Linux-Hardware Digest #529, Volume #12           Wed, 22 Mar 00 16:13:08 EST

Contents:
  Re: Linux sucks (Craig Phillips)
  Re: Screen Resolution (Julius Apweiler)
  Re: configuring SB 2.0 (Laura Conrad)
  Performace with Maxtor 7200RPM 40GB Hard Drive ("Curtis Magyar")
  cdrom problem (William Ng)
  Telnet problem ("CBA")
  IDE controller cards with >= 4 *independent* controllers? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Newbie sound problem on Debian with CMI8738 chip ("Lesley")
  Re: Making Music with my SoundBlaster 64 AWE. ("Lesley")
  XCom ISDN Creditcard ("olli")
  Re: Noisy LINUX? (Ian)
  Re: Serious harddisk problem ("Jim")
  Re: Logitech MouseMan Wheel and Netscape ("Jim")
  Which IDE RAID controllers supported by Linux v2.2? ("Steve Snyder")

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Craig Phillips)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.portable,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: Linux sucks
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:10:50 GMT

Has it been forgotten that Linux was not made for folks born in the
Windows world?  I had one hell of a time trying to figure out all the
weird/foreign things in Linux but in the end (without any real
documentation) it made me a much better Windows user.

Sometimes going at something blind is a good thing?!

Craig

On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 17:44:14 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Jordan)
wrote:

>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore) dijo a todos por la internet:
>
>>On Sun, 05 Mar 2000 19:10:04 GMT, 
>> John Jordan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>"Orest M. A. Zarowsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> dijo a todos por la
>>>internet:
>>> 
>>>>What does suck is the assumption made by many Linux "experts" and advanced
>>>>users that the documentation that comes with Linux is superb and more than
>>>>adequate.  It is not.  Lots of stuff out there, but what kills it is the
>>>>assumption underlying ALL of the documentation that the person using it is
>>>>already familiar with the OS.
> 
>>>Exactly so. Failure to define terminology, assuming the reader knows
>>>the meaning of the term, is a common sin, e.g., "place the address of
>>>the gateway here." What if the user has never heard of a gateway? Or
>>>if the user has heard of one, has no idea where to get the address to
>>>put in the blank? Or what will happen if you leave it blank -- why it
>>>is important, what its function is? Authors of the Linux documentation
>>>that I have read so far assume too much knowledge on the part of the
>>>reader.
>
>>Except in your example, Windows is no better.  It still needs to know
>>the address of the gateway, and the 'help' it offers is to "ask your
>>network administrator".
>>
>>I've found Microsoft documentation severely lacking.  Pretty screen
>>shots of "hey, this box here.. ask your network administrator what to
>>put there" are unhelpful.
>
>I networked my NT box with my Windows 95 laptop without needing to
>know what a gateway is. I installed the cards and connected the cables
>like the guy at the computer store said to. Then I just poked at
>stuff. Each computer saw the other immediately in the network
>neighborhood. I don't know if I was even running TCP/IP, let alone
>what a gateway is.
>
>I now have a Linux computer as well, and I finally managed to get at
>least the NT computer to see and browse it. I haven't gotten the Linux
>box to see the NT box, however. And I still don't know what a gateway
>is or why it is important (which may be why it isn't all working yet).
>
>>>Troubleshooting is another aspect of the problem. What if the user
>>>puts the address in the gateway, but it still doesn't work? What else
>>>might be wrong? Good troubleshooting manuals are designed to take the
>>>user step by step, like a flowchart -- "1) Be sure the device is
>>>plugged in, 2) ..." -- that sort of thing. Corporations do this for
>>>their products in order to cut down on tech support calls. They
>>>wouldn't bother if it wasn't successful in meeting that goal.
>
>>Again, Microsoft doesn't do this.  ("Contact your network
>>administrator", is also what their mail clients say when they fail to
>>find the smtp server, or IE fails to resolve a host.)
>
>Evidently you never used the Windows Resource Kits. Granted, they
>still don't answer a lot of questions, but the Resource Kits are way
>better than the stuff I've found for Linux. For even more obscure
>problems there is the KnowledgeBase that you can access on the web.
>
>Of course, you are right, the Resource Kit does not come with the OS,
>so the user may not even be aware it exists. Ditto for the
>KnowledgeBase. And I'll also grant that both the Resource Kits and the
>KnowledgeBase assume that the user knows what a gateway is. But the
>fact that Microsoft documentation is lacking is no excuse for Linux
>documentation to be equally lacking. I thought the whole idea was that
>Linux was supposed to be better than Windows. To me, that includes the
>documentation, not just features, applications and stability.
>
>>>And this will become more and more important as Linux invades the
>>>desktop. When it was mostly just a server OS it was used primarily by
>>>system administrators, usually with degrees or at least advanced
>>>knowledge of computers. These people already knew what a gateway was,
>>>so the term didn't need to be defined in the documention. But for
>>>Windows users, considerably more help is going to be necessary.
>
>>I think you're basing this on the incorrect assumption that corporate
>>users configure their own system.  They don't.  The IS staff configures
>>it and delivers it with their networking configured and will be very
>>annoyed if the user changes the networking setup.
>
>I wasn't thinking of corporate users at all. I was thinking of John
>and Jane Doe, who buy a computer at the local computer store to use at
>home. Who will they turn to for help?
>
>Of course, at this point in time, they will probably buy it with
>Windows preinstalled, and then decide to install Linux themselves
>because they heard that it is cool. Therefore they will likely have at
>least a passing familiarity with Windows.
>
>
>NOTICE: The e-mail address is deliberately incorrect.
>Delete "xnospam" from the username.


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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:56:03 +0100
From: Julius Apweiler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Screen Resolution

Robert Mazur wrote:
> 
> Can a 800x600 monitor be "tricked" into thinking it is 1024x768?
> 
> I know that sounds ridiculous, but I installed RH6.1 on a machine that has
> what I swear is a 800x600 max screen, but I'm running at 1024x768.  Is this
> possible?  Or, do I not know my monitor well enough?  If it is possible, I
> would love to install on my 12.1" 800x600 laptop.  I'm dreaming, huh?

I haven't ever seen it myself, but I've heard from a couple of people
that they run their monitors at higher resolutions than are mentioned in
the manual, so apparently it's possible. Still, I'm pretty sure it's
impossible with laptops because their displays work in a completely
different way.

====================
Julius Dominik Apweiler
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Sent from SuSE Linux 6.3

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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: configuring SB 2.0
From: Laura Conrad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 22 Mar 2000 14:35:15 -0500


>>>>> "Markus" == Markus Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

    Markus> First I installed the OSS (opso-3.8) drivers and got
    Markus> sound. But there were disturbing noises while playing
    Markus> samples. Then I tested the ALSA drivers. After alsaconf
    Markus> all required kernel modules were loaded, except the SB
    Markus> mixer.  Then I only got noise, but no samples. After that
    Markus> I tried to install oss again, but this time oss-install
    Markus> fails with "sb.o not found" and "kernel not suitable for
    Markus> oss".


    Markus> Why are the OSS drivers recommended in the HOWTOs? ALSA
    Markus> seems to be a universal sound system, while OSS is a third
    Markus> party product.

Doesn't your post answer that question?  Lots of people have no idea
how to install ALSA; lots of people who do install it can't get it to
work; and you at least don't know how to uninstall it.   Some people
might think those were all reasons not to recommend it.


-- 
Laura Conrad    mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Laura (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] , http://www.world.std.com/~lconrad/ )
(617) 661-8097  fax: (801) 365-6574 
233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139


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From: "Curtis Magyar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Performace with Maxtor 7200RPM 40GB Hard Drive
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:36:58 GMT

I recently purchased a 40GB Maxtor IDE drive.  I already own a 27.2GB
version of this drive. 
(http://www.maxtor.com/diamondmaxplus/40p.html)

When I initially installed the drive, I kept my linux system on /dev/hda,
(It's a Quantum 13.0GB ),  and installed the 40GB Maxtor, as hdc, and
27.2, as hdd.  When I attempted to autodetect the  drive in BIOS, the
procedure hung when it got to the 40GB.  So my bios doesn't support it.  I
then went to system configuration, and set 2ndary slave to Auto, and
master to NONE.  The Post went okay, linux booted up, detected all 3
drives, and mounting them was no problem.  I then decided to do some
performance testing.  I got 14 - 20 MB/s on hda, 1.5 - 3 MB/s on hdc, and 
1.5 - 3 MB/s on hdd.  This is unnacceptable.  I then moved the 27.2, to
the primary slave (hdb), 
then after bootup, I ran 'hdparm -d1 -c1 -A1 -m16 -d1 /dev/hdX' for hda,
hdb, and hdc. Now,   hdparm -tT /dev/hda /dev/hdb /dev/hdc reports:

/dev/hda:
 Timing buffer-cache reads:   128 MB in  1.42 seconds = 90.14 MB/sec 
 Timing buffered disk reads:  64 MB in  3.93 seconds = 16.28 MB/sec

/dev/hdb:
 Timing buffer-cache reads:   128 MB in  1.27 seconds =100.79 MB/sec 
 Timing buffered disk reads:  64 MB in  4.57 seconds = 14.00 MB/sec

/dev/hdc:
 Timing buffer-cache reads:   128 MB in  1.30 seconds = 98.46 MB/sec 
 Timing buffered disk reads:  64 MB in 34.71 seconds =  1.84 MB/sec


Keeping in mind hdb, and hdc, are virtually the same drive, with the
exception that hdc cannot be recognized  by my bios due to its size, and
I've used identical hdparm command lines on them, this seems very odd.
(My board is an ECS P6BX-AP, ECS tech support told me to try the drive in
my 
DFI board, because ECS doesn't support linux.  What a freak)  I've checked
for an updated bios, I even ventured  off into .com.tw, and had no luck. 
I would like very much to increase the performace of this drive.  My cdrom
 currently outperforms it.  I'll include some more info, in case it helps
anyone diagnose/suggest a solution: I did attempt to put the 40GB on
primary slave, with the 27.2 on secondary master.  I could not get the
system to  boot in this configuration.

Excerpts from /var/log/messages:  Mar 22 10:53:16 cd698065-a kernel:
PIIX4: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 39  Mar 22 10:53:16 cd698065-a
kernel: PIIX4: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later  Mar 22
10:53:16 cd698065-a kernel:     ide0: BM-DMA at 0xf000-0xf007, BIOS
settings: hda:pio, hdb:pio  Mar 22 10:53:16 cd698065-a kernel:     ide1:
BM-DMA at 0xf008-0xf00f, BIOS settings: hdc:pio, hdd:pio  Mar 22 10:53:16
cd698065-a kernel: hda: QUANTUM FIREBALL CX13.0A, ATA DISK drive  Mar 22
10:53:16 cd698065-a kernel: hdb: Maxtor 92732U8, ATA DISK drive  Mar 22
10:53:16 cd698065-a kernel: hdc: Maxtor 54098U8, ATA DISK drive  Mar 22
10:53:16 cd698065-a kernel: ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14  Mar 22
10:53:16 cd698065-a kernel: ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15  Mar 22
10:53:16 cd698065-a kernel: hda: QUANTUM FIREBALL CX13.0A, 12416MB w/418kB
Cache, CHS=1582/255/63, UDMA  Mar 22 10:53:16 cd698065-a kernel: hdb:
Maxtor 92732U8, 26059MB w/2048kB Cache, CHS=3322/255/63  Mar 22 10:53:16
cd698065-a kernel: hdc: Maxtor 54098U8, 39082MB w/2048kB Cache,
CHS=4982/255/63, (U)DMA 
-- Cut non-applicable entries, & gnome stuff. The following occurred when
I did 'mount /dev/hdc /mnt/tmp' --
Mar 22 13:20:06 cd698065-a kernel: hdc: timeout waiting for DMA   Mar 22
13:20:06 cd698065-a kernel: hdc: irq timeout: status=0x58 { DriveReady
SeekComplete DataRequest }  Mar 22 13:20:06 cd698065-a kernel: hdc: DMA
disabled  Mar 22 13:20:06 cd698065-a kernel: ide1: reset: success 


hdparm -iI /dev/hda /dev/hdb /dev/hdc: 
/dev/hda:

 Model=QUANTUM FIREBALL CX13.0A, FwRev=A3F.3B00, SerialNo=134918013245 
 Config={ HardSect NotMFM HdSw>15uSec Fixed DTR>10Mbs }
 RawCHS=16383/16/63, TrkSize=32256, SectSize=21298, ECCbytes=4
 BuffType=DualPortCache, BuffSize=418kB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=16
 CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=16514064, LBA=yes, LBAsects=25429824
 IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:120,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120} PIO
 modes: pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4  DMA modes: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1
 *udma2 

 Model=UQNAUT MIFERABLLC 1X.3A0                , FwRev=3A.FB300,
 SerialNo=319481102354          Config={ HardSect NotMFM HdSw>15uSec Fixed
 DTR>10Mbs } RawCHS=16383/16/63, TrkSize=32256, SectSize=21298, ECCbytes=4
 BuffType=DualPortCache, BuffSize=418kB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=16
 CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=16514064, LBA=yes, LBAsects=25429824
 IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:120,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120} PIO
 modes: pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4  DMA modes: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1
 *udma2 

/dev/hdb:

 Model=Maxtor 92732U8, FwRev=RA530JN0, SerialNo=H803AHFC  Config={ Fixed }
 RawCHS=16383/16/63, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=57
 BuffType=DualPortCache, BuffSize=2048kB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=16
 CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=16514064, LBA=yes, LBAsects=53369568
 IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:120,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120} PIO
 modes: pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4  DMA modes: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1
 udma2 udma3 *udma4 

 Model=aMtxro9 72238U                          , FwRev=AR35J00N,
 SerialNo=8H30HACF              Config={ Fixed } RawCHS=16383/16/63,
 TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=57 BuffType=DualPortCache,
 BuffSize=2048kB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=16 CurCHS=16383/16/63,
 CurSects=16514064, LBA=yes, LBAsects=53369568 IORDY=on/off,
 tPIO={min:120,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120} PIO modes: pio0 pio1
 pio2 pio3 pio4  DMA modes: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 *udma2 udma3
 udma4 

/dev/hdc:

 Model=Maxtor 54098U8, FwRev=DA620CQ0, SerialNo=K8033FEC  Config={ Fixed }
 RawCHS=16383/16/63, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=57
 BuffType=DualPortCache, BuffSize=2048kB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=off
 CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=16514064, LBA=yes, LBAsects=80041248
 IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:120,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120} PIO
 modes: pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4  DMA modes: mdma0 mdma1 *mdma2 udma0
 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 

 Model=aMtxro5 04898U                          , FwRev=AD26C00Q,
 SerialNo=8K30F3CE              Config={ Fixed } RawCHS=16383/16/63,
 TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=57 BuffType=DualPortCache,
 BuffSize=2048kB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=16 CurCHS=16383/16/63,
 CurSects=16514064, LBA=yes, LBAsects=80041248 IORDY=on/off,
 tPIO={min:120,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120} PIO modes: pio0 pio1
 pio2 pio3 pio4  DMA modes: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 *udma2 udma3
 udma4 

I appoligize for the size of my post, but I thought it might be helpful to
be thorough in my explanation of the problem  as I see it.

-- Curtis Magyar
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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From: William Ng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: cdrom problem
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:36:38 -0800

Hi,

I have a 166MHZ IBM-Aptiva system,and I am having
some problem with the cdrom. I think my system
recongized the cdrom as indicated during boot up:

hdc: MATSHITA CR-583, ATAPI CDROM drive
ide1 at 0x170-0x177, 0x376 on irq 15
...
hdc: ATAPI 8X CD-ROM drive, 128kB Cache
Uniform CDROM driver Revision: 2.54

However, when I try to mount it as root with

% mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /cdrom

It responded:

mount: block device /dev/hdc is write-protectec, mounting read-only
mount: No medium found

Here is my /dev/hdc looks like:

brw-r----- 1     root    disk    22,    0 May 8    1995     /dev/hdc

which looks ok to me.

Also,  at the end of dmesg, there are some apparently related messages.
I hope someone can give me some help.

ATAPI device hdc:
Error: Not ready -- (Sense key=2x02)
 Unable to recover table of contents -- (asc=0x57, ascq=0x00)
 The failed "Test Unit Ready" packet command was:
 "00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00"
ATAPI device hdc:
Error: Not ready -- (Sense key=2x02)
 Unable to recover table of contents -- (asc=0x57, ascq=0x00)
 The failed "Test Unit Ready" packet command was:
 "1b 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00"
cdrom: open failed.
ATAPI device hdc:
Error: Not ready -- (Sense key=2x02)
 Unable to recover table of contents -- (asc=0x57, ascq=0x00)
 The failed "Test Unit Ready" packet command was:
 "00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00"
VFS: Disk change detected on device ide1(22,0)

Please help.

Thanks.

-William Ng




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From: "CBA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Telnet problem
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:46:43 GMT

Everytime i want to acces my linux computer with telnet i get:
"telnetd: All network ports are in use."

Any1 can help me on this one ?

thnx



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: IDE controller cards with >= 4 *independent* controllers?
Date: 22 Mar 2000 14:37:15 -0500

I think I posted this before, but I'll ask again.

I'd like to try software RAID5 under Linux.

Does anyone know if there are any IDE contoller cards that have more
than two controllers on them.  The more the better, but at least four
*independent* controllers (ie., not just slave drives) would be great.
There must be a market for something like this...

Thanks,
    Richard

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From: "Lesley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Newbie sound problem on Debian with CMI8738 chip
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:33:24 +1200

ok ok, so this isn't about the CMI Chipset, but it's to do with the dodgey
VIBRA 16 Chipset....*sign* this is what happens:

modprobe sound.o
modprobe soundcore.o
modprobe uart401.o
modprobe sb.o io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 dma16=3

error message : something about not finding 16bit DMA channel

FACT: /usr/src/linux/Documentation/sound/VIBRA16 states that there are TWO
8bit DMA's (yea, very wierd).According to the doc, this config should work,
but.....
mpg123 some_copyed_song.mp3

error message : cant find /dev/dsp

here is the output from /proc/sound

OSS/Free:3.8s2++-971130
Load type: Driver loaded as a module
Kernel: Linux The_Ugly_Stick 2.2.14 #1 Thu Mar 23 03:05:51 CHAST 2000 i586
Config options: 0

Installed drivers:

Card config:

Audio devices:
0: Sound Blaster 16 (4.16)

Synth devices:

Midi devices:

Timers:
0: System clock

Mixers:
0: Sound Blaster

can anyone help me on this one. REDHAT 6.1 does detect it fine, but I've
moved to Debian 2.1, kernal 2.2.14 (debian 2.2 as soon as there are cd
images and it becomes "stable")

thanks

Pat



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From: "Lesley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Making Music with my SoundBlaster 64 AWE.
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:39:19 +1200


<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8b70m1$jkm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> How do I get my SoundBlaster 64 AWE to transmit music?  I have the
> software in Linux (RH 6.0[?]) to play CD's and such, but no music comes
> out of the boxes when I try it.  Help?
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

ok, try sndconfig that should do the trick in 95% of cases, else.....
download 6.2 (I think thats the latest version out), heak, I could even send
you the cd if you needed. Also, Is it ISA or PCI? if its ISA, the type

pnpdump > /etc/isapnp.conf

and then run isapnp

BUT FIRST TRY SNDCONFIG ;-)

good luck (you're going to need it) :-)
Pat



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From: "olli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: XCom ISDN Creditcard
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:43:11 -0800

Does it work with the linux kernel 2.2.13.
I have a slackware system, how to I configure it?



olli




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From: Ian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Noisy LINUX?
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:39:54 GMT

It is a high frequency sound that seems to be produced by the monitor.
When the monitor/video card switches between video modes, during logout,
the sound disappears.  The monitor is a 1998 Acer 17" monitor (model
77s).  I don't know if it is considered old.  Should I try setting my
resolution to a lower setting?  Right now, it is at the recommended
maximum resolution for this monitor.

Ian


In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Brian Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> where is the sound coming from?
> have you changed the video mode at bootup and your monitor is humming?
> (I've had older monitors be quite noisy)
> -Brian
>
> Ian wrote:
>
> > I just installed LINUX on my home PC and there is a rather loud buzzing
> > or humming that I hear every time I boot up LINUX. I do not hear this
> > sound when I run Windows 98. Have any of you had similar experiences
> > after a new installation of LINUX and, if so, do you know of any easy
> > fixes?
> > I thought that it may be due to my display adapter or monitor or hard
> > disk? Any suggestions?
> > Thank you.
>
>


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: "Jim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Serious harddisk problem
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:58:48 -0500

Most hdds I expect to last for years. providing there is no overheating
probems in the case.
It seems like most drives are rated in the 500,000 hours range MTBF ( mena
time between failures )  which works out to considerably longer than the 7
months you are speaking of.
The drive may be one of a "bad batch" :-((  Happens sometimes.

Jim

Bernhard Mogens Ege wrote in message ...
>>>>>> "Jeff" == Jeff Shipman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> I suggest you make some archives and invest in a new
>> HD. The 'klonk' definitely isn't a good sign and you
>> don't want to keep pushing it until it dies for real.
>
>Hmmm, getting old fast. It's only 7 month old. Hasn't been stoppped
>since, though.
>
>Should I expect a longer life for a HD?
>
>regards,
>
>Bernhard Ege



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From: "Jim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Logitech MouseMan Wheel and Netscape
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:00:57 -0500

ahhhh, that is what it is ...I thought the drivers for the mouseman + didn't
work at all, but I use KDE...it acts erratically and only seems to respond
to two buttons :-(

Jim

Ferdinand Badescu wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Dear hardware gurus:
>
>The scrolling wheel from my Logitech MouseMan Wheel+/FirstMan+ works OK
>in Gnome, but doesn't work in Netscape (and for this matter, it doesn't
>work in KDE, either). In other words, I cannot scroll in Netscape using
>the wheel.
>
>Do you know why this happen and what's the remedy to the problem?
>
>Thank you.
>
>Ferdi.
>
>--
>Ferdi(nand) Badescu
>- Developm. Technician-
>- Lecturer -
>Physics & Astronomy Dept.
>Univ. of California, Irvine
>Irvine, CA 92697-4575
>Tel:    949-824-8094
>
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From: "Steve Snyder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Steve Snyder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Which IDE RAID controllers supported by Linux v2.2?
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:54:11 GMT

Any testimonials or pointers to FAQs will be appreciated.

Thank you.


***** Steve Snyder *****




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