Linux-Hardware Digest #484, Volume #12           Wed, 15 Mar 00 09:13:13 EST

Contents:
  apcupsd configure-problem ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: SB PCI 128 Problem ("Steffen Jost")
  help! driver for conexant Soft56 modem ("zephyr")
  Re: Is This HardWare of OS ..? (Desmond Coughlan)
  Re: linux in notebook (onu Ramp)
  SB64 Value config problem (Totoro)
  problems blanking cd-rws with cdrecord (another learning user)
  Re: SoundBlaster {N 3 \/\/ |3 I 3} (Totoro)
  SCSI cd-rom configuration? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Trident blade 3d AGP trouble (Simon White)
  Problems with Adaptec 1542b SCSI & Sony SDT-5000 DDS2 DAT (Sean Akers)
  Re: Linux sucks (Norman Levin)
  Re: XFree86-3.3.6 and S3Trio3D - stopped working :-o (Jacek 
=?iso-8859-2?Q?Pop=B3awski?=)
  lexmark Z11 (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Przemys=B3aw=20D=EAba?=)
  Re: Crystal 4236B/DELL OptiPlex Gx1 sound card (Joseph Dale)
  Re: RTL8029 Ethernet / IRQ frustrations??? (Stefan Seyfried)
  Re: BIOS drive info != Linux drive info ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Serious harddisk problem (Bernhard Mogens Ege)
  Re: Maxtor 40G IDE w/o BIOS support (StormKrow)
  Re: Linux Device Drivers Petition (Steve Martin)

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: apcupsd configure-problem
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:59:33 GMT

Hello,

I have a APC Smart-UPS V/S 650. It's connected via a serial cable with
the Linux-computer. The connection of
the wires is like 940-00240C. After starting the daemon, all seems to be
ok. *But* 20 seconds after switching off the power, the system reboots
(although TIMEOUT is 300). Before rebooting, the system says:

 Battery Load Limits Reached, Beginning Shutdown Sequence
 Battery RunTime Limits Reached Beginning Shutdown Sequence

That seems quite strange to me, as I defined TIMEOUT in the
config-file. Then I tried the following entries in the conf-File:
BATTERYLEVEL 0
MINUTES 0

But it was exactly the same behaviour.
Does anyone know what's going on and how to fix the fault?

Thanks a lot for your help.

Kind regards
     Bjoern Gerhart


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From: "Steffen Jost" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SB PCI 128 Problem
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:19:29 +0100

Hi Greg!

My SB 128PCI works under irq 10 and io 0xec00, using the driver for the
es1371. These irq and io settings also work well under win98. I wonder why
you set it up using irq 1 or 5?!
BTW, I don�t have a nic which could cause additional problems. Try looking
what values are used by windows. and try to use /sbin/lspci -p under linux
to see if your card is recognised by the kernel at all. My computer shows
something like
... multimedia controller ...:1371    [some numbers and the chip type (es
1371).]

Hope this helps

Steffen



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From: "zephyr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: help! driver for conexant Soft56 modem
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:37:39 -0800

dear all netters,
I need a driver for my modem to be used in linux redhat 6.1 The type is
"PCI, conexant soft 56 data,fax, speakerphone. "
If you know the source, plese let me know. Thanks for your attention.



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Desmond Coughlan)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux
Subject: Re: Is This HardWare of OS ..?
Date: 15 Mar 2000 10:50:12 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:45:54 -0600, Jack Kelly Dobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

> Not that anyone is going to believe my reason for asking but:
> 
> Are you by any chance in or around a military air base?

Er ... in the centre of Paris ..?  :-)

[snip]

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From: onu Ramp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.security,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x,comp.security.firewalls,linux.redhat,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: linux in notebook
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:18:46 +0200



"Bass���v" wrote:

> is there anything need to pay attention when install linux in notebook ?
> for excmple touchpad etc....
>

check http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop/

uncle Ramp


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From: Totoro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: SB64 Value config problem
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:30:05 GMT

I am using RedHat 6.0 and have a SB64 Value sound card. I was using 
"sndconfig" to config my sound card. I inputted all the parameters and 
could hear the speech perfectly. When it got to the MIDI part, it said "No 
AWE synth device is found". However, I remember I have clicked 'Y' for the 
AWE32 synth option when I was compiling my kernel.

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From: another learning user <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: problems blanking cd-rws with cdrecord
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:31:01 GMT

Red Hat 6.1. You can see the rest in the output. Cdrecord works
perfectly for me, except when I try to blank a cd-rw. I usually
get something like the following (I tried the force option here).

# cdrecord blank=all dev=4,0 -force
Cdrecord release 1.8a29 Copyright (C) 1995-1999 J�rg Schilling
scsidev: '4,0'
scsibus: 0 target: 4 lun: 0
Using libscg version 'schily-0.1'
Device type    : Removable CD-ROM
Version        : 2
Response Format: 2
Capabilities   : SYNC 
Vendor_info    : 'YAMAHA  '
Identifikation : 'CRW6416S        '
Revision       : '1.0b'
Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW.
Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R driver (mmc_cdr).
Driver flags   : SWABAUDIO
cdrecord: Input/output error. blank unit: scsi sendcmd: retryable
error
CDB:  A1 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
Sense Bytes: 70 00 04 D0 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 09 02 00 00
Sense Key: 0x4 Hardware Error, Segment 0
Sense Code: 0x09 Qual 0x02 (focus servo failure) Fru 0x0
Sense flags: Blk -805306368 (not valid) 
cmd finished after 2382.162s timeout 9600s

I also saw the following when I tried to blank before writing:

Cdrecord release 1.8a29 Copyright (C) 1995-1999 J�rg Schilling
scsidev: '4,0'
scsibus: 0 target: 4 lun: 0
Using libscg version 'schily-0.1'
Device type    : Removable CD-ROM
Version        : 2
Response Format: 2
Capabilities   : SYNC 
Vendor_info    : 'YAMAHA  '
Identifikation : 'CRW6416S        '
Revision       : '1.0b'
Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW.
Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R driver (mmc_cdr).
Driver flags   : SWABAUDIO
cdrecord: Drive needs to reload the media to return to proper status.
cdrecord: WARNING: Track size unknown. Data may not fit on disk.
Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 2 in write mode for single session.
Last chance to quit, starting real write in 1 seconds.
cdrecord: faio_wait_on_buffer for writer timed out.
cdrecord: Input/output error. blank unit: scsi sendcmd: retryable
error
CDB:  A1 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
Sense Bytes: 70 00 04 D3 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 09 00 00 00
Sense Key: 0x4 Hardware Error, Segment 0
Sense Code: 0x09 Qual 0x00 (track following error) Fru 0x0
Sense flags: Blk -754974720 (not valid) 
cmd finished after 2400.021s timeout 9600s
cdrecord: Cannot blank disk, aborting.

Since I want to run this in a script, I need to avoid these
errors. Does anyone have an idea of the source of the problem?
If someone even has a better resource to ask (a mailing list
or different newsgroup), you will have earned my gratitude.
Thank you for your help.

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From: Totoro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SoundBlaster {N 3 \/\/ |3 I 3}
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:30:05 GMT

Is the module enabled in the kernel?

Necro wrote:
> 
> 
> well i did a full "everything" all options selected install of
> linux RedHat6.1 and it says on boot cant load the "sound" modules
> 
> 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: SCSI cd-rom configuration?
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 05:16:37 -0600

I have a SIIG UltraSCSI Pro card with two cd-rom drives one's a writer.
I can't find any driver that will work with it during the install
(Redhat Mandrake 6.2)  I was able to install from a ide drive that I've
temporarly added to the system and would like to know if there are any
"generic" drivers and how to install them manually?  I can't find any
way in linuxconf.  I had a similar problem with my network cards and
someone told me how to add the module in config.modules and that worked
great!  If I could get similar help with this it would be appreciated.

  A complete list of things I need help with if anyone wants to help
out!

    1)  installing my SIIG UltraSCSI Pro controller
    2)  the best way to configure multiple cd-rom drives on different
controlers
    3)  how to set up a server to auto dial to the internet when a
connection is requested
    4)  how to forward request from the workstations throught the server
and to the internet?
    5)  how to accept calls from outside computers?

  thx,
    Rob


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From: Simon White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Trident blade 3d AGP trouble
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:43:26 +0000

> I thought I could just switch cards back to my old Trident #D IMAGE 975. 
> Well, I found you can't just do it. I don't know if this board must have 
> an AGP display, or could I put in a pci display? I saw a setting or two in 
> the BIOS.

On some motherboards there's a jumper to disable the AGP and run an old
PCI card. It might be possible on a BIOS level too. Don't know.

It would depend, of course, on whether the new video card is onboard or
not...

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From: Sean Akers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Problems with Adaptec 1542b SCSI & Sony SDT-5000 DDS2 DAT
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:12:44 -0000

I have recently aquired an old Adaptec AHA1542b ISA SCSI card and a Sony 
SDT-5000 DDS2 DAT drive and am having problems. The SCSI card is the only 
SCSI card in my system (a P166 with 64Mb RAM running SuSE 6.3) and the 
DAT drive the only SCSI device.

When I try to write to a tape say using a command such as

find /home -print | cpio -ocva > /dev/st0

It writes about 20 Mb then stops with a change media message. Unusual for 
a drive with a minium of 4GB capacity. It also seems to be writing very 
slowly. After the failure occurs I can no longer do anything with 
/dev/st0 without removing the aha1542 module and reloading it as I get 
"device not configured" errors. 

When it fails the console log contains one of the following messages: 

Sent BUS RESET to scsi host 0
st0: Error with sense data: [valid=0] Info fld=0x0, Current st09:00: 
sense key Not Ready

or

Sent BUS RESET to scsi host 0
Additional sense indicates Power on, reset, or bus device reset occurred
Additional sense indicates Logical unit is in process of becoming ready

I am running the SCSI adapter as a module. It seems to load OK if i 
insmod aha1542. It also recognises the DAT drive. When the SCSI module is 
loaded it generates the following messages: 

Configuring Adaptec (SCSI-ID 7) at IO:330, IRQ 11, DMA priority 5
scsi : 1 host.
Type:   Sequential-Access                  ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Detected scsi tape st0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 6, lun 0

Which all looks OK to me. 

running mt -f /dev/st0 status generates

drive type = Generic SCSI-2 tape
drive status = 318767616
sense key error = 0
residue count = 0
file number = -1
block number = -1
Tape block size 512 bytes. Density code 0x13 (DDS (61000 bpi)).
Soft error count since last status=0
General status bits on (1010000):
 ONLINE IM_REP_EN

The 1542b SCSI card jumpers are set to:

Sync negotiation: disabled (factory default)
SCSI Parity Bit: enabled
SCSI address: 7
DMA Channel: 5
Interrupt Channel: 11
DMA Transfer Speed: 8.0
BIOS: disabled
I/O Port Address: 0x330
BIOS Wait State: 0
BIOS Address: DC00
Floppy Support: disabled
DMA Request Channel: 5
DMA Acknowledge Channel: 5
IRQ Channel: 11

The DAT Drive is jumpered as follows: 

SCSI ID: 6
Data compression: enabled
SCSI Parity: On
Terminator on: On
Terminator Power: On (I have also tried with this set to off as well)

Oh, I forgot to mention, the drive is connected internally inside my PC. 

Any help would be much appreciated. I'm beginning to think the drive 
doesn't like the old Adaptec card. I'd prefer not to have to go and buy a 
new card if at all possible as I only really want to run this single tape 
drive.

Cheers, 

Sean. 

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 06:03:08 -0500
From: Norman Levin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.portable,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: Linux sucks

Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
> Rusty Lingenfelter wrote:
> >
> > Will all of you please take this rant to an appropriate newsgroup. I
> > would suggest:
> >
> > comp.os.linux.advocacy or
> > alt.linux.sux
> >
> > As you all seem to have plenty of time to read, read a bit about
> > newsgroup etiquette. Please get the hint.
> 
>         Out of some two dozen messages may I inquire why I have been
> singled out for this missive of yours?

** I've been following this thread as apparently Rusty has and after so many append,
he decided to comment.  I don't think it was personal.  Your append just happened to
be at the right place, at the right time, for a REPLY button to get pushed.
-- 
Norman Levin


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jacek =?iso-8859-2?Q?Pop=B3awski?=)
Subject: Re: XFree86-3.3.6 and S3Trio3D - stopped working :-o
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:32:49 GMT

Larry Barlow wrote:
>I am using same chipset and distribution as you are on my machine at work.

today I got email from person, who has the same problem as my

>Support for the Trio 3D is fairly new and little flaky.
>Not ALL resolutions and
>color depths that the chipset supports will work. 

yes, yes, I know it, but Trio3D works perfect in RH6.1 and even SuSE6.2,
so I installed SuSE on other drive, copy XF86Config to MDK, and...
it's suprised my like a hell, just read:
- i run "startx", monitor turn off, after 2 seconds it turn on, and KDE
  starts
- KDE is slow, so I change it to icewm
- after "startx" monitor is still off
- I change icewm to KDE
- after "startx" monitor turn off, then turn on
- I change resolution (ctrl+alt+plus)
- monitor turned off
- I change again (to first resolution)
- monitor is still off
- I killed X
- after "startx" and 2 seconds monitor is on, I saw KDE
- I change to console, then change to X
- monitor is off

don't tell me it's problem with Modeline, it isn't, don't tell me I write
bad XF86Config, becouse it works with SuSE and RH, just tell me why
X works good with KDE and works bad with icewm, or englightenment? why
after changing resolution or going to console monitor is turn off forever
(to moment I kill X) ?
I install RH, then upgrade packages from MDK and I will try to find
what is bad in MDK (probably glibc)


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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Przemys=B3aw=20D=EAba?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: lexmark Z11
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:33:25 GMT

I'm looking for someone who uses or is able to install Lexmark Z11
printer under Linux control.



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From: Joseph Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Crystal 4236B/DELL OptiPlex Gx1 sound card
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:10:50 GMT

Dan Sun wrote:
> 
> Joseph Dale wrote:
> 
> > Dan Sun wrote:
> > >
> > > I newly insatelled Redhat6.0, but the sound card doesn't work
> > >
> >
> > I've got RH 6.1
> >
> > > my PC is Dell PII/350  OptiPlex Gx1 with built-in sound card Crystal
> > > 4236B. it works fine in Windows.
> >
> > I've got a Dell PII/350 Optiplex Gx1 with built-in sound card Crystal
> > 4236B
> >
> > >
> > > I used the sound card's DOS utility to detect its configuration:
> > > io=0x220, irq=5, dma=1
> > >
> > > the card is in Hedwig's compatiable HW list. and it should use cs4232.o
> > >
> > > I set the conf.modules file like this:
> > > alias sound cs4232.o
> > > options sound io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1
> > >
> > > when it boot, I got error message on screen, it says the ad1848 file is
> > > not found.
> > > and I got error in log:
> > > Mar 14 12:31:03 linux insmod: /lib/modules/2.2.5-15/misc/sound.o:
> > > invalid parameter io
> > >
> > > Anyone can help me with this?
> >
> > Log in as root and type 'sndconfig'. It will play a couple of samples
> > and ask you if you heard them. Say yes, and it will rewrite conf.modules
> > for you. I did this and everything worked beautifully.
> 
> Thank U very much, you help me quite a lot.
> 

You're very welcome.

> I run the sndconfig and now the sound card works, but the volume is toooooo
> low, where can I adjust its volume like the Windows did? (I knew you hate
> Windows very much)
>

If you installed most of the graphical goodies, there should be a mixer
hiding somewhere in your menu (down in the lower left hand corner, just
like Win95 ;)
If not, try aumix, which will run in a terminal if you installed some
kind of curses.
 
> BTW, will the hard disk size affect Linux performance? I assigned 1G for
> Linux native and 78 M for swap, (I have 64M RAM)
> 
> if the hard disk size will affect the linux performance like Win95 did to
> the OS, can I resize the partion to larger one? (change on the fly, I try to
> use partition magic 3.05, but it seems can not resize Linux ext2 partition)

I don't think having too small of a root partition will hurt you, except
making you unhappy when you start running out of room on it. It's
probably pretty dangerous to resize a Linux partition with Partition
Magic,  if it will even let you. The reason that hard disk size affects
Win95 is basically that Windows doesn't keep its swap file separate from
all the other data, and it can make the swap file as large as it wants,
so swapping can get in the way of other stuff. On Linux this isn't true.
Swapping shouldn't -- especially on a system like yours -- interfere too
much with overall operation. If it does, the best solution is probably
not to give more swap space, but to get more RAM. My system is just like
yours, except I've got a 10Gig hard drive, 128MB of RAM, and the space I
allocated for swap looks like it's sitting totally unused most of the
time.

Joe

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From: Stefan Seyfried <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RTL8029 Ethernet / IRQ frustrations???
Date: 15 Mar 2000 14:07:16 +0100

Matt Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello All...
> I am trying to get a linux box up and running and communicating with the
> rest of the world, but I am having a problem with my card *I think*.
> How do I find the resource settings in Linux???  I'm using an old
> computer with lots of shared architecture crap, and I don't know where
> to start.

I have two of those cards in my box (PCI cards), they work without
problems. The only issue i had with them was, that the BIOS configured
them to share the same IRQ, which caused the kernel to hang at boot at
the stage where the ethernet cards should be initialized. (I don't use
modules). I reconfigured my BIOS, now the whole thing is running fine.

Do you use the correct drivers? You need the "PCI NE2000 support" in
the kernel or the ne2k-pci.o module.

Which errors do you get? Be more specific.

Regards,

Stefan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: BIOS drive info != Linux drive info
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:34:02 GMT

In article <8aldeh$l2k$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I just bought a 20 GIG drive and am having a devil of a time getting
it
> installed on my Redhat 6.1 system. I updated the BIOS for LBA support
> and it sees the drive as being 20523 kBytes, 2495 cylinders, 255
heads,
>

Actually, RedHat 6.1 was working fine, it was a hardware problem.
Because of lack of sleep with a new baby, I configured the Western
Digitial drive as a 9 pin, when it was really a 10 pin. With the wrong
DIP switch settings it didn't function correctly. :-(

Michael Czeiszperger
Raleigh, NC


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Subject: Re: Serious harddisk problem
From: Bernhard Mogens Ege <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:47:22 GMT

>>>>> "Jeff" == Jeff Shipman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I suggest you make some archives and invest in a new
> HD. The 'klonk' definitely isn't a good sign and you
> don't want to keep pushing it until it dies for real.

Hmmm, getting old fast. It's only 7 month old. Hasn't been stoppped
since, though.

Should I expect a longer life for a HD?

regards,

Bernhard Ege

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From: StormKrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Maxtor 40G IDE w/o BIOS support
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:50:27 -0600

aha...

could it be that you've got your boot order out of whack?


Keith Rohrer wrote:

> Ian Molton wrote:
> >
> > Keith Rohrer wrote:
>
> > > I know what you said, but that doesn't work with my motherboard.  "None" is
> > > not sufficient to keep my motherboards from hanging when they see the full
> > > size of the drive.  I think it's probably when they go scanning for CD-ROMs
> > > and such, but even setting a geometry manually didn't avoid the hang.  My
> > > only choices are to use the jumper, or to buy a new motherboard.  Thus, I
> > > concentrated on a solution when the jumper is installed, not removed.
> >
> > why not boot from another drive and tell the bios the big one doesnt
> > exist?
>
> When I say "None", I mean "None" on that first BIOS configuration screen
> where you tell the BIOS what kind of hard disks you have.  "None" as
> opposed to "auto" or a particular geometry (which didn't work for me
> either).  The only stronger way to tell the BIOS "no disk here" would be to
> turn off the whole controller channel on the peripherals page (which would
> *really* keep anything from accessing it...).
>
>         Keith (booting SCSI anyway...)


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From: Steve Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux Device Drivers Petition
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:07:34 -0500

jaelica wrote:
> 
> I found a story this morning on User Friendly
> (www.userfriendly.org) about a petition RE: hardware drivers
> (mostly printers,but I'm certain it covers other things).
> 
> http://www.libranet.com/petition.html

Not very "user-friendly", I guess... I tried looking at this
link with Netscape 4.7, and all I got was a blank page.
Same for www.userfriendly.org. Perhaps they only like
Internet Explorer?? (Yeah, that's user-friendly, all right.)

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