Linux-Hardware Digest #647, Volume #10 Fri, 2 Jul 99 08:13:35 EDT
Contents:
Sound Card Setup? ("Kachi Armony")
Re: Windows easy to install? BULLSHIT! (JLKirkham)
Re: Voodoo3 3000 and XFree86 (Carsten Engel)
Re: AMD K6 3D+ BUG??? ("Lars Bindergrowle")
Re: courier v.everything NON WIN MODEM ("Tom")
the linux store machines ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Dell Inspiron compatibility? What is best laptop? (Philipp Maier)
Re: a quality 3 button mouse ("Gene Heskett")
please reccommend a PCI sound card.... ("Muuga")
printer problems (justin)
Re: SCSI Bus Timeout / Systems locks up (Warwick Ward-Cox)
S3 TRIO 3D ("Dr D. Galanakis")
Re: UDMA-4, U/66 performance (KALLE)
Re: Secondary HDD on Tecra 730CDT (Giuseppe Catastini)
Mitsumi CD-ROM (Paul Spencer)
Install Token Ring Card IBM ISA Auto 16/4 (Eric Tanhehco Chua)
Re: Where is MAKE ??? (Christopher Mahmood)
Re: Where is MAKE ??? (Greg H)
ad1816
Best Data 56sps
Best Data Modem
Re: [Q:] Format Jaz on Sun, read on Linux ("Kent Nilsen")
Re: Best Data Modem ("Tony Platt")
Newbie sound prob ("n")
Re: Best Data Modem ("Tony Platt")
PCMCIA Ethernet networking problem (Mike Carden)
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From: "Kachi Armony" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Sound Card Setup?
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 02:19:02 -0300
Does anyone know how to get an ES1938 PCI AudioDrive Sound Card to work
under Linux (Mandrake 6.0)?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JLKirkham)
Subject: Re: Windows easy to install? BULLSHIT!
Date: 02 Jul 1999 06:12:47 GMT
If you'll pardon me jumping into the fray here with my $0.02... (and maybe
ranting a bit)...
I was 14 when Tandy sent out the TRS-80 and my dad picked one up (he still has
it) and we all played with DOS... got fairly good at it - not programmers by
any means, but we could find our a** from a hole in the ground, if you know
what I mean. Anyway, when Windows came along, we went right along with it. As
proficient as we were with DOS, windows was (is) a no-brainer, but it was fun
(something new, something different).
And then I heard about this thing called Linux, and I was intrigued. Why?
Because I LIKE to tweak. And my husband likes to tinker. Can we do that with
Windows? Yeah, right.
Anyway, I've found this entire thread to be fascinating, and just wanted to add
a couple of tidbits here and there...
I've had Win3.x, Win95 and Win98 lock up during install. Of all the versions,
Win3.x was the most stable. I can't count how many times I've had to reinstall
Win95 and Win98... Win95 was especially good at rewriting my registry files and
then refusing to look at them. Win95 didn't like me playing with their
screensavers, either - choked every time.
When I started my Linux install, that "mounting" and "hda1" and partitioning
gave me pause. RTFM, you say, and I did - that didn't seem to ease the willies
I had when SuSE said it wanted to mount my drive (I was thinking, now I KNOW
this was written by a man!).
And about those manuals... well, if you want to RTFM for a Win install, you're
going to be sadly disappointed. Documentation you say? Well, it teaches you
how to click a mouse... how to open a window and close a window... how to turn
on a screensaver and wallpaper... tells you how great the internet is (and how
seamless Win98 and IE are with it)... then they get to Advanced Issues like
using Help, backing up your files, defragging your disk, finding your printer
("there it is, right beside the box") ad nauseum. If you wanted answers, you
wouldn't find them here. And on the back page in big letters: For product
support, contact the manufacturer of your computer system. Yeah, well, that
would be me. Good thing I didn't have anything bleeding edge or painfully
obsolete.
Well, now I've got Linux running but not quite "there" yet - still working out
a few issues, but it's FUN. My husband the tinkerer (who knows next to nothing
about software of any kind) is loving it. I, the tweaker, am loving it. So
what if my sound card doesn't work? Never mind that I just found out that all
the work I've done to get the modem going has been in vain (Rockwell HCF).
And, okay, I was sucked in by the big sale on scanners and finally broke down
and bought one... yes, it's a parallel port (duh, I didn't even think about it)
thank goodness I didn't sink a lot of money into it. And we won't even talk
about the confusion still residing in my brain about this file structure and
the commands, etc., etc.
The thing is, one day (hopefully not too long from now) I will be able to look
at my kid and say: See, I told you the patience would pay off. And into the
bargain she's gonna become a pretty decent computer mechanic, if nothing else.
The stuff she's learned in two weeks with Dad tinkering with boxes and Mom
tweaking Linux puts to shame the entire year she spent in "computer" class - at
a private school, no less - where she learned how to turn the thing on, type,
print, and turn it off.
And even she noticed - although we have managed to crash KDE a couple of times,
it's not as bad as when my son crashes Win98 with his Reader Rabbit (which
seems to be a daily thing), and always much easier to restart X than to reboot
Win98 (with fingers crossed and breath held because hey, Mom still has to have
Win98 for work).
</rant>
Jana
Wherever you go, there you are.
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From: Carsten Engel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Voodoo3 3000 and XFree86
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 07:55:15 +0200
", ," wrote:
> Does anyone know how to get the Voodoo3 3000 working with Linux? Its not
> supported yet and was wondering if someone had a XConfig file that I could
> use that would work for this card.
Hello,
a 3dfx Banshee / Voodoo 3 mini-HOWTO has just been startet.
It includes a step by step instruction to set up 2D and 3D with the new
Voodoos.
It was written for SuSE LINUX but can easily be adapted to other
distributions.
Look at http://www.cpx-ssc.de/~y0d0004/docs/vbv3-suse-mini-howto/
If you can not set it up this way you can also set it up as a framebuffer
device. But this will not be accelerated...
Hope this helps.
Best regards,
Carsten Engel
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From: "Lars Bindergrowle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: AMD K6 3D+ BUG???
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 03:35:13 -0700
> Also, for what it's worth, there have been stability problems when using
> the 450 on the ASUS P5A motherboard.
>
> Mike.
What kind of problems?
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From: "Tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: courier v.everything NON WIN MODEM
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 01:14:05 -0500
Hey, I have been messing with this for a while but if I cannot get my
hardware working in a week time spending about 2 to 3 hours a day reading
and fiddling with things with something that is supposed to work just fine
really bothers me. Yes I do not know a whole lot but I didn't assign the
modem that IRQ, nor did my BIOS as far as I can tell, anyway this is the
ONLY response I have ever gotten besides "hmmm I don't know" .....Thanks
Mike Frisch wrote in message ...
>On Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:21:31 -0500, Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>problems, (hyperteminal works fine). Why does every time I start Minicom
>>that the INIT string is displayed very, very slowly? It takes about 30
>
>You have to tell Linux that the modem is using a non-standard IRQ. 'man
>setserial'. Once configured properly (add a 'setserial' line to your
>rc.local), your problems will disappear.
>
>>I did) I bet no one on these news groups can give a decent answer because
>>no one has for a year.... good luck..
>
>Thanks for the vote of confidence. Had you asked and I saw your question,
>I would've answered. It's not rocket science for anybody that knows their
>way around a PC (running Linux or not).
>
>Mike.
>
>--
>======================================================================
> Mike Frisch Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Northstar Technologies WWW: http://saturn.tlug.org/~mfrisch
> Newmarket, Ontario, CANADA
>======================================================================
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: the linux store machines
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 06:53:10 GMT
anyone have any experience, good or bad, with machines from the linux
store (www.thelinuxstore.com)? i'm thinking of picking-up one of their
hadron workstations as the price is pretty good, but i don't know much
about them.
thanks!
=steve
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From: Philipp Maier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Dell Inspiron compatibility? What is best laptop?
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 09:45:47 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"David J. Topper" wrote:
[snip]
> I'd love to hear comments / get input from folks. I've already
> contacted the OSS folks about audio support, but have yet to hear. I'm
> of course concerned about support for various components like the 3com
> combo 56k + 10/100 that comes with the Dell. DVD? PCMCIA? Video Card?
I have an Inspirion 3200 and had no problem getting SuSE Linux 6.1 to
work. The soundcard is tricky, but the video card works just fine.
Philipp Maier
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Date: 02 Jul 99 03:50:19 -0500
From: "Gene Heskett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: a quality 3 button mouse
Unrot13 this;
Reply to: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Gene Heskett sends Greetings to Jeffery Cann;
Logitek makes a decent quality mouse, I'm looking at one right now.
BUT, none of them will work worth a toot if they're up to their gonads
in dust bunnies and hair balls in the works. Goobers get on the balls
and where the balls contact the rollers, and hairballs form on the
shafts of the interrupter disks all the time.
Thats why there are screws in the bottom of it, so you can take it apart
to do normal housekeeping in there. Use paint thinner alcohol to clean
the ball, roller and shaft contact surfaces, and a q-tip wet with it to
co-erce the hairballs from around the shafts on as much of the bearing
surface as you can get to without bending anything.
Voila! Brand new, smooth mouse.
JC> Hello.
JC> Can someone recommend a quality 3 button mouse? I currently have
JC> a Logitech (mouse man?) which I bought about 1 year ago.
JC> Needless to say, the movement on this thing sucks (the ball snags
JC> constantly providing a herky-jerky x windows experience) and I
JC> CANT TAKE IT ANY MORE. I have scoped out my local CompU$A store
JC> and find the selection and quality of
JC> 3 button mice is weak at best.
I also have a "Micro" over on the linux box that seems to be quite
decent for the price of about 17 bucks on the street. I kind of like
that raised middle button.
Cheers, Gene
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|Buddha + 4 gig WDC drive, 525 meg tape
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From: "Muuga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: please reccommend a PCI sound card....
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 03:06:45 -0500
That works easliy with linux.
The card I have now needs OSS to run,
I want a card that can use the built-in kernel drivers.
Thanks
Rory
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From: justin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: printer problems
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 08:23:19 GMT
I own an Okidata Okijet 2010 and it is a CGI printer. Is there annyway I
can get it to work under Red Hat 5.2? When I issue print commands,
natrualy nothing happens, and the message log says
"lp1 at 0x0378, (polling)"
thanks,
Justin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Warwick Ward-Cox)
Subject: Re: SCSI Bus Timeout / Systems locks up
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 07:02:55 GMT
On Thu, 01 Jul 1999 17:51:06 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott W.
Petersen) wrote:
>Jun 23 23:19:28 linux kernel: SCSI bus is being reset for host 0
>channel 0.
>Jun 23 23:19:28 linux kernel: SCSI host 0 reset (pid 1264009) timed
>out again -
>Jun 23 23:19:28 linux kernel: probably an unrecoverable SCSI bus or
>device hang.
>Jun 23 23:19:29 linux kernel: st0: Error with sense data: extra data
>not valid C
>urrent error st09:00: sns = 70 6
>Jun 23 23:19:29 linux kernel: ASC=29 ASCQ= 0
>Jun 23 23:19:29 linux kernel: Raw sense data:0x70 0x00 0x06 0x00 0x00
>0x00 0x00
>0x10 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x29 0x00 0x00
>
>This is the last line in the log file and the system locks up.
>
>Is it hardware? This seems to happen when the scsi tape backup kicks
>in at 23:15 pm. Lately we don't even get these error messages, the
>machine just locks up at the time of backup.
>
>Using SuSE 5.3 on an HP netserver E with a AIC-7880 scsi controller.
>
>
What scsi controller do you have? I'm having a similar problem with
an Adaptec AHA-2940UW.
So far everyone has pointed to termination of the cable as being the
problem.
Warwick Ward-Cox
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From: "Dr D. Galanakis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: S3 TRIO 3D
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 11:23:51 -0100
I am running Redhat 6.0 on a PII 350 MHz computer.
My graphics card is based on S3 TRIO 3D for which there are no drivers
under Linux and the system runs at 640x480 resolution. Does anyone know
how I can increase the resolution?
Thanks in advance
Dimitrios Galanakis
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (KALLE)
Crossposted-To: asus.support.english.mainboard.p2bx,alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus
Subject: Re: UDMA-4, U/66 performance
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 08:46:00 GMT
On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 00:07:09 -0700, Tim Moore wrote:
>I see no blinding speed. Has anyone seen a Promise U/66 controller
>actually be as fast as advertized?
The 66MHz is the INTERFACE SPEED!
> Internal Transfer Rate (max) 206 MBytes/sec
SURLY these are mega BITS /s !!!
> Internal Transfer Rate (max) 171 MBytes/sec
These, too!
Better get some general information about the topic, before just
comparing numbers. (when you don't understand what they stand for)
Just like kids playing a car cards game.
A car with 3975ccm beats a car with 2980ccm. No kid knows why, but the
number is higher, so it must be better! :-)
KALLE
see http://www.jump.net/~lcs/kalle/index.htm for T2P4 and some other information
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From: Giuseppe Catastini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Secondary HDD on Tecra 730CDT
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 10:05:37 +0200
Giuseppe Catastini wrote:
>
> We have a secondary HDD, 2.0GB, which can be located in the same bay of the CD-ROM;
>when we use the
> secondary HDD (instead of the CD-ROM) we obtain the message:
>
> hdb not IDE hdd;
>
> A second message appears later saying that the geometry may be not true: the
>recognized geometry is
> 528,128,63,
> which is exactly the same geometry of the primary HDD, but the number of physical
>heads, 128, does
> not appears to be true (the message is
>
> "... 128 physical heads?"
>
> I have not forced the OS to use that geometry, and actually I have tried also to pass
> a hdb=... with 16 instead of 128, but in this case I obtain other errors.
>
> I have "studied" the Secondary disk, but the geometry does not appear on it ....
> There is only a serial number plus the type of the disk, PA2660U.
> I have tried to look for this PA2660U on the network, but I did not find the geometry
> of the disk, and more toshiba claims this is an Eide disk...
>
> May anyone help me?
> Thank you in advance,
>
> Giuseppe Catastini
Found solution at
www.cck.uni-kl.de/misc/tecra710/
appended ide1=0x190,0x396,10 to the boot line... recognized secondary hdd
with the correct geometry no one was capable to say to me...
Great!
Bye,
Giuseppe Catastini
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Spencer)
Subject: Mitsumi CD-ROM
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 09:52:43 GMT
I am having a first attempt at setting up Redhat 5.2 Linux on an old
Gateway 2000 486 PC (model 4DX2-66V).
This has a Mitsumi double speed CD-ROM drive with its own interface
(not IDE). The model number is CRMC-FXOOD.
When I try to install the OS, it is not recognising the CD-ROM drive.
Is this not supported, or am I doing something wrong? I couldn't find
much useful on the Redhat hardware compatibility guide.
If I can't use this CD-ROM, can I copy some relevant bits to a hard
disk partition, load from there, install the network and use a newer
CD-ROM drive from a remote machine? Or would a different Linux
distribution help?
--
Paul
See lots of XML stuff at http://www.boynings.co.uk
Please replace nospam with boynings in the return address to reply
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Tanhehco Chua)
Subject: Install Token Ring Card IBM ISA Auto 16/4
Date: 1 Jul 1999 22:04:35 GMT
I can't seem to install my token ring card. When I tried to install it at the
installation of linux it could not find it. I am using Linux 2.0 redhat. I tried to
use the control panel and configure it. I know that I am missing a driver or
something. Any suggestions. Where are the drivers? I go to the home page and they
say it should be a snap in installing.
Eric
please email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks!
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From: Christopher Mahmood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where is MAKE ???
Date: 30 Jun 1999 16:04:36 -0700
your setup sounds very broken--I can't imagine that Redhat or another
distro would allow you to not install something as basic as make.
More likely, your path is not correctly; Type 'echo $PATH'. If it
doesn't look something like '/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin' then that's
your problem.
I suggest buying or downloading one of the many excellent
linux-for-newbies books (_Running Linux_ used to be the standard one).
-ckm
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From: Greg H <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where is MAKE ???
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 10:43:22 GMT
Christopher Mahmood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> your setup sounds very broken--I can't imagine that Redhat or another
> distro would allow you to not install something as basic as make.
make won't get installed if you don't install the development
packages.
Greg H.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ad1816
Date: 2 Jul 1999 11:30:46 GMT
I need some help on getting the sound card to work.
Did a upgrade to 6.0 ker.2.2 and getting error of device is busy???
I am new so any help will help.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Best Data 56sps
Date: 2 Jul 1999 11:30:46 GMT
Could use some help getting it setup. The irq, com port, io, and link are
setup correctly, and it jives with 95 setup. Dont know what else to try.
Thanks
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Best Data Modem
Date: 2 Jul 1999 11:30:46 GMT
Need help on setting up Smart One 56sps moden on RedHat 5.2.
Irq, Io, and Com Port are setup the same as 95. The link is there between
/dev/modem >/dev/cua2. Nothing happens when I run mimicom?
Irq=3, ComPort=2, Io=0x02f8.
Do not see a urat when run setserial?
Thanks
Jamie
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From: "Kent Nilsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Q:] Format Jaz on Sun, read on Linux
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 11:41:57 GMT
> : I wonder if a Jaz disk, formatted on the Sun machine and having
> : Solaris filesystem on it can then be connected to a Linux box and
> : mounted there?
>
> : So, basically, can Linux mount Sun filesystems ?
>
> Yes, you mount it as ufs under read only mode. It works just fine for
> me in kernel 2.0.36. Supposely, people are working on read/write mode.
> I don't know the current status since I don't need write mode yet.
I tested Read/Write a few weeks ago (2.2.9 kernel), and it worked for a
while, then crashed. Just had to fsck it from Sun and all works fine. It
crashed when I shared it out from Samba, and aborted a copy to the disk.
Kent R. Nilsen
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From: "Tony Platt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Best Data Modem
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 21:42:49 +1000
try it on ttys1
Tony
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
<7li7t6$4o3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Need help on setting up Smart One 56sps moden on RedHat 5.2.
>Irq, Io, and Com Port are setup the same as 95. The link is there between
>/dev/modem >/dev/cua2. Nothing happens when I run mimicom?
>Irq=3, ComPort=2, Io=0x02f8.
>Do not see a urat when run setserial?
>
>Thanks
>Jamie
>
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From: "n" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Newbie sound prob
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:56:15 +0200
Hi
I'm trying to install my SB32 PnP into SuSE 5.3, with no luck. I've run the
isapnp programme, I ran the make xconfig, set (presumably) everything right
from dos/what isapnp told me, and the gone to "make config" in
/usr/src/linux/sound/drivers directory. This is ok too, except when I "make
sound" ... I get a looooong list of errors involving all the .c & .h files
in the directory (I re-installed it SUSE yesterday). when I make dep; make
clean for the kernel, I don't get any error message, and therefore when I
boot up, the PnP devices are init (ctl for the SB) there is no mention of
the sound card.... and I have re-done this with modules and it doesn't find
the modules after making them and installing them!
PLEASE help
Igor :)
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From: "Tony Platt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Best Data Modem
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 21:49:54 +1000
Whoops sorry
should have said
/dev/ttyS1
There thats better
Tony
Tony Platt wrote in message <2z1f3.724$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>try it on ttys1
>
>Tony
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
><7li7t6$4o3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>>Need help on setting up Smart One 56sps moden on RedHat 5.2.
>>Irq, Io, and Com Port are setup the same as 95. The link is there between
>>/dev/modem >/dev/cua2. Nothing happens when I run mimicom?
>>Irq=3, ComPort=2, Io=0x02f8.
>>Do not see a urat when run setserial?
>>
>>Thanks
>>Jamie
>>
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>> http://www.searchlinux.com
>
>
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From: Mike Carden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: PCMCIA Ethernet networking problem
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 12:55:48 +0100
I've a big problem which none of the documentation has helped with!
Configuration:-
Pentium II laptop with Xircom Realport 10/100+Modem 56
Redhat 6.0 new install.
Problem.
The hardware works fine with win95/98/nt including the xircom
I get a real weird problem with linux 6.0.
The linux machine puts packets onto the network with no problem.
I can see them with a sniffer.
They are mainly arp packets of course until I manually add an entry via
arp -s for another machine.
When I do this and then a ping, I see the icmp traffic in both
directions with the sniffer. The linux box sees no replys ( the led on
the xircom flickers though as one would expect ).
ifconfig -a reports no packets RX TX or collisions.
network addresses, netmasks etc are all correct and the other machine
populates it's MAC arp table with the linux boxes ether address
correctly.
Anybody got any ideas?
Thanks.
--
Mike Carden
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