Linux-Hardware Digest #260, Volume #13 Tue, 18 Jul 00 19:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: Upses and ATX motherboards under SUSE (Christian =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=F6hlich?=)
Re: Please help me evaluate this hardware's compatability with Linux (Frank Patrum)
Re: Please help me evaluate this hardware's compatability with Linux (Frank Patrum)
Re: Please help me evaluate this hardware's compatability with Linux (Frank Patrum)
Re: Please help me evaluate this hardware's compatability with Linux (Frank Patrum)
Re: 1U case? (Mark Slicks)
Re: 1U case? (Mark Slicks)
Re: netgear print server PS110 w/ two printers? (Peter Teuben)
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From: Christian =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=F6hlich?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Upses and ATX motherboards under SUSE
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:31:15 +0200
Hi Stefan!
Depending on the Mainboard you're using, there might be an option in
BIOS-Setup like 'system up on power up' or similar. Be sure to have that
one enabled.
Bye, Christian
Stefan Viljoen wrote:
> We run SUSE on a server at work that is BackUPS'ed. The UPS software runs
> fine, shutting down the system cleanly on running out of battery power.
> However, the system never again powers up on its own cause it's got one of
> these damn "intelligent" ATX boards. So you have to physically be there to
> hit the power button to get it to start up again. Ridiculous! Our penny
> pinching management will not shell out to get a "proper" server, so is there
> anyway to circumvent this problem and get an ATX board to power up again on
> reapplication of power to the powersupply, instead of appointing someone to
> physically hit the "soft" power switch on the sever to crank it up again?
--
Christian Froehlich / Damage Data Systems GbR
http://www.rz.uni-frankfurt.de/~chrifroe
Where the hell do you wanna go tomorrow?
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From: Frank Patrum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Please help me evaluate this hardware's compatability with Linux
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:32:44 -0400
try the URL www.linhardware.com this is a pretty extension database of supported
hardware with ratings by users.
Frank
phil ossifer wrote:
> Help! I did a dumb thing. Bought a system intending to run Linux on it
> without checking out these groups first. I know I 've transgressed greatly, but
>
> it is a bit late for recriminations.
>
> I have the system on 15-day appoval, but the approval ends Saturday and I will
> lose internet access as well as be tied up on a family emergency until the
> Friday, so I am kind of frantic.
>
> Sorry to be so needy, but responses like "check this URL" or "call the company"
> just won't hellp me. I've paionted myself in a corner and damn well know it.
>
> I know from my experience helping C programming newbies out in the DOS days the
> reaction to folks who ask but don't seem willing to work at an answer. Sorry,
> but I can't help it now.
>
> The system is an Athlon Slot A Barebones system put together by Vextrec
> Technologies(VTI) and is sold specially through Fry's electronics. The
> motherboard is either an Epox 7KXA or a DTK computer VAM-0070 (some confusion
> here - the bios identifier corresponds to an Epox 7KXA, but the documentation
> with the system is for a DTK VAM-0070 board. The label on the box calls it a:
>
> ATX DTK-VAM-0070 EP-7KXA VIA 133 AGP CHIPSET. FSB200 / ULTRA DMA 66 /
> ... / 1 AMR AGP SLOT 4X / AC97 AUDIO / 56 FLEX MODEM (almost certainly a
> winmodem) / 10-100 NET CARD / FLOPPY DRIVE.
>
> The BIOS is:
>
> Award Modular BIOS v6.00PG
> 04/25/2000-8371-686A-6A6LKPAAA9C-00
>
> This is a _nice_ system. No crappy low-end misfitsting hardware, cheapie parts,
> etc (except the winmodem, natch).
>
> I am very inclined to keep it, especially now that I got it up and running DOS
> smoothly. I'd recommend it to anyone looking for an inexpensive high-end
> system ($399 for Case, MB, and Athlon 700MHZ (bare) CPU -- IF it turns out the
> manufacturer doesn't stonewall the Linux development community!
>
> The biggest fly in the ointment so far: All configuration software requires
> W95+. And certain features like "soft off" are documented to be available only
> through W95.
>
> VIA had a DOS version of the Ultra 66 driver on their web site, but no mention
> of Linux to be found on Vextrec's , DTK's, Epox's or Via's.
>
> Does anyone know if these manufacturers are under non-disclosure with MS? Do
> you forsee any problems (other than the winmodem) getting the drivers or at
> least the info to write drivers to use the features of this
> chipset/motherboard/BIOS?
>
> I hope to load Corel Linux (chosen because it is supposedly geared to "easy
> install" to "learn the ropes" then move to either Suse, Mandrake, or another
> "heavyweight" distribution later.
>
> But by Friday I will need to decide to keep the system or chuck a couple of
> week's work and start from scratch. What would you knowledgeable folk do?
>
> Some other bits:
>
> The network card actually mentions Linux on the software disk! Wonder of
> wonders. The source code for the driver is there (rtl8139.c by Donald Becker.),
> but the only instalation instructions are Red Hat and Slackware. Is it safe
> to presume that with some help from here it will install on Corel/Suse/ or
> Mandrake.
>
> The video cards I bought are Creative Labs Savage 4 AGP (S3 Savage 4 128-bit
> chipset) and KASER Trio-8 (S3 Trio3d/2d chipset). Neither manufacturer
> mentions Linux on their website nor would tech support offer any information
> about Linux drivers. Is the information needed available to the driver
> development team(s) or is Creative and KASER stonewalling them? Would you
> suggest returning these?
>
> Could anyone recommend a PCI video card with good Linux support _and_
> drivers for Win3.x (I need this until I get fully up to speed on LInux.)
>
> The Hard Drive is a WD Ultra 66. No biggie, but I see their "break the 8GB
> barier" software recognizes W9x/NT/OS-2 as other possible partitions, but no
> mention of Linux. Is there a possible problem here?
>
> The CDROM is a PINE PT-948A. Seems kind of standard, thing comes right up
> under DOS ( and "old" DOS is supported! good sign, no?). But of course no
> mention of Linux to be found in the documentation.
>
> If I had it to do over, the decision would be clear: research thoroughly
> first. But now I have over a hundred hours invested in this system, and
> cashed in a boatload of brownie points to get a really nifty hardware type to
> help put the thing together.
>
> So, being a "programmer with a soldering iron",
> I'd really like to keep an already running system it if it will be feasable to
> run Linux on it. Anyone have good experiences with VTI/DTK/EPOX/AWARD/VIA
> regarding information disclosure to the Linux development community? Anyone
> have any BAD experience?
>
> I know none of you can make the decision for me. Can any of you offer guidence
> to help me make it?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Phil
------------------------------
From: Frank Patrum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Please help me evaluate this hardware's compatability with Linux
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:33:12 -0400
try the URL www.linhardware.com this is a pretty extension database of supported
hardware with ratings by users.
Frank
phil ossifer wrote:
> Help! I did a dumb thing. Bought a system intending to run Linux on it
> without checking out these groups first. I know I 've transgressed greatly, but
>
> it is a bit late for recriminations.
>
> I have the system on 15-day appoval, but the approval ends Saturday and I will
> lose internet access as well as be tied up on a family emergency until the
> Friday, so I am kind of frantic.
>
> Sorry to be so needy, but responses like "check this URL" or "call the company"
> just won't hellp me. I've paionted myself in a corner and damn well know it.
>
> I know from my experience helping C programming newbies out in the DOS days the
> reaction to folks who ask but don't seem willing to work at an answer. Sorry,
> but I can't help it now.
>
> The system is an Athlon Slot A Barebones system put together by Vextrec
> Technologies(VTI) and is sold specially through Fry's electronics. The
> motherboard is either an Epox 7KXA or a DTK computer VAM-0070 (some confusion
> here - the bios identifier corresponds to an Epox 7KXA, but the documentation
> with the system is for a DTK VAM-0070 board. The label on the box calls it a:
>
> ATX DTK-VAM-0070 EP-7KXA VIA 133 AGP CHIPSET. FSB200 / ULTRA DMA 66 /
> ... / 1 AMR AGP SLOT 4X / AC97 AUDIO / 56 FLEX MODEM (almost certainly a
> winmodem) / 10-100 NET CARD / FLOPPY DRIVE.
>
> The BIOS is:
>
> Award Modular BIOS v6.00PG
> 04/25/2000-8371-686A-6A6LKPAAA9C-00
>
> This is a _nice_ system. No crappy low-end misfitsting hardware, cheapie parts,
> etc (except the winmodem, natch).
>
> I am very inclined to keep it, especially now that I got it up and running DOS
> smoothly. I'd recommend it to anyone looking for an inexpensive high-end
> system ($399 for Case, MB, and Athlon 700MHZ (bare) CPU -- IF it turns out the
> manufacturer doesn't stonewall the Linux development community!
>
> The biggest fly in the ointment so far: All configuration software requires
> W95+. And certain features like "soft off" are documented to be available only
> through W95.
>
> VIA had a DOS version of the Ultra 66 driver on their web site, but no mention
> of Linux to be found on Vextrec's , DTK's, Epox's or Via's.
>
> Does anyone know if these manufacturers are under non-disclosure with MS? Do
> you forsee any problems (other than the winmodem) getting the drivers or at
> least the info to write drivers to use the features of this
> chipset/motherboard/BIOS?
>
> I hope to load Corel Linux (chosen because it is supposedly geared to "easy
> install" to "learn the ropes" then move to either Suse, Mandrake, or another
> "heavyweight" distribution later.
>
> But by Friday I will need to decide to keep the system or chuck a couple of
> week's work and start from scratch. What would you knowledgeable folk do?
>
> Some other bits:
>
> The network card actually mentions Linux on the software disk! Wonder of
> wonders. The source code for the driver is there (rtl8139.c by Donald Becker.),
> but the only instalation instructions are Red Hat and Slackware. Is it safe
> to presume that with some help from here it will install on Corel/Suse/ or
> Mandrake.
>
> The video cards I bought are Creative Labs Savage 4 AGP (S3 Savage 4 128-bit
> chipset) and KASER Trio-8 (S3 Trio3d/2d chipset). Neither manufacturer
> mentions Linux on their website nor would tech support offer any information
> about Linux drivers. Is the information needed available to the driver
> development team(s) or is Creative and KASER stonewalling them? Would you
> suggest returning these?
>
> Could anyone recommend a PCI video card with good Linux support _and_
> drivers for Win3.x (I need this until I get fully up to speed on LInux.)
>
> The Hard Drive is a WD Ultra 66. No biggie, but I see their "break the 8GB
> barier" software recognizes W9x/NT/OS-2 as other possible partitions, but no
> mention of Linux. Is there a possible problem here?
>
> The CDROM is a PINE PT-948A. Seems kind of standard, thing comes right up
> under DOS ( and "old" DOS is supported! good sign, no?). But of course no
> mention of Linux to be found in the documentation.
>
> If I had it to do over, the decision would be clear: research thoroughly
> first. But now I have over a hundred hours invested in this system, and
> cashed in a boatload of brownie points to get a really nifty hardware type to
> help put the thing together.
>
> So, being a "programmer with a soldering iron",
> I'd really like to keep an already running system it if it will be feasable to
> run Linux on it. Anyone have good experiences with VTI/DTK/EPOX/AWARD/VIA
> regarding information disclosure to the Linux development community? Anyone
> have any BAD experience?
>
> I know none of you can make the decision for me. Can any of you offer guidence
> to help me make it?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Phil
------------------------------
From: Frank Patrum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Please help me evaluate this hardware's compatability with Linux
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:33:43 -0400
try the URL www.linhardware.com this is a pretty extension database of supported
hardware with ratings by users.
Frank
phil ossifer wrote:
> Help! I did a dumb thing. Bought a system intending to run Linux on it
> without checking out these groups first. I know I 've transgressed greatly, but
>
> it is a bit late for recriminations.
>
> I have the system on 15-day appoval, but the approval ends Saturday and I will
> lose internet access as well as be tied up on a family emergency until the
> Friday, so I am kind of frantic.
>
> Sorry to be so needy, but responses like "check this URL" or "call the company"
> just won't hellp me. I've paionted myself in a corner and damn well know it.
>
> I know from my experience helping C programming newbies out in the DOS days the
> reaction to folks who ask but don't seem willing to work at an answer. Sorry,
> but I can't help it now.
>
> The system is an Athlon Slot A Barebones system put together by Vextrec
> Technologies(VTI) and is sold specially through Fry's electronics. The
> motherboard is either an Epox 7KXA or a DTK computer VAM-0070 (some confusion
> here - the bios identifier corresponds to an Epox 7KXA, but the documentation
> with the system is for a DTK VAM-0070 board. The label on the box calls it a:
>
> ATX DTK-VAM-0070 EP-7KXA VIA 133 AGP CHIPSET. FSB200 / ULTRA DMA 66 /
> ... / 1 AMR AGP SLOT 4X / AC97 AUDIO / 56 FLEX MODEM (almost certainly a
> winmodem) / 10-100 NET CARD / FLOPPY DRIVE.
>
> The BIOS is:
>
> Award Modular BIOS v6.00PG
> 04/25/2000-8371-686A-6A6LKPAAA9C-00
>
> This is a _nice_ system. No crappy low-end misfitsting hardware, cheapie parts,
> etc (except the winmodem, natch).
>
> I am very inclined to keep it, especially now that I got it up and running DOS
> smoothly. I'd recommend it to anyone looking for an inexpensive high-end
> system ($399 for Case, MB, and Athlon 700MHZ (bare) CPU -- IF it turns out the
> manufacturer doesn't stonewall the Linux development community!
>
> The biggest fly in the ointment so far: All configuration software requires
> W95+. And certain features like "soft off" are documented to be available only
> through W95.
>
> VIA had a DOS version of the Ultra 66 driver on their web site, but no mention
> of Linux to be found on Vextrec's , DTK's, Epox's or Via's.
>
> Does anyone know if these manufacturers are under non-disclosure with MS? Do
> you forsee any problems (other than the winmodem) getting the drivers or at
> least the info to write drivers to use the features of this
> chipset/motherboard/BIOS?
>
> I hope to load Corel Linux (chosen because it is supposedly geared to "easy
> install" to "learn the ropes" then move to either Suse, Mandrake, or another
> "heavyweight" distribution later.
>
> But by Friday I will need to decide to keep the system or chuck a couple of
> week's work and start from scratch. What would you knowledgeable folk do?
>
> Some other bits:
>
> The network card actually mentions Linux on the software disk! Wonder of
> wonders. The source code for the driver is there (rtl8139.c by Donald Becker.),
> but the only instalation instructions are Red Hat and Slackware. Is it safe
> to presume that with some help from here it will install on Corel/Suse/ or
> Mandrake.
>
> The video cards I bought are Creative Labs Savage 4 AGP (S3 Savage 4 128-bit
> chipset) and KASER Trio-8 (S3 Trio3d/2d chipset). Neither manufacturer
> mentions Linux on their website nor would tech support offer any information
> about Linux drivers. Is the information needed available to the driver
> development team(s) or is Creative and KASER stonewalling them? Would you
> suggest returning these?
>
> Could anyone recommend a PCI video card with good Linux support _and_
> drivers for Win3.x (I need this until I get fully up to speed on LInux.)
>
> The Hard Drive is a WD Ultra 66. No biggie, but I see their "break the 8GB
> barier" software recognizes W9x/NT/OS-2 as other possible partitions, but no
> mention of Linux. Is there a possible problem here?
>
> The CDROM is a PINE PT-948A. Seems kind of standard, thing comes right up
> under DOS ( and "old" DOS is supported! good sign, no?). But of course no
> mention of Linux to be found in the documentation.
>
> If I had it to do over, the decision would be clear: research thoroughly
> first. But now I have over a hundred hours invested in this system, and
> cashed in a boatload of brownie points to get a really nifty hardware type to
> help put the thing together.
>
> So, being a "programmer with a soldering iron",
> I'd really like to keep an already running system it if it will be feasable to
> run Linux on it. Anyone have good experiences with VTI/DTK/EPOX/AWARD/VIA
> regarding information disclosure to the Linux development community? Anyone
> have any BAD experience?
>
> I know none of you can make the decision for me. Can any of you offer guidence
> to help me make it?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Phil
------------------------------
From: Frank Patrum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Please help me evaluate this hardware's compatability with Linux
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:35:03 -0400
check out www.linhardware.com for a searchable database of supported hardware. I
wouldn't dump this system just yet.
Frank
phil ossifer wrote:
> Perhaps to clarify the preceeding message a tad: I just learned friday what a
> "win modem" was by reading these groups, as well as the NDA and "afraid to cross
> MS syndrome" of the makers of such. I was disgusted, then panic set in: Is
> there such a thing as a "winmotherboard, a winchipset, a winbios", and if there
> is did I just buy one?
>
> Do I have a winharddrive, a wincdrom, a wimvideo board? These are the questions
> I need answered. Not too much dinero tied up on the CDROM, video card, winmodem
> (ugh why tie up a $200 processor with such mundane chores?) so these can be
> written off to experience, but the processor, ram, and 30GB hard drive are
> another matter....
>
> I am willing to work. To write drivers after I learn Linux programming even.
> But only if I can get specs. My days of blind hacking are long gone -- I've
> played all the "adventure" that I wish to in this lifetime.
>
> Thanks for any assistence
>
> Phil
------------------------------
From: Mark Slicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.hardware
Subject: Re: 1U case?
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:29:02 GMT
Both Intel and Tyan has ATX motherboards fit in most 1U
ATX chassis that has vedio, audio, network, all built-in.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Frisch) wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:09:58 GMT, Dave Paton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >A small celery with intrgrated sound and video was only $50 or so. I
don't need
> >extremem performance, just enough to serve a few pages a day.
>
> Sorry, my apologies, I was thinking of "NLX" motherboards when I
> posted. I believe this is what will be required to fit in a 1U
> case. microATX is basically ATX with integrated video and a limited
> number of slots. The profile is essentially the same as regular ATX.
>
> Mike.
>
>
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Before you buy.
------------------------------
From: Mark Slicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.hardware
Subject: Re: 1U case?
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:27:18 GMT
http://www.atxcase.com/news.html saying that they will have 1U
and 2U rackmount chassis for much less. The 1U chassis with
power supply is only $258 and the 2U is $228 w/o power supply.
That is a lot cheaper than others. I called them and the
shipping date is a month from now.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I know they're all the rage now, but I can't seem to find a 1U
rackmount
> chassis for my microATX skt370 mobo for a reasobnable price. Everyone
> wants US$300 or more for about $20 is metalwork. I'm trying to build a
> small webserver on the cheap (poor college student), and here's what I
> need:
>
> microATX mobo compatible
> 1x PCI slot (yep, riser card)
> 3x 3.5" bays (HDs & floppy...I might be able to go with 2 bays here)
> 1x 5.25 bay (CD)
> $200ish with power supply
>
> Is that too much to ask?
>
> And if it is, can someone forward me the location/source for the specs
> of the microATX mobos (rear panel layout and mounting hole layout) so
I
> can send them off to my metalworker friend to have him price (ack!)
the
> case out?
>
> Thanks
>
> -dave
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> --
> Remove the obvious spamblocking to reply
>
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
------------------------------
From: Peter Teuben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: netgear print server PS110 w/ two printers?
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:47:28 -0400
John Bay wrote:
> Have you tried specifying the logical ports (L1 and L2) instead of the
> physical ports?
Just tried it....same result, only prints to the first printer. I used
:rp=L2:\
and also removed the otherwise redundant if= filter line,
since it's a straight through (postscript) printer.
I wonder where you found the P1,P2,L1,L2 info...maybe there is more
there
that I could try out.
I've sent a message to the helpdesk at netgear, maybe they know. I'll
report
here if something useful comes out of that.
- peter
>
> Peter Teuben wrote:
>
> > I have been using a netgear PS110 print server with one printer, but I
> > don't seem to be able to talk to the second. Somebody once
> > told me to use the rp= directive in /etc/printcap for this,
> > so the printcap would look as follows:
> >
> > ps:\
> > :sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp:\
> > :mx#0:\
> > :sh:\
> > :rm=192.168.1.101:\
> > :rp=P1:\
> > :if=/var/spool/lpd/lp/filter:
> > ps2:\
> > :sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp:\
> > :mx#0:\
> > :sh:\
> > :rm=192.168.1.101:\
> > :rp=P2:\
> > :if=/var/spool/lpd/lp/filter:
> >
> > but all traffic sent to 'ps2' still winds up on the first (ps)
> > printer...
> >
> > btw, it works fine from my wife's Windows box, she can send to P1 and
> > P2.
> >
> > - peter
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