Linux-Hardware Digest #559, Volume #12 Mon, 27 Mar 00 14:13:10 EST
Contents:
Re: RH6.1 and VIA KX133 based motherboards (Henrik Becker)
My serial port ttyS3 doesn't work ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Web Camera (bgeer)
Re: Sound card problem: Ensoniq ES1371 audio PCI-97 chip set (Michael Kelly)
Re: Matrox Millenium G400 (Robie Basak)
VIA and UDMA 66 (Walter Zimmer)
IDE zip Drives (Ralph Blach)
Re: NMC-7VAX Mainboard+Sound on board not working (Rod Smith)
Re: IDE zip Drives (Dances With Crows)
RH6.1 and Adaptec 19160 (Thayer Andrews)
Modem worked in corel linux but not in Mandrake (James)
Re : Sound : no sound with Ensoniq pc1371 and Mandrake 6.1 (david dubois)
Re: sound programming in linux (Steve Feil)
k6 ("Pete")
Linux hardware organizations (Steve Feil)
Re: Linux modem...... (Edward Lee)
Re: Best Video Card w/tv/mpeg2/dvd/capture for SuSE /FreeBSD? ("Alex Lam.")
Re: Where can I download these files... (Steve Feil)
Re: True requirements for Lexmark Optra Color 40 SIMMs? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: Henrik Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RH6.1 and VIA KX133 based motherboards
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:22:14 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thayer Andrews wrote:
> Does anyone out there have any experience with this setup?
> Specifically I'm looking at the EpoX EX-7KXA (I think I got
> that right) motherboard with an Athlon 700. I've read quite
> a few good reviews of this board (and the KX133 chipset) but
> none of them mention Linux compatibility.
>
> Any info you could provide would be much appreciated.
Got the 700 Athlon on the new Gigabyte 133 board. Great! Just don't get the
new SB 128 pci - new chip. not supported yet.
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Henrik Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | http://www.HenrikBecker.de
support FREE SOFTWARE www.KDE.org www.WINDOWMAKER.org www.LINUX.org
dt. J-Pilot Handbuch fertig: http://www.henrikbecker.de/jpilot
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.redhat
Subject: My serial port ttyS3 doesn't work
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:08:12 GMT
I have been trying for some time without success to
get my "ttyS3" port to work. I'm stumped. Can
anyone help me? Here are some details...
I have a Pentium 200 PC, configured with Windows 98
SE on one partition, and Red Hat Linux 6.1 on another,
with:
- two IDE buses with two hard-drives, one CD-ROM,
and a 100MB internal IDE ZIP drive
- a soundblaster AWE32 card (also with an unused
IDE bus)
- two builtin "COM" ports and one "LPT1" port (no
PS/2 mouse port - although Linux detects one)
- one recently added ISA 2 port serial card
- connected to the serial ports:
- one standard serial mouse
- USR 56K external (true hardware) modem
- cradle for Palm V
- connected to the printer port: HP Deskjet 520
- Creative Labs 3D graphics blaster (Rendition
Verite 1000)
I tried to add two ports with a cheap and simple
non-pnp ISA 2-port serial card.
The serial card is "Manhattan Products", but I don't
have much more information than that. There is a
9-port and 25-port connecter and they are 16550A
UARTs with 16 byte FIFO buffers which support data
flow rates up to 57600. My "Users Manual" is a
one-half page diagram with jumper instructions.
I configured the jumpers to use IRQ 9 (Linux reports
as 2) for "ttyS2" and IRQ 10 for "ttyS3".
I configured the jumpers to use the standard io port
addresses 0x3e8 ("ttyS2") and 0x2e8 ("ttyS3"),
which correspond to COM3 and COM4 in DOS.
I have the Red Hat 6.1 Linux distribution, using
the compiled kernel "Cartman"
from the CD distribution (2.2.12-20).
I have selected "Gnome" as the default desktop.
Although every HOWTO recommends recompiling your
custom kernel for performance reasons, etc., I
haven't done it yet, but I don't think it's required
to get the ports to work. It looks like the kernel
serial driver supports 4 ports by default, and it
does see something. The serial driver is version
4.27 with MANY_PORTS MULTIPORT SHARE_IRQ enabled.
Linux correctly finds and recognizes the ttyS2 and
ttyS3 ports as 16550A UARTs. I created a
"/etc/rc.d/rc.serial" to use "setserial" to assign
the right IRQ's. After a reboot, a "setserial -g
/dev/ttyS*" shows it works.
I don't think I have an IRQ conflict. I use
"setserial" to configure the ports to use IRQ 9
and 10, which match the hardware jumpers on the card.
I also tried "setserial" setting the IRQ to 0, so that
polling would be used, as recommended in the HOWTO for
determining if there is an IRQ conflict, but it did
not help. The information in "/proc/interrupts"
looks right.
I don't think I have any IO-port address conflict. In any
case, I disabled loading of the sound module, and the
isapnp configuration to see if the Sound Card conflicted,
but with no improvement. I can't imagine anything else
which would conflict. The information in "/proc/ioports"
looks right, although I can't be too sure. I was confused
with a device "MPU401-UART" at address 0x330, which looked
like it conflicted with the soundcard, but now I think
it is the soundcard (like a synthesizer port or something).
The card works perfectly under Windows 98 SE, even at
115200 (although my documentation says data rates up
to 57,600), which should rule out any hardware problems
with the serial port card, cable, or external devices.
Using the Device Manager, I can see it uses the same
serial drivers for COM3 and COM4, as for COM1 and COM2.
As much as I hate to say it, under Windows 98, after
installing the card, I was up and running only two
reboots later (one to manually find my non-pnp card,
and the second one to see the modem connected through
it).
My only diagnostic tools are my external modem,
and my Palm cradle. I can get both of these devices to
work using the built-in "ttyS1" port, with minimal setup.
Specifically, it's not necessary to do any high-level
configuration using "stty" when using "ttyS1".
Because both devices work with "ttyS1", this leads me to
believe that these programs: "minicom", the "Redhat PPP
dialer", and the "kPilotDaemon" issue all the necessary
commands to configure the baud rate and flow control
settings.
However, both of these devices fail to work when they
are connected to "ttyS3". It looks like characters only
go one way, with no response.
When I connect the modem to "ttyS1", I send "AT" with
minicom, and it says "OK".
When I connect the modem to "ttyS3", I tried sending
"AT" with minicom. No response, and the port is now
frozen.
When I connect the Palm cradle to "ttyS1", and run the
"kPilotdaemon" (seems to work using the Gnome Desktop
too), I get a standard window which pops up, goes through
the normal synchronization messages, and then dissappears.
It works, as I can then use "kOrganizer" to see new
calendar entries, etc.
When I connect the Palm cradle to "ttyS3", I just get a
"Waiting to synchronize" message, and then the application
freezes and the port freezes. I have to "nuke" or
"kill -9" the processes to free up the port.
When I do an "lsof /dev/ttyS*" I don't see any applications
using the ports in question. I do see "X" is using the
mouse at "/dev/ttyS0".
I can see characters are getting through. If I do commands
like "od -c < ttyS3", I can see garbage characters at the
terminal, when I press the "Sync" button on the cradle.
They look like the same characters if I repeat the test
at ttyS1.
When I look in "/proc/tty/driver/serial", I can see
some status on ports. Specifically it looks like
with the Palm that I receive characters but never
transmit anything back to the palm. If I remember
correctly though, I can transmit characters when I
use minicom to my modem.
When I run "statserial ttyS3", I can see that the
initial state is that the lines "RTS", "DSR", and
"DTR" are set to one. When I push the synchronize
button on the palm cradle, then "CTS" changes from
0 to 1.
The owner of all "ttyS*" devices is "root".
The group is "tty".
The protection is usually 660 with two exceptions:
- if I run "kPilotDaemon" as a normal user, I need
to change the protection to 666 before it works.
- When I start an X-session (a gnome-session) as
"ray" (my normal non-superuser account), the
protection of "ttyS3" changes. The owner becomes
"ray" and the protection is "600". I can not
explain this, as I don't know of anything which
should change the settings. I always start the
"kPilotDaemon" manually. When I log out, and
start an X-session as "root", the original protection
and ownership is restored.
I did lot's of research in various Linux newsgroups,
and it seems most people have problems with ttyS3
ports because they have Winmodems which work under
Windows configured as COM4. This is not my case.
I'm stumped. Anyone have any other ideas? I'm
investigating why the ownership of "ttyS3" changes
when I start an X-session as "ray", which is the
only thing I don't understand (except why the
port doesn't work).
I guess "ttyS2" doesn't work either, but I haven't
tested it, because it is a 25-pin connector and
I have devices which use a 9-pin connector.
Thanks for any help,
rkarmo
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (bgeer)
Subject: Re: Web Camera
Date: 27 Mar 2000 10:29:19 -0700
"Nathan Appleton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>http://www.linhardware.com/db/dispproduct.cgi?DISP?543
>"Dave Shrimpton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:8bg4fo$vb8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Can anyone recommend a good Web Camera that is supported on a Compaq
>> server running Red Hat Linux Ver 6.0..
>>
>> Many Thanks..
>>
>>
>> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>> Before you buy.
Take a look at:
http://webcam.sourceforge.net/
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From: Michael Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sound card problem: Ensoniq ES1371 audio PCI-97 chip set
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:23:56 -0500
On Sun, 26 Mar 2000 23:28:39 -0500, Niann Shiang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>> I cannot get my Sound card to work! I'm running SuSE Linux 6.3.
>> I just recently purchased a Dell Dimension. I have:
>>
Hmmmmmm, I have a Gateway and just did
insmod /x/x/x/es1371.o (where the x's are directories to the module
files.. I'm not in Linux at the moment.)
and bingo!
do lsmod and see what it gives for sound drivers.
On my system when I did insmod es1371.0 it loaded
as the sound core driver and everything started working.
Mike
--
"I don't want to belong to any club that would have me as a member."
-- Groucho Marx
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robie Basak)
Subject: Re: Matrox Millenium G400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 28 Mar 2000 01:47:21 GMT
On Sun, 26 Mar 2000 07:12:03 -0500, Dale Pontius said:
>In article <38dd747a$5$ovryyvat$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> Two questions in serial:
>>
>> Does anyone have the G400 working in Linux? I have SuSE 6.3 and will
>> probably be using KDE if not X11.
>>
>Yep, no problems.
>
>> Iff you have the G400 can you adjust the vertical refresh rate to
>> something (anything) other than 60Hz? 72Hz or better would be optimal,
>> IMO.
>>
>X picks the highest-frequency modeline that the hardware can
>handle. Unfortunately, my monitor couldn't handle some of what
>the card could, so I had to comment a few out. But there doesn't
>appear to be a Windows-like way to adjust, at least not with
>xf86config.
If all you want is to increase the refresh rate, then AFAIK you can
just increase the dot-clock appropriately (I believe there's a HOWTO
on this; see linuxdoc.org).
Robie.
>
>Dale Pontius
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From: Walter Zimmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: VIA and UDMA 66
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:44:06 +0200
Hi !
Any comment's on VIAs datasheet of the super south bridge ?
It mentions UDMA 66, but only 33MBit/s transfer rate. Did
VIA really spoil this or can anyone confirm faster transfer
rates via IDE ?
Cheers,
Walter
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From: Ralph Blach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: IDE zip Drives
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:54:14 -0500
Does Linux support IDE zip/jazz drivers?
Thanks
Chip
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: NMC-7VAX Mainboard+Sound on board not working
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:16:13 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Martin Zabadal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi
> I have NMC 7VAX Athlon KX133 Sound on Board-Mainboard and
> Athlon 600MHz.
> Now I am running on Suse-6.3 and compiled kernel 2.2.13Suse with
> via8cxxxx module for sound. When I look with lsmod all modules (sb,
> uart401, via8cxxxx)
> are loaded. I get in console window no error messages. But I get no
> sound from my speakers.
> Where is the problem. Can someone help me please ?
I can make no promises, but if your motherboard is like my Compaq Presario
notebook in this respect, you'll have much better luck with a recent ALSA
driver. I've got more information on my experiences on my web page:
http://www.rodsbooks.com/presario/
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux networking & WordPerfect for Linux
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: IDE zip Drives
Date: 27 Mar 2000 13:20:45 EST
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:54:14 -0500, Ralph Blach
<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
shouted forth into the ether:
>Does Linux support IDE zip/jazz drivers?
ZIP drives are supported in all their formats; IDE/ATAPI internal drives,
SCSI internal and external drives, and parallel-port external drives.
This has been true for at least a year and a half. JAZ drives are always
SCSI as far as I know, and as such, they're supported like any other SCSI
disk.
Kernel 2.2.5 had some problems with ZIP drives; these problems were fixed
a long time ago. Kernel 2.2.5 shipped with RedHat 6.0 and SuSE 6.1,
probably others... but you will want something more recent anyway.
Some people have reported problems with very old ZIP drives that are IDE
but not ATAPI. These older drives report their geometry as 512/16/24 (or
something--the 512 is the telltale sign), while newer drives are 96/64/32.
Reads and writes work fine with older drives, but you might have trouble
ejecting the disk.
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows \###| Programmers are playwrights
There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| Computers are lousy actors
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Lusers are vicious drama critics
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| BOFHen burn down theatres.
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From: Thayer Andrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RH6.1 and Adaptec 19160
Date: 27 Mar 2000 18:30:45 GMT
Does anyone have any experience with the Adaptec 19160
under RH6.1? It sounds pretty sweet but it's not listed
on Redhat's compatibility page. If it's not supported
I guess I'll just go with some flavor of the 2940.
Thanks in advance for any info.
-Thayer
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From: James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Modem worked in corel linux but not in Mandrake
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:30:30 GMT
I used to use Corel Linux but have now changed to mandrake 7.0
instead, When I was using Corel linux I could use my modem But in mandrake
whenever I try to connect to the internet I get a message saying either;
"Modem is busy." or.
"Sorry cannot open port."
I have tried selecting all the different devices in kppp but nothing
works. Does anyone know how to fix this?
Help would be much appreciated.
JL
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From: david dubois <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re : Sound : no sound with Ensoniq pc1371 and Mandrake 6.1
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:25:32 +0000
[root@yuki ddubois]# lsmod
Module Size Used by
ppp_deflate 42468 1 (autoclean)
bsd_comp 4144 0 (autoclean)
ppp 21036 2 (autoclean) [ppp_deflate bsd_comp]
slhc 4468 1 (autoclean) [ppp]
vfat 11036 0 (unused)
fat 32960 0 [vfat]
es1371 25888 0
soundcore 3748 4 [es1371]
On Sun, 26 Mar 2000 13:59:59 +0000, david dubois
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>but I can't find the file Readme.linux.
>
>So, can somebody tell me where is exactly the problem?
What's the output from lsmod?
Mike
--
"I don't want to belong to any club that would have me as a member."
-- Groucho Marx
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From: Steve Feil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: sound programming in linux
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:31:06 -0600
Vlado Stefanovski wrote:
>
> What's the easyiest way to program the sound card in linux?
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The easyiest way is to get a command line sound player program and
call that program from your program.
Example:
system("acmesoundplayer the_sound_i_want_to_hear.wav);
This will have limitations, but it is the eaiest way.
If you want to have access to a full sound API
(application program interface) try
http://www.alsa-project.org/
--
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Steven Feil | Gram-pa, back at the turn of the .~.
Programmer/Developer | century, why did people use an /V\
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | operating system, when they were not // \\
| allowed to see the source code? (X_X)
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From: "Pete" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: k6
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 03:37:30 +0200
unterst�tzt der Standard-Kernel 2.2.14 den k6 oder muss ich einen anderen
bei der Installation angeben? Danke
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From: Steve Feil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux hardware organizations
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:38:01 -0600
I'm starting a list of groups/organizations that write hardware
specific drivers for Linux. The basic goal is to find out what hardware
drivers have been written for Linux. This list includes groups that
write kernel-level drivers and non-kernel drivers. It does not have to
be a Linux only group, for instance XFree86 also runs under BSD.
I would like to include groups that write open-source drivers as well
as closed-source ones. By including linux.org, this effectively
includes all groups who's source code is part of the standard kernel.
If a group writes drivers that are outside of the standard kernel I
would like to hear about them.
I'm current interested only in hardware that runs on Intel and PPC
based systems.
** Linux Kernel **
Linux
www.linux.org
LinuxPPC
www.linuxppc.org
** Loadable Kernel Modules **
Advansed Linux Sound Architecture
http://www.alsa-project.org/
Linux PCMCIA
http://pcmcia.sourceforge.org/
** Non-kernel Drivers **
XFree86
http://xfree86.org/
Precision Insight
http://www.precisioninsight.com/
S.A.N.E.
http://www.mostang.com/sane/
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Steven Feil | Gram-pa, back at the turn of the .~.
Programmer/Developer | century, why did people use an /V\
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | operating system, when they were not // \\
| allowed to see the source code? (X_X)
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From: Edward Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux modem......
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:11:32 -0800
I just got a used 56K ISA modem (TI DSP) for $20, someone probably upgraded
to a PCI junk modem. This hardware modem works fine with linux. Look for
ISA modems with lots of coils and chips, especially with a DSP.
Becker Cuellar wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.hardware Pete <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : Just finished installing Linux on my old 486 computer.What I need is a
> : modem that will work.Any ideas?The modems that I installed are not
> : recognized.I try a 56k and a 33.6.No good.Thank you
>
> Check the list at
> http://www.o2.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html
>
> Cheers
>
> Becker Cu�llar
>
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From: "Alex Lam." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Best Video Card w/tv/mpeg2/dvd/capture for SuSE /FreeBSD?
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:08:03 -0800
Nathan Appleton wrote:
>
> Check out the ratings at Linux Hardware Database
> (http://www.linhardware.com):
>
> Graphics Cards:
> http://www.linhardware.com/db/searchproduct.cgi?_catid=8
> Video/TV Cards:
> http://www.linhardware.com/db/searchproduct.cgi?_catid=17
> CD/DVD Drives:
> http://www.linhardware.com/db/searchproduct.cgi?_catid=14
>
Thx for the links. I'll check.
Alex Lam.
> "Alex Lam." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Hi,
> >
> > Building a new multi-media entertainment box.
> >
> > What is the best and reasonable priced video card (around $250.us)
> > for Linux kernel 2.2.x, or FreeBSD3.x?
> >
> > My preferal linux distro is SuSE. (have official 6.3 CD set and
> > FreeBSD 3.3 CD set.) But can't find info on either sites' hardware db
> > about the hauppauge based tv card - which I think is supported by linux
> > at least.
> >
> > How about ATI Rage Fury AGP 32MB 128BIT TV-OUT card?
> >
> > Toshiba or Creative DVD drive? (play back mpeg movies with XMOVIE
> > 1.3. Had an old Creative Dxr2-but it just dies.)
> >
> > Or any other advice/suggestions are welcomed.
> >
> > Thx.
> >
> > Alex Lam.
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From: Steve Feil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x.video
Subject: Re: Where can I download these files...
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:47:10 -0600
Jim Morrissey wrote:
>
> libnewt.so.0.50
> libpopt.so.0
>
> Can anyone tell me what package(s) they are in?
>
> TIA,
>
> -Jim
If your using rpm package format I would sugest
http://rufus.w3.org/linux/RPM/index.html
I beleve libnewt.so.0.50 is part of the basic RH6.1 install.
===================================================================
Steven Feil | Gram-pa, back at the turn of the .~.
Programmer/Developer | century, why did people use an /V\
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | operating system, when they were not // \\
| allowed to see the source code? (X_X)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.periphs.printers
Subject: Re: True requirements for Lexmark Optra Color 40 SIMMs?
Date: 27 Mar 2000 18:46:36 GMT
In comp.periphs.printers Grant Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I did a "inkjet and postscript and color" search on my database of
> printers, and got only these:
> HP |DeskJet 1600Cm |http://www.hp.com/cposupport/prodhome/dj1600m.html
> HP |DeskJet 1200C/PS|http://www.hp.com/cposupport/prodhome/dj1200c.html
> Lexmark|Optra Color 45 |http://www.lexmark.com/printers/inkjet/OptraColor/45.html
> Lexmark|Optra Color 40 |http://www.lexmark.com/printers/inkjet/OptraColor/40.html
> The 1200C's Postscript option has been discontinued. Furthermore,
> HP's postscript implementation has never been accused of being really
> good. (To be fair, it varies wildly from printer to printer; some use
> Adobe, some use a clone, etc; the Postscript inkjets are just so far
> out of the HP mainline that I'm skeptical).
> There are probably a few others out there for which there is a
> Postscript option; if you find any, please let me know so I can keep
> an eye on them!
I think Tektronix had has (had?) some inkjets with Postscript.
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