Linux-Hardware Digest #418, Volume #13           Mon, 14 Aug 00 11:13:09 EDT

Contents:
  sound card not working ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: getting dsl, what h/w should i get? (Marc D. Williams)
  Re: Modem Problem - help required ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  SB64 and Slackware. (Cob)
  AMD and Pentium (sanjeev)
  Re: AMD and Pentium ("Peter T. Breuer")
  Re: AMD and Pentium (Eric Dondelinger)
  ATA66 ("Serguei  Vassiliev")
  Re: sound problem in Mandrake 7.0 (Derek Austin Harkins)
  SCSI cdrom player pauses when playing audio ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Intel D815EEA APM and sound problems (Jan Wielemaker)
  Re: SB64 and Slackware. (mst)
  Re: ATA66 (Kenneth R�rvik)
  Re: KVM Mouse Problems (James Garrison)
  Re: deleted partition table ("Elliot")
  Re: AMD and Pentium (sanjeev)
  Re: AMD and Pentium (Eric Dondelinger)
  Re: ATA66 ("SergejV")
  Re: KVM Mouse Problems-Solved (James Garrison)
  kernel: eth0: mismatched read page pointers  0 vs <-- No Solutions ? 
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  kernel: eth0: mismatched read page pointers  0 vs <-- No Solutions ? 
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  DSI 3635: winmodem or not? ("Andy Robinson")

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: sound card not working
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:02:19 GMT

Hi.  I have a PCI sound card model, YMF-744B [DS-1S Audio Controller]
and I have tried using sndconfig and it says that this sound card is not
supported.  I have also installed alsa driver and it also says that my
sound card is not supported.  Can anyone help?  Thanks.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marc D. Williams)
Subject: Re: getting dsl, what h/w should i get?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:22:00 GMT

On Mon, 7 Aug 2000 07:03:18 -0700, Ray Tayek wrote:
>
>i am about 18,000 feet away, looks like i can get idsl from covad or 
>northpoint. i am looking at isp's in the area. anyone out there in (562)-
>272 land (lakewood)?
>
For the southern California area pick up a copy of Microtimes (available
from almost everywhere, especially 7-11 stores) for ads from a boatload
of ISPs/DSL providers serving our area.
The also have an ISP list online.

http://www.microtimes.com/

-- 
>>ANIME SENSHI<<

Marc D. Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.oldskool.org/~tvdog/ -- DOS Internet & Tandy 1000
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Platform/8269/ -- Win3.x Makeover

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Modem Problem - help required
Date: 14 Aug 2000 08:22:00 -0400

Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Using RedHat 6.1 and Hayes Accural Internal modem. The problem is really
> with the ISP (its a free 0800 one with BT). My problem is that occasionally
> (once a week) I am disconnected from the ISP (its as thou' their connection
> has timed out or summat?) and occasionally this disconnection causes my
> modem to become "stuck" i.e. unable to hang itself up. I have tried forcing
> ATZ via minicom but it seems the only way I can get the modem to reset
> itself is to reboot the server.

Try, in minicom, typing:

+++

(not too fast or slow - no RETURN after it)
If you get an OK response then:

ath

(the triple plus sign is the escape code - but it only works if it is sent
 not too fast or slow, so that it won't kill things if there plus signs
 appear in data you download - that should put the modem in command mode
 where you can type the ath - hangup command)

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From: Cob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: SB64 and Slackware.
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:35:47 GMT

Hi,

I used to run Mandrake, but since I got so many rude comments about
it from my friends in IRC I switched to Slackware in order to be a
good citizen. Now I discover there is no utillity to set up your
sound. Sounds very fishy to me.

Can anyone list the modules for Sound Blaster 64 for me ?

I've tried quite a few, but I keep on crashing my kernel by
loading the wrong ones.

So far I know I'd need sb.o, sound.o, soundlow.o, the first two
won't load because they need something more than just soundlow.o,
which does load.

Thanks, Conrado.


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From: sanjeev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: AMD and Pentium
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:04:15 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

For computational purposes , between AMD and Pentium processor of same
clock frequency is better?
Could someone give some insight into it?


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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: AMD and Pentium
Date: 14 Aug 2000 13:24:19 GMT

sanjeev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: For computational purposes , between AMD and Pentium processor of same
: clock frequency is better?
: Could someone give some insight into it?

Read up at the normal sites. tomshardware.com, anandtech.com, etc.

Clock frequency has not a lot to do with anything between different
cpus.

Peter

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From: Eric Dondelinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: AMD and Pentium
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:36:37 +0200

Hi,

sanjeev wrote:
> 
> For computational purposes , between AMD and Pentium processor of same
> clock frequency is better?
> Could someone give some insight into it?

as far as benchmarks show, the AMD Thunderbird is more than a match
for a Pentium III (I'm talking about computation here).
So, if you want a single-CPU PC, go for a Thunderbird (Socket-A).
Still, a dual-Celeron or P3 with high enough frequency will outperform
the Athlon/Thunderbird, so you might want to use Intel if your app
can make use of dual processors.
If you also need lots of RAM, money might be an issue: RDRAM, which
is required for optimum performance with P3s, is extremely expensive.

You might want to have a look at c't magazine's tests, they had nice
comparisons (seeing that your address is from Aachen, I assume you'll
have access to those).
Otherwise there are tons of articles on the web comparing P3 and
Athlon.

Greets & hth, Eric

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From: "Serguei  Vassiliev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ATA66
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:43:15 +0100


well,
lilo strats booting(linux kernel 2.4.0-test6)
it detects thise Promise ATA66 controller
but after it hangs
As I understand it should detect device on 
this controller, but can not.
After just reset machine...

Configuration of my machine:
PIII-555,
HDD: FUJITSU MPF3102AT, 9Gb
CDROM: CD-540E
Memory: 128Mb
Intel 82371AB/EB PCI BUS Master IDE Controller
Promise Technology Inc, Ultra 66 IDE Controller

Regards,
Sergej.


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From: Derek Austin Harkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: sound problem in Mandrake 7.0
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:59:00 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I tried that.  I get the same results no matter where the PNP switch is
set.  Any more ideas?  Thanks anyways.

Austin



On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Bartek Kostrzewa wrote:

:)Derek Austin Harkins wrote:
:)> 
:)> My system setup is as follows:
:)> 
:)> Mandrake 7.0 on:
:)> 733 Mhz P3
:)> 128M ram
:)> Rockwell HCF modem w/built in sound,(yes i know it wont work)
:)> Another sound card that I dont know what is
:)> 
:)> Problem:
:)> Sound will not work at all.  On boot, the loading of the sound modules
:)> FAIL.  When I try to configure my sound card via lothar, I get a message
:)> similar to, "Sound card recognized, as Rocwell chipset, but not
:)> supported."  I tried configuring it as a generic sound blaster and I get
:)> the message, "Devise or resource busy"
:)> 
:)> I think the HCF soundcard may be catching the sound device before it sees
:)> the real sound card and holding it open.  Is there any to 'hide' that HCF
:)> card from the os so it can find the real one?  I am looking for a software
:)> fix before i open the case and pull the card.  I think it voids my
:)> warranyt, but im not sure.  If anyone thinks has any suggestions or just
:)> want to laugh at me, please feel free:
:)> 
:)> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
:)> 
:)> Thanks,
:)> Austin
:)
:)Try desabling PNP OS  (or similar) in your BIOS.
:)
:)-- 
:)Bartek kostrzewa - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
:)<<< http://technoage.web.lu >>>
:)
:)


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: SCSI cdrom player pauses when playing audio
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:58:08 GMT

Hi,

I have an Adaptec SCSI card (pretty sure it is an AIC-7892) on my NEC
cdrom drive, running RH linux 6.2  I have used the drive successfully
to load several large applications.  (My way of saying I know its
working.)  However, when I put in an audio CD and run either gtcd or
kscd I get about 1 second of audio, then the program pauses.  On gtcd
if I go into loop mode, it plays a brief sample (< 1 sec) over and over
without difficulty.  The rest of the sounds I have setup in linuxconf
work fine.

My cdrom is actually mapped to /mnt/cdrom1->/dev/cdrom1->/dev/scd0 I
don't know why, RH install program did this and mapped the RW-cd to
plain old cdrom.  I've tried all these settings in the various
preferences of the gtcd and kscd, always with the same result.
Oh yes, I made sure the protection on all of the files listed in the
first sentence include execution (I did 775)

So I'm guessing this is a scsi related problem?  The channel number is
0, ID is 06 and Lun is 0.

anyone even have any thoughts?




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jan Wielemaker)
Subject: Intel D815EEA APM and sound problems
Date: 14 Aug 2000 13:26:50 GMT

Hi,

I'm trying to get SuSE 6.4 running on a desktop machine around the Intel
D815EEA motherboard.  X11 and ethernet work fine with the drivers supplied
by Intel, but I'd like to get two more featured running.

The AD1885 sound-chip appears to be supported by none of the afternatives
I've looked at: oss (SuSE version and more recent demo), kernel nor alsa.
Did I overlook something?

More serious (I have an old soundcard) is that I liked the STR (Suspend to
RAM) feature of this bord, which was demonstrated on Windows 98 where you
could simply power it on/off using the power button and it got to STR state
and back to normal operation in a few seconds.

So, I installed the SuSE kernel with APM support and apmd.  apm -S seems
to spin down the disk and CPU-fan, but the powersupply-fan keeps running.
Otherwise it works fine.

apm -s brings the system to a complete halt, except for the powersupply
fan. On the board, a small led labelled `STR' becomes visible, so it
looks like the system got into suspend mode.  Power button stops working,
and so does the reset button.  Nothing seems to wakeup the machine and of
course there is no special button on the keyboard.  After some trial and
error I noticed that pressing the power and reset button at the same time
recovered the machine, as expected through a reboot.

Bios power options are `Power management' enabled, Inactivity
timeout disabled, powerdown state S1.

Ideally I'd like to get to a situation where the system is normally
suspended with no fans running (and low power consumption), can quickly
be brought to life from the console and can automatically wakeup at
programmed times and LAN activity.  Any step closer however is welcomed.

Any clues to improve on this are welcome.  Do I need ACPI (and therefore
the 2.4.0 kernel)?  Is there any chance it will work then?

        Thanks --- Jan

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jan Wielemaker                
SWI, University of Amsterdam  
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]    

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From: mst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SB64 and Slackware.
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:10:45 -0400

Cob wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I used to run Mandrake, but since I got so many rude comments about
> it from my friends in IRC I switched to Slackware in order to be a
> good citizen. Now I discover there is no utillity to set up your
> sound. Sounds very fishy to me.
> 
> Can anyone list the modules for Sound Blaster 64 for me ?
> 
> I've tried quite a few, but I keep on crashing my kernel by
> loading the wrong ones.
> 
> So far I know I'd need sb.o, sound.o, soundlow.o, the first two
> won't load because they need something more than just soundlow.o,
> which does load.
> 
> Thanks, Conrado.
> 

I have a SB AWE64 working perfectly under Slackware - unfortunately it's
at home and I'm at work now so I cannot just list the modules here.
Firstly, since it's a PnP card you have to set it up with the
isapnptools: as root do a "pnpdump > /tmp/isapnp.conf", then edit the
file to suit your needs (see the man pages, esp. that of isapnp.conf)
and put it in /etc/isapnp.conf; do a "isapnp /etc/isapnp.conf" to set
the hardware resources on the card (Slack does this automatically at
boot time). Beware, there are a few ports which are not detected by
pnpdump (2 i/o addresses of the wavetable). See details in the
Soundblaster-AWE-mini-HOWTO at:

http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/mini/Soundblaster-AWE

It also contains a very detailed walk-through on setting the SB and
wavetable, and, IIRC, it's aimed primarily at Slackware users.

MST

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Subject: Re: ATA66
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kenneth R�rvik)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:14:36 GMT

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Serguei  Vassiliev) wrote in 
<IFSl5.303$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>well,
>lilo strats booting(linux kernel 2.4.0-test6)
>it detects thise Promise ATA66 controller
>but after it hangs
>As I understand it should detect device on 
>this controller, but can not.
>After just reset machine...
>
>Configuration of my machine:
>PIII-555,
>HDD: FUJITSU MPF3102AT, 9Gb
>CDROM: CD-540E
>Memory: 128Mb
>Intel 82371AB/EB PCI BUS Master IDE Controller
>Promise Technology Inc, Ultra 66 IDE Controller

Hi there! There have been some troubles with the Promise controllers, 
AFAIK. It would be very helpful if you can post the messages given by the 
kernel on startup. (Write down the last 15-20 lines that you can see on 
screen as the kernel hangs) (to find out at exectly what stage the boot 
process stops). I'm guessing, like you say, that the problem occurs while 
trying to detect the drive.

I had a similar problem on my K6-2 400, waiting for 2.4.0-test1 solved it. 
test5 runs just fine on my setup now. 
-- 
Kenneth R�rvik          91841353/22718452
Steenstrupsgate 5 B     [EMAIL PROTECTED]
0554 OSLO               home.no.net/stasis

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From: James Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: KVM Mouse Problems
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:18:39 -0500

PS/2 Mouse.  It works fine with the mouse plugged in directly...
In both cases I'm using the same type of mouse.

Denver Timothy wrote:
> 
> What kind of mouse is it?
> --

-- 
James Garrison                                Athens Group, Inc.
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]                    5608 Parkcrest Dr
http://www.athensgroup.com                    Austin, TX 78731
PGP: RSA=0x04B73B7F DH/DSS=0x70738D88         (512) 345-0600 x150

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From: "Elliot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: deleted partition table
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:25:28 GMT

There is a Linux program called gpart that is capable of finding your old
partitions. I found the program on my Suse CD's, but I'm sure you will be
able to find it at one of the Linux sites. My partitions were trashed on my
hda drive. I used gpart /dev/hda, gpart found the partitions and I was able
to restore them using gpart /dev/hda /dev/hda. It worked perfectly.
Elliot

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:3997c917$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Sean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > However, not being too bright, I managed to delete the partition table
using
> > the linux fdisk on a 1G Jazz drive that had a single dos partition on
it.  No
> > changes have been made since.
>
> Let's see ... I don't know what freeware programmes are available, but,
> for example, Norton Utilities Disk Editor, treating the hard drive as a
> physical drive - you should be able to browse it (it has a lot of sectors
> though!) to find where partitions start and at least recover data
> (probably only data that is in plain text files on defragged sections).
>



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From: sanjeev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: AMD and Pentium
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:30:11 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Can u please indicate web site of c's magazene web address?

Eric Dondelinger wrote:

> Hi,
>
> sanjeev wrote:
> >
> > For computational purposes , between AMD and Pentium processor of same
> > clock frequency is better?
> > Could someone give some insight into it?
>
> as far as benchmarks show, the AMD Thunderbird is more than a match
> for a Pentium III (I'm talking about computation here).
> So, if you want a single-CPU PC, go for a Thunderbird (Socket-A).
> Still, a dual-Celeron or P3 with high enough frequency will outperform
> the Athlon/Thunderbird, so you might want to use Intel if your app
> can make use of dual processors.
> If you also need lots of RAM, money might be an issue: RDRAM, which
> is required for optimum performance with P3s, is extremely expensive.
>
> You might want to have a look at c't magazine's tests, they had nice
> comparisons (seeing that your address is from Aachen, I assume you'll
> have access to those).
> Otherwise there are tons of articles on the web comparing P3 and
> Athlon.
>
> Greets & hth, Eric


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From: Eric Dondelinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: AMD and Pentium
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:44:44 +0200

sanjeev wrote:
> 
> Can u please indicate web site of c's magazene web address?

http://www.heise.de/ct/

Be aware that it's in german.
You should be able to find the paper version in RWTH's library.
Check specifically c't #14 (no online version of the article).
http://www.heise.de/ct/00/14/088/ has a more general article
about AMD vs Intel.

Greets Eric

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From: "SergejV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ATA66
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:43:06 +0100

Here are some last strings:

...
Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE Driver Revision: 6.31 
ide:Assuming 33Mhz system bus speed for PIO modes; 
override with idebus=xx 
PIIX4: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 39 
PIIX4: chipset revision 1 
PIIX4: not 100% native mode: with probe irqa later 
ide0:  BM-DMA at 0xf000-0xf007, hda:DMA; hdb:DMA 
ide1:  BM-DMA at 0xf008-0xf00f, hdc:DMA; hdd:DMA 
PDC20262: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 60 
PDC20262: chipset revision 1 
PDC20262: not 100% native mode: with probe irqa later 
PDC20262: ROM enabled at 0xe5000000 
PDC20262: (U)DMA Burst Bit ENABLED Primaryy PCI Mode Secondary PCI Mode 
ide2:  BM-DMA at 0xe400-0xf407, hde:pio; hdf:pio 
ide3:  BM-DMA at 0xf408-0xf40f, hdg:DMA; hdh:DMA 
hda: CD-504E ATAPI CDROM drive 
... 
after machine hangs auntil reseting it




In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Kenneth R�rvik) wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Serguei  Vassiliev) wrote in 
> <IFSl5.303$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
>>well, lilo strats booting(linux kernel 2.4.0-test6) it detects thise
>>Promise ATA66 controller but after it hangs As I understand it should
>>detect device on  this controller, but can not. After just reset
>>machine...
>>
>>Configuration of my machine: PIII-555, HDD: FUJITSU MPF3102AT, 9Gb
>>CDROM: CD-540E Memory: 128Mb Intel 82371AB/EB PCI BUS Master IDE
>>Controller Promise Technology Inc, Ultra 66 IDE Controller
> 
> Hi there! There have been some troubles with the Promise controllers, 
> AFAIK. It would be very helpful if you can post the messages given by
> the  kernel on startup. (Write down the last 15-20 lines that you can
> see on  screen as the kernel hangs) (to find out at exectly what stage
> the boot  process stops). I'm guessing, like you say, that the problem
> occurs while  trying to detect the drive.
> 
> I had a similar problem on my K6-2 400, waiting for 2.4.0-test1 solved
> it.  test5 runs just fine on my setup now. 



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From: James Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: KVM Mouse Problems-Solved
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:46:46 -0500

GPM was not the problem.  However, when I changed mouseconfig
to generic ps/2 (it was set to intellimouse) everything
started working.  It's strange that it was working with a
directly-connected ps/2 mouse.

Thanks to all of you whose questions pointed me in the
right direction :-)

-- 
James Garrison                                Athens Group, Inc.
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]                    5608 Parkcrest Dr
http://www.athensgroup.com                    Austin, TX 78731
PGP: RSA=0x04B73B7F DH/DSS=0x70738D88         (512) 345-0600 x150

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,alt.os.linux
Subject: kernel: eth0: mismatched read page pointers  0 vs <-- No Solutions ?
Date: 14 Aug 2000 07:01:47 -0700

I was running a RH Box with NE2k PCI Card for almost a year now, but now
suddenly sometimes the eth0 goes dead with a error

kernel: eth0: mismatched read page pointers  0 vs 57. 

Afterwards all communication to/from the eth0 stops, but I can locally ping the
card ip and see it active in the ifconfig and rest of the system is intact.

After searhing archives on many newgroups/mailing lists I found no solutions
posted, only questions posted abt this, so is there any know soultions to this
or does anybody know why it happens atleast ?

Would really apperciate any help

TIA
Ewiz


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,alt.os.linux
Subject: kernel: eth0: mismatched read page pointers  0 vs <-- No Solutions ?
Date: 14 Aug 2000 07:08:43 -0700

More info 

the kernel is(RH6.0) :

Linux Box 2.2.14-5.0 #1 Tue Mar 7 20:53:41 EST 2000 i686 unknown

Driver is :

ne2k-pci.c:vpre-1.00e 5/27/99 D. Becker/P. Gortmaker
http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/drivers/ne2k-pci.html
ne2k-pci.c: PCI NE2000 clone 'RealTek RTL-8029' at I/O 0xe400, IRQ 11.
eth0: RealTek RTL-8029 found at 0xe400, IRQ 11, 00:80:C8:01:30:39.

lsmod :
ne2k-pci                4512   2 
8390                    5956   0  [ne2k-pci]

==============================>
I was running a RH Box with NE2k PCI Card for almost a year now, but now
suddenly sometimes the eth0 goes dead with a error

kernel: eth0: mismatched read page pointers  0 vs 57. 

Afterwards all communication to/from the eth0 stops, but I can locally ping the
card ip and see it active in the ifconfig and rest of the system is intact.

After searhing archives on many newgroups/mailing lists I found no solutions
posted, only questions posted abt this, so is there any know soultions to this
or does anybody know why it happens atleast ?

Would really apperciate any help

TIA
Ewiz


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From: "Andy Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: DSI 3635: winmodem or not?
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:00:33 -0400

Hi, I got a Digicom Systems 3635 modem and I'm not sure if it's a winmodem
or not!  It doesn't say anywhere on the box or the website that it is, and
if anybody out there can help me out, I'd appreciate it.  Also, if you know
where I can get driver's for it, I'd appreciate that too!.  Thanks a lot!
Andy



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