Linux-Hardware Digest #344, Volume #12 Fri, 25 Feb 00 17:13:11 EST
Contents:
Re: Burned system!? (ajam)
Re: a VERY stupid question!! (Robert Wiegand)
Re: cs4236 pop problem (Mr. Mint)
unknown disk drive activity
Re: unknown disk drive activity ("m a")
Re: a VERY stupid question!! ("Mojo B. Nichols")
Re: unknown disk drive activity
Re: Re: Re: Linux sucks (Nickolaus Dekay)
Re: Re: Re: Linux sucks (Nickolaus Dekay)
framebuffer programming ("Jens Skakkebaek")
HomePNA Driver (Rick)
Re: Sis 5597/98 video card (Mark)
Re: 3-button serial mouse (Colin)
Re: 3-button serial mouse (Matthew Malthouse)
Re: Fujitsu HD performance (Elder Vieira Costa)
Re: Linux vs Windows docs (was: Re: Linux sucks) (lf11 at @linuxstart.com)
Re: a VERY stupid question!! (J Bland)
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From: ajam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Burned system!?
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:10:49 -0500
I'm sorry what I meant was that the CPU fan, not the CPU power, turned on
when I turned the machine's power on.
Cheers, ajam
ajam wrote:
> Okay, this is my question...
>
> I have a machine booting both Linux and NT. The power-on switch in the
> machine is one of these ones that does not really click. You just push
> the damned thing really deep, and as the internal spring pushes the
> button out, the thing turns on. I've been meaning to change the box,
> but I've been procrastinating about it. Either way, Yesterday I turned
> on the machine, and it did not turned on. It instead started making
> this strange sound; possibly by the power supply fan. At that point, I
> turned it off. And tried again after a few seconds, being more careful
> this time; pushing in the power button in slower. The sound started
> again. At that point I turned it off, bought a new box with a new power
> supply and everything else, and move all the components fromt the old to
> the new box. Well, now when I turn on the switch in the machine, the
> power goes on; the cpu power goes on as well; but the machine itself
> does not. I don't know at this point what exactly happened; if
> something got burned or not. And if something got burned, what exactly
> did. Either way, I know that this might be a little bit different than
> some of the problem that other people in this list might be dealing
> with, but I would surely appreciate any input that would shed some light
> and help me get the system back in operation.
>
> Thanks, ajam
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From: Robert Wiegand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: a VERY stupid question!!
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:54:57 -0600
Edward Lee wrote:
> 3. Acrobat files (Acrobat Reader no longer work on my linux with glibc
> 2.0)
This should work. Do you have the latest Acrobat Reader?
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Regards,
Bob Wiegand [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Mr. Mint <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: cs4236 pop problem
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 20:15:14 GMT
The ALSA drivers solve 95% of the popping problem (i.e., I really have
to specifically listen for it now to hear it if it happens at all). I
have to admit, though: getting the correct module configuration lines
was a somewhat tricky. The ALSA docs could be clearer, but there are
1000s of cards, so that's easier said than done.
In case it is useful for someone else, here's the crucial section
of conf.modules that I used for my card (CS4236B), 2.2.12 kernel.
alias snd-card-0 snd-card-cs4236
options snd-card-cs4236 snd_isapnp=0 \
snd_port=0x534 snd_cport=0xf00 snd_irq=5 \
snd_dma1=1 snd_dma2=0 snd_mpu_irq=9 \
snd_mpu_port=0x330 snd_fm_port=0x388
In article <88uapr$2q9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Thanks for the info. I checked out the ALSA drivers, but had trouble
> getting them to work properly (or at all). I eventually gave up and
> bought the OSS drivers. Very easy to set up (I had already installed
> the demo)... so at least I have sound now.
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Paul Winkler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > This problem needs a workaround in the sound driver. The solution is
> > to change to either the ALSA drivers (free, GPL) or the OSS-Linux
> > driver ($20 I think, closed source). Both of them support your card.
> > I'm using OSS at the moment because ALSA wasn't ready when I needed
> > it.
> >
> > Note that I still get little pops sometimes but much, much better
> > than before.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: unknown disk drive activity
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 20:36:31 GMT
My disk drive (actually scsi activity) light flashes every two seconds
constantly and the disk seems to make actuating noises about every ten.
This is happeneing even when the system is idle. I tried removing any gnome
applets that produced screen activity (cpu meter, net monitor) but that had no
effect.
Is there a way to list what processes are doing i/o?
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From: "m a" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: unknown disk drive activity
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:01:07 -0800
you could from root ps -aex (ps aex on some) and see all processes...either
post them or take the time to track down what they all do.
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From: "Mojo B. Nichols" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: a VERY stupid question!!
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:39:43 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
a VERY stupid sentence construction!!
"Mojo B. Nichols" wrote:
>
> The problems you'll have will be is the hardware you have supported.
Yeah this made a lot of sense. I think somebody covered it allready anyway.
Mojo
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: unknown disk drive activity
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 21:09:17 GMT
On Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:01:07 -0800, m a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>you could from root ps -aex (ps aex on some) and see all processes...either
>post them or take the time to track down what they all do.
>
>
How am I supposed to tell which one of 83 is using the disk drive? It could be
using less than 0.0001% of the cpu and yet still rattle the drive.
Is there a way to do something like 'top', but sorted by I/O activity?
Here they are just for grins: (however, this is hardly an idle system, you must
ignore stuff like netscape, slrn, nedit... actually all user 'adam' processes! )
PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND
1 ? S 3:38 init [5] HOME=/ TERM=linux BOOT_IMAGE=linux
2 ? SW 0:00 [kflushd]
3 ? SW 2:20 [kupdate]
4 ? SW 0:00 [kpiod]
5 ? SW 0:10 [kswapd]
6 ? SW< 0:00 [mdrecoveryd]
308 ? SW 0:00 [portmap]
363 ? S 0:18 syslogd -m 0 INIT_VERSION=sysvinit-2.77 previous=N TE
374 ? SW 0:00 [klogd]
390 ? SW 0:00 [smbd]
401 ? S 1:07 nmbd -D INIT_VERSION=sysvinit-2.77 previous=N TERM=li
417 ? SW 0:00 [atd]
433 ? S 0:17 crond INIT_VERSION=sysvinit-2.77 previous=N TERM=linu
453 ? S 0:00 inetd INIT_VERSION=sysvinit-2.77 previous=N TERM=linu
473 ? SW 0:00 [lpd]
503 ? S 0:14 sendmail: accepting connections on port 25 ons on por
512 ? SW 0:00 [su]
515 ? S 0:00 [junkbuster]
542 ? S 8:55 gpm -t ps/2 INIT_VERSION=sysvinit-2.77 previous=N TER
558 ? S 3:42 httpd INIT_VERSION=sysvinit-2.77 previous=N TERM=linu
561 ? SW 0:00 [httpd]
562 ? SW 0:00 [httpd]
563 ? SW 0:00 [httpd]
564 ? SW 0:00 [httpd]
565 ? SW 0:00 [httpd]
566 ? SW 0:00 [httpd]
567 ? SW 0:00 [httpd]
568 ? SW 0:00 [httpd]
569 ? SW 0:00 [httpd]
570 ? SW 0:00 [httpd]
632 ? SW 0:00 [vmnet-bridge]
657 ? S 0:07 xfs -droppriv -daemon -port -1 INIT_VERSION=sysvinit-
665 ? SW 0:00 [vmnet-netifup]
674 ? S 0:00 /usr/bin/vmnet-dhcpd -cf /etc/vmware/vmnet1/dhcpd/dhc
676 ? S 0:53 /usr/bin/vmware-nmbd -D -l /etc/vmware/vmnet1/smb/var
678 ? SW 0:00 [vmware-smbd]
711 tty1 SW 0:00 [mingetty]
712 tty2 SW 0:00 [mingetty]
713 tty3 SW 0:00 [mingetty]
714 tty4 SW 0:00 [mingetty]
715 tty5 SW 0:00 [mingetty]
716 tty6 SW 0:00 [mingetty]
717 ? SW 0:00 [gdm]
843 ? S 0:00 in.identd -e -o INIT_VERSION=sysvinit-2.77 previous=N
844 ? S 0:47 in.identd -e -o INIT_VERSION=sysvinit-2.77 previous=N
845 ? S 0:00 in.identd -e -o INIT_VERSION=sysvinit-2.77 previous=N
846 ? S 0:00 in.identd -e -o INIT_VERSION=sysvinit-2.77 previous=N
847 ? S 0:00 in.identd -e -o INIT_VERSION=sysvinit-2.77 previous=N
848 ? S 0:00 in.identd -e -o INIT_VERSION=sysvinit-2.77 previous=N
849 ? S 0:00 in.identd -e -o INIT_VERSION=sysvinit-2.77 previous=N
850 ? S 0:00 in.identd -e -o INIT_VERSION=sysvinit-2.77 previous=N
851 ? S 0:00 in.identd -e -o INIT_VERSION=sysvinit-2.77 previous=N
852 ? S 0:00 in.identd -e -o INIT_VERSION=sysvinit-2.77 previous=N
853 ? S 0:00 in.identd -e -o INIT_VERSION=sysvinit-2.77 previous=N
3344 ? S 144:32 /etc/X11/X -auth /var/gdm/:0.Xauth :0 INIT_VERSION=sy
3345 ? SW 0:00 [gdm]
3356 ? SW 0:00 [Default]
3370 ? S 0:00 /usr/bin/gnome-session USERNAME=adam ENV=/home/adam/.
3393 ? S 0:02 gnome-smproxy --sm-config-prefix /.gnome-smproxy-M5LT
3397 ? S 0:11 [enlightenment]
3399 ? S 5:31 magicdev --sm-config-prefix /magicdev-IxzExy/ --sm-cl
3412 ? SW 0:00 [gnome-name-serv]
3414 ? S 0:32 xscreensaver -no-splash -timeout 5 -nice 10 -lock-mod
3418 ? S 0:56 panel --sm-config-prefix /panel.d/Session-6XUjCv/ --s
3423 ? S 0:02 gmc --sm-config-prefix /gmc-afGazv/ --sm-client-id 11
3449 ? S 0:12 gnomepager_applet --activate-goad-server gnomepager_a
3452 ? S 0:16 gen_util_applet --activate-goad-server gen_util_apple
3456 ? S 108:07 rp3 --activate-goad-server rp3 USERNAME=adam ENV=/hom
3458 ? S 21:45 multiload_applet --activate-goad-server multiload_app
3842 ? S 0:03 nxterm -sb -sl 10000 -fn 10x20 USERNAME=adam ENV=/hom
3844 pts/0 SW 0:00 [bash]
4202 pts/0 S 0:08 slrn USERNAME=adam ENV=/home/adam/.bashrc HISTSIZE=10
4225 ? S 0:00 nxterm -sb -sl 10000 -fn 10x20 USERNAME=adam ENV=/hom
4227 pts/1 S 0:00 bash USERNAME=adam ENV=/home/adam/.bashrc HISTSIZE=10
4393 ? S 0:10 /usr/lib/netscape/netscape-communicator -irix-session
4414 ? Z 0:00 [netscape <defunct>]
4415 ? S 0:00 (dns helper) USERNAME=adam ENV=/home/adam/.bashrc HIS
4427 pts/0 S 0:01 nedit /home/adam/.followup USERNAME=adam ENV=/home/ad
4428 pts/1 S 0:00 su - USERNAME=adam ENV=/home/adam/.bashrc HISTSIZE=10
4429 pts/1 S 0:00 -bash TERM=xterm HOME=/root SHELL=/bin/bash USER=root
4446 pts/1 R 0:00 ps -aex USERNAME=root ENV=/root/.bashrc HISTSIZE=1000
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nickolaus Dekay)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Linux sucks
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 21:04:18 GMT
On 25 Feb 2000 16:08:16 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J Bland) wrote:
>>I was under the impression that IBM would rather support their own AIX...
>
>It doesn't matter what they'd *rather* support, the fact is they support
>*both*, heavily; seems to be they're pushing Linux for some stuff and AIX for
>others.
>
>Nothing wrong with diversifying.
>
>Shrike
i never said there was.
my roommate works at ibm and aix is pretty much all he deals with, therefore all
i hear about ibm working with.
do you have any information on what exactly they're using linux for? i'd be
interested to read up on it.
cheers,
ndekay
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Furious activity is no substitute for understanding.
-- H. H. Williams
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nickolaus Dekay)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Linux sucks
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 21:04:36 GMT
On Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:59:55 -0500 (EST), "Larry Ebbitt " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>On Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:36:45 GMT, Nickolaus Dekay wrote:
>
>>I was under the impression that IBM would rather support their own AIX...
>
>No, they are leaping on the Linux bandwagon as fast at their wingtips
>will move.
>
>Larry - Atlanta - IBM Global Services
i stand corrected.
ndekay
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Furious activity is no substitute for understanding.
-- H. H. Williams
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From: "Jens Skakkebaek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: framebuffer programming
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:22:49 -0800
Hi,
I need some insights on frame buffers in Linux:
I have a Cyberpro 5050 on another platform (Motorola Coldfire) and need to
port the framebuffer driver. I'm planning on using the Cyber2000fb driver
as the basis.
However, I'm still puzzled about how the this driver fits in with fbcon (if
at all?), how fonts get used, etc. I've looked around. Basically, it's all
uncommented code and hard to find the way around in.
Do you know of any documentation around that explains how to program a frame
buffer device?
The link in section 18 of the framebuffer howto:
http://www.csoft.net/~systems/jim/fb.html
doesn't work anymore.
Any pointers would be greatly appreciated.
Best regards,
Jens
Jens Skakkebaek
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: HomePNA Driver
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:14:21 -0800
I have a Linksys Homelink Phonecard in my Redhat Linux
computer. (Windows 98 blue-screens running the explorer.
Redhat never crashes.)
The Linksys Homelink Phonecard is one of these new HomePNA
cards (www.homepna.org). I was wondering if you knew of
anyone working on, or even better, completed working on a
driver for LINUX for this type of card in general, or the
Linksys Homelink Phonecard in particular?
-Rick.
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Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful
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From: Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sis 5597/98 video card
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 21:30:14 GMT
esses wrote:
>
> I have problem with the newer versions of Xfree(3.3.5 and the next
> versions).
> I can start Xwindow but I can't see the text over the
> windows(Titles,menus,items of menu,etc...) and also the images.
> That fact doesn't happen with other video cards.
> What can i do?
> Is there some patches?Where can i download it?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
The problem your are having is a bug with the XF86_SVGA that comes
with XFree86-3.3.5. I have had the same issue and found using the
server from 6.0 will solve the problem. I have been trying to find
information on this from www.xfree.org but have found nothing yet.
If you have the disks from 6.0 I would suggest using the older
XF86_SVGA server
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colin)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: 3-button serial mouse
Date: 25 Feb 2000 19:29:50 GMT
On Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:47:25 +0000, Nick Kew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <894lsv$2cl$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (C. Newport) writes:
>>
>> The optical mice which require a special cross-hatched pad are much
>> better in dirty situations.
>
>Have you ever had the misfortune to work with one?
>
>Very jerky performance. The pad is horribly uncomfortable, and cold
>to the touch (even at the height of summer in central Italy - where I
>spent some years with the majority of my working life seated at a Sun box).
A certain UK seat of learning (which shall remain nameless) once
had the bright idea of glueing the pads to the tables to stop them
being misplaced. Made them no end of friends among the left-handed
students, that one did. The fact that they never worked quite the
same (if at all) after they'd been ripped off and glued back down
a few times totally pissed the rest of us off too, just for good
measure. <sigh>
Regards, Colin.
--
"A notorious luddite far outpaced by his wife and children on IT."
Description of Tony Blair in The Guardian, 12th Feb 2000.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Malthouse)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: 3-button serial mouse
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 21:55:21 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <894lsv$2cl$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (C. Newport) wrote:
} The optical mice which require a special cross-hatched pad are much
} better in dirty situations. A quick wipeover of the pad with a screen
} wipe usually solves the problem.
}
} Unfortunately such critters are somewhat scarce nowadays, although
} they are still an option for Sun kit.
Eek! I've had to use them from the days when they were the only option for
Suns and I HATE them, truely and utterly detest. The wipe clean notion
would be fine if they worked in any reasonable manner even when pristine.
Matthew
--
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http://www.calmeilles.demon.co.uk/index.html
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From: Elder Vieira Costa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Fujitsu HD performance
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 19:14:09 -0300
John Hong wrote:
>
> Elder Vieira Costa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> : I have a 13GB Fujitsu HD and a PC-Chips M571 V7 main board with AMD's
> : K6-II-266, kernel 2.2.14, RedHat 6.1. I am getting around 8MB/s transfer
> : rate when I test the HD with hdparm (hdparm -t /dev/hdd) whereas with an
> : older 6.3 Maxtor drive (/dev/hda) I get around 12MB/s (50% faster even
> : though its older). No other devices were attached to IDE busses when I
> : ran the tests. An DMA transfer is surely working as I got 5MB/s when I
> : turned it off (hdparm -d 0 /dev/hdd). Has somebody got any hint about
> : how to improve the performance? Am I missing something.
>
> Try adding -c3 to hdparm and see if anything changes...
Hi, thanks for the answer but there was no changes. Any other sugestion?
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From: lf11 at @linuxstart.com
Subject: Re: Linux vs Windows docs (was: Re: Linux sucks)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 17:14:24 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John
Jordan) wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) dijo a todos por la internet:
>
>>On 24 Feb 2000 14:32:30 GMT, David Magda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:07:45 GMT, John Jordan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>However, with Windows you have numerous, mature, texts from Microsoft
>>>>and third parties. Furthermore, Microsoft has a well-organized
>>>>KnowledgeBase. All the information for Linux is out there in just as
Ever tried to navigate the KnowledgeBase intelligently? Ugh!
Besides, all those f_s_c_k_i_n_g WindowsXX books assume you have a
base as to WHAT EXACTLY TCP/IP REALLY IS!! And everything else.
Microsoft's NetBEUI is NOT a replacement, since it has no routing
control. Those books are almost completely useless, since they
present the facts with the model. It's like ornaments without a
Christmas tree. Or maybe leaves without a tree. Dead.
>
>>>GNU/Linux's ``KnowledgeBase'' is USENet. You can also go to <www.deja.com>.
>>>Though I've found that since they've differsified from just a USENet search
>>>engine it has a really confusing interface.
Go to http://www.deja.com/home_ps.shtml and select "Deja Classic"
from the "Results type" dropdown menu. The results will be in the
old dejanews.com format...*thank*god*!
>
>>There are also various web sites that index the documentation.
>>
>>And, the desktop projects both are providing unified entry points
>>into the installed documentation.
>
> But y'all miss my point. I want the information *without* having to
> log onto the net. Web sites are slow and frustrating to find things
> in. And the quality of the docs on the web is great if you have a
> degree in computer science, but pretty incomprehensible to a
> non-techie. Trust me on this -- I have degrees and consider myself
> educated, but have had very poor luck understanding what passes for
> Linux documentation. And besides, what if the user can't get the modem
> working?
>
> There is a market for a real, paper book. People will pay for it.
> Right now, I find the one most lacking is a "Linux for Windows Users."
> I'm surprised no one has written one yet. (And if there are any
> aspiring authors out there, e-mail me -- I can almost guarantee
> getting it published.)
>
> And don't suggest the useless thing that Corel ships with their
> product. It just repeats verbatim what is in the help. And even that
> doesn't help. E.g., for what to put in the box where it says "Gateway"
> it says, "enter your gateway here." Well, duh. That was obvious from
> the screen. What the newcomer needs is troubleshooting and
> explanation. What is a gateway in the first place? Why is it
> important? Where does the user figure out where to get the address to
> put in the box? Remember, I'm talking Windows users here -- they have
> never heard of TCP/IP. Windows handled all that stuff for them.
>
Hear Hear! I was in the same boat for a loong time. "If you don't know X,
see your system administrator." GRR! I WAS the sysadmin! Better than
RedHat, "If you *are* the system administrator, and you still don't know
the values, take up a job in food processing." Oooooh! Insulting!
I wish there was a paper-and-ink dictionary for about ~$20 that would tell
you the meanings of all this stuff, gateways, IP addresses, namespace,
gethostbyaddr, samba (WTF is Samba???), TCP, IP, IPX, NIS, YP, DNS,
DHCP...ad infinitum.
For your information, the "Hacker's Dictionary" by Eric S. Raymond
(look at amazon or barns+noble) seems to be a pretty good dictionary
for "techspeak"; computer terms and slang. (I will be buying it
within the month.)
> If Linux is going to take over the desktop, it's going to have to
> address the needs of the masses, not just the geeks.
>
No kidding. The masses who think the "Recycle Bin"
is a place to store files......
-lf
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J Bland)
Subject: Re: a VERY stupid question!!
Date: 25 Feb 2000 20:35:54 GMT
>>Also for attachments, pine handles them well, and kmail does them very well
>>indeed IME. Email attachements shouldn't be a reason to stick with Windows,
>>in fact the clients they use here at Liv uni don't handle them very well on
>>Windows and *Linux* is making life easier here.
>
> Even 'classic' Unix would be able to give you a shake and bake
> solution for that.
>
Yes, but my users aren't exactly the sort of people to go digging around
with CLI stuff when kmail does it nicely anyway.
I've nothing against using a GUI app.
Shrike
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