DMA/33, on-board Dual
Channel Ultra2 SCSI, 10/100
Ethernet, on-board sound (ES1373),
Intel=AE 440GX AGPset, AMI, ATX
This looks like a good board, but I am wondering if any of you have used
this board for a Linux only system.
Thanks
-- =
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" Home Page: http://www.netaxs.com/~ldc/
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Computer Consulting ( o.o ) Phone (215) 535-4037
> ^ < Fax (215) 535-4285
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Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 18:53:15 -0700
From: CB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.comp.hardware.overclocking,csu.unix.linux
Subject: Re: Dual Celeron's and SMP Performance Problems
Chris Mauritz wrote:
>
><food fight removed>
>
> The bottom line from my limited experience with dual celerons and
> substantial experience with dual PPro's and PII/III's is that:
>
> * The likely outcome is an increase in performance.
> * The degree of performance increase is application dependent.
> * Given "ideal" conditions, it's possible to get a degradation
> in performance if the application needs the additional L2 cache.
> * Given those same "ideal" conditions, it may also be a problem
> to use bona fide PII/PIII's.
>
> I'm not sure why some folks are getting all worked up over this.
Well..
Intel has actively promoted the notion that Celerons are a cheap,
inferior product, not worthy of consideration for those doing "real"
computing. Smp capability was hidden, and then when discovered, was
denounced, and practicers threatened with loss of warranty - even when
the capability is enabled by a jumper on an adapter (no
drilling/soldering - just throw a switch). Now that the word is out
that one can purchase off-the shelf products, plug them in, and enable
this capability, and online reviews have appeared of dual Celeron
systems, there have been articles posted suggesting that the small cache
so cripples these processors that even though you can enable this
feature, why would any serious person want to - just go out and buy a
few Xeons with a couple MBs of cache if you want to do "real" computing.
I feel this is misleading. While lack of the large cache may be
(probably/surely is) a hindrance in some situations, I suspect that
these situations are less common than Intel would have the general
public believe. And then again, I could be all wet and have mud in my
eye.
I see a multi-tasking advantage. I see Celerons as an economical
alternative to some higher cost solutions. I think it is more useful to
post specific information about the observed practical limitations of a
particular setup, or practical methods to improve performance with given
hardware than to post a long theoretical diatribe about the terrible
hazards of Celeron smp. Determining the practical limits would add
knowledge.
CB
>
> C
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From: Swietanowski Artur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: bzImage vs modules.
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 15:26:55 +0200
Tomas Barros wrote:
>I would like to know what is better, use the bzImage or more modules,
> and why ?
It is still *possible* to produce a working kernel w/o using mudules,
but for all practical purposes bzImage is just not good enough.
I have a kernel configured w/o any entertainment equipment support,
(i.e., no sound card, joystick etc.), no obsolete devices, no IrDA,
no fancy filesystems, etc. All in all, a pretty minimalistic setup.
Still if I tried to compile support for some of the devices that
I actually have, codepages I use etc. directly into the kernel, it
grew too large even for bzImage.
The bottom line: I use modules for everything, except the boot HDD
filesystem and ELF executables, and I still need bzImage.
I am not aware of any serious reasons not to use modules. Maybe
someone would like to point those out.
Regards,
=====================================================================
Artur Swietanowski mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Institut f�r Statistik, Operations Research und Computerverfahren,
Universit�t Wien, Universit�tsstr. 5, A-1010 Wien, Austria
tel. +43 (1) 427 738 620 fax +43 (1) 427 738 629
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From: Ning Ma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: AZT3000,AZT2320 sound pnp
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 16:51:21 -0500
Chirok Han wrote:
> I have azt3000 (azt2320 compatible) pnp sound card.
> I set PnP to be initialized by the bios, so my linux
> (Slackware 4.0, kernel 2.2.6) detects the card.
> Currently, the sound card works at SB Pro compatible mode.
>
> But it works only at 8 bit mode. I'm sure that it's
> a 16 bit card from the experience with MS windows 98.
>
> Does anybody know how to make it work?
> Thank you.
> --
I have the same pnp sound card and I couldn't even get the 8bit mode.
Could you tell me how to configurate this card? (I am using RedHat 6.0
kernel 2.2.5.)
Thanks.
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From: "Tony Platt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is the 3c509 really that much better than ne2000 clone?
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 23:51:57 +1000
Yes there REALLY is a big difference between good hardware and cheap
hardware.
Try the same thing with 2 x (in my case) Compaq 10/100 Tlan cards (running
at 10).
First after using ne2000 type cards, I then got some 3Com's
The ne2000 ended up in the bin.
Now I have these Compaq cards, guess where the 3Coms are going <grin>
Tony
Alex Yung wrote in message <7j6aie$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I have 2 machines crossed connected with 3c509 and no name ne2000
>clone. I used to have them connected by 2 3c509. ftp between each
>other can achieve the throughput about 520kbyte/s. I only get
>320kbyte/s between them now. There are very few options on the ne2000
>clone in terms of setup. I can only choose irq, io addr and duplex
>mode. Currently, it is running at full duplex. Would changing irq or
>io addr improve performance?
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