Linux-Hardware Digest #421, Volume #13 Mon, 14 Aug 00 17:13:08 EDT
Contents:
ct-p.com, PolarPC (Dave Sill)
Re: Linux on AMD (Bob Hauck)
Re: Cannon BJC2000 printer (Fritz)
Re: Caldera and SCO, was Linux on AMD (blowfish)
Re: 3com 3ccem556 combo pcmcia card modem won't work (Henrik Carlqvist)
Re: How long does it take for video drivers to appear? (Henrik Carlqvist)
Re: Modem Problem - help required ("Chris")
Re: Can't get IDE controller (IDE3) on SB AWE32 to work ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Are there any that will work with the Intel i810? ("Ingemar Lundin")
Re: Are there any that will work with the Intel i810? ("Ingemar Lundin")
Re: IRQ under Linux (David Hinds)
Re: IRQ under Linux (David Hinds)
Re: Saving and Restring and MBR (John Thompson)
Re: Linux on AMD (blowfish)
Re: Dual NICs of same type? ("Stroller")
Re: Linux on AMD (David C.)
Re: Linux on AMD (David C.)
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From: Dave Sill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ct-p.com, PolarPC
Date: 14 Aug 2000 15:16:29 -0400
Anyone here bought anything from these guys? Found them via
www.linux.org. Prices look good, but I'm hesitant to buy from them
without some idea of their trustworthiness.
--
Dave Sill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <URL:http://web.infoave.net/~dsill>
Oak Ridge National Lab, Workstation Support
"Life with qmail", everything you always wanted to know: <URL:http://lwq.w3.to>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Linux on AMD
Reply-To: hauck[at]codem{dot}com
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:18:58 GMT
On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:06:45 -0700, blowfish
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Do you think Linux distro like Redhat really any better than Windoz?
Why are you here, instead of one of the advocacy groups where this crap
belongs?
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| Codem Systems, Inc.
-| http://www.codem.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fritz)
Subject: Re: Cannon BJC2000 printer
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:23:40 +0200
Hi,
I happened to get a cheap BJC2000 printer, too. No problem with OS/2 and Win
3.1, but I could not find any hint that one can use it with LINUX. So, if you
do get any hint (from anywhere else), please mail me.
Thanks, Fritz
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.unix.sco.misc
Subject: Re: Caldera and SCO, was Linux on AMD
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:32:36 -0700
Tony Lawrence wrote:
>
> blowfish wrote:
>
> > Don't bet too much on Caldera. It's broke, and probably will drag SCO down with
> > it.
>
> I doubt that SCO (as an OS, not necessarily the company)
> needs any assistance in reaching its own demise, at least on
> the OSR5 side anyway :-)
>
> Seriously, I doubt Caldera has any more (and probably less)
> intention than SCO had of keeping OSR5 going very long
> anyway. Unixware may be a different story, but I'm not 100%
> convinced that even that can stand the onslaught of Linux
> forever (forever as a technical computer term meaning 5
> years or so). OSR5 is, of course, a tremendous revenue
> stream, but the structure of the deal has that revenue going
> to SCO, so I don't see where Caldera has any incentive
> anyway. Not that they'll kill it; but I bet it just fades
> away into the sunset..
>
5 years in computer term is like 50 years in human years.
I think it's just a process of elimination of the competitions.
:-)
> One things for sure- this sale is NOT going to help quell
> the apprehensions of current OSR5 customers and app vendors
> who have been wondering whether to move to NT/Linux/Unixware
> or whatever- this sale increases the FUD by several hundred
> percent and will no doubt help that sunset into fast-forward
> mode.
>
Agree. Innovative ideas are worthless until they can be proven to be profitable in
the real world.
> However, I think the purchase could mean very good things
> for Caldera- they pick up a lot of engineering talent, and
> of course source code for things Linux currently doesn't
> have - though who knows how much of that can be turned into
> Open Source- much of it may be entangled by existing
> licenses and contracts, and the agreement of sale also says
> something about SCO maintaining its "intellectual property"-
> if that's source they've developed then what value is it to
> Caldera? I dunno- and yet somebody from Caldera made some
> noise to the effect that OSR5 source would be available-
> maybe talking through his hat or mis-quoted; we'll see.
>
That's for sure. SCO has a lot of good engineers working there.
And has been around, and being accepted by the mainstreams for a long time.
Propietary codes should not matter, as long as they're opensource. I have no
problwm with the way *BSD are doing at all.
In fact. I don'teven believe in GPL everything.
GPL is against the whole idea of a truely free market.
In the real world. What you see (from the press release) is not what you get (as
in from the Wall Street, where the ultimate outcome of the deal will be asserted
from.) ;-)
> One thing that's supposedly important is SCO's large network
> of dealers and distributors, but, as one very small part of
> that network, I can tell you that now that SCO is sold,
> those of us who had been moving toward Linux anyway are just
> going to move that much faster, and there's no compelling
> reason for us to pay any more attention to Caldera than
> anyone else- UNLESS they do something that makes the
> transition for our existing customers easier- but it's
> already pretty darn easy so I'm not sure that's a big
> benefit anyway.
>
Only time can tell.
> As to being broken, I have had contrary and in fact quite
> complimentary reports from other folks, and some industry
> mags seem to think that RH and Caldera are the ones to bet
> on, so I'm at least going to give it a whirl- S'ok if you
> are right, though, cause I've got more than one box here and
> can play with it thoroughly before I go live :-)
>
The industry's mag 's sayings is one thing. But I talked to a few who control the
vc money say otherwise.
There're more than what meets the eyes. There're more and more signs that RH is
moving into embedded appliances, and moving away from Linux OS.
Yes, I have a couple extra boxes just for that purpose too. ;-)
> --
> Tony Lawrence ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> SCO/Linux articles, help, book reviews, tests,
> job listings and more : http://www.pcunix.com
--
- Alex / blowfish.- Just an average, whimpy, non-geek American computer user.
(Have Fun with geek's culture:-Version
2.4-pre-release99999-test-1234567.pre-beta5000.)
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs ==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSzzzzz!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song) Fingerprint -v.i007.bond: Doe1(-a deer, a female deer.)
RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A needle
pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That will bring
us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh.
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From: Henrik Carlqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 3com 3ccem556 combo pcmcia card modem won't work
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:08:03 +0200
Sharshan wrote:
> I'm having difficulty with my 3com pcmcia combo card. the lan portion
> works fine, but the modem will either not dial or gives me back a
> strange noise (clicking) from the card.
Maybe the clicking sound is your modem trying to do pulse dialing. Try
to replace ATDP or ATD with ATDT to get tone dialing.
regards Henrik
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From: Henrik Carlqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How long does it take for video drivers to appear?
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:38:18 +0200
David Thompson wrote:
> I have a new Sony VAIO with an ATI Rage 128 Pro 4XL
> r128 comes with XFree86 4.0.1 but does not yet support this chipset.
> How long does it take for the software folks to catch up to current
> hardware?
This depends...
How many people need this driver and how many of those are skilled
enough to help debugging and developing a driver?
Does the hardware vendor release information on how to program the
device? Sometimes the hardware vendore is unwilling to give out
information or source but sometimes the also write the drivers
themselves.
Try to search for information about any upcoming support at
www.xfree86.org. Maybe ATI or Sony has some web-page with information?
Sometimes it is possible to use the fb-driver until support is included
in XFree86.
regards Henrik
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From: "Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Modem Problem - help required
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:36:57 +0100
Reply-To: "Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Thanks for the feedback guys :)
Thing is - I'll have to wait until it happens again for me to try your
suggestions.
Michael - I have been considereing buying an external modem. Do you have any
recommendations on make/model?
Thanks again,
Chris
M. Buchenrieder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> [...]
>
> >has timed out or summat?) and occasionally this disconnection causes my
> >modem to become "stuck" i.e. unable to hang itself up. I have tried
forcing
> >ATZ via minicom but it seems the only way I can get the modem to reset
> >itself is to reboot the server. This is most annoying and isn't always
> >convienient - this is a working Linux box !
>
> That's what you get for using an internal modem.
>
> >So my questions:
> >(1) Can I specify a modem string to force a hang up when the above
happens.
>
> If the modem gets stuck in such a state, sending any init string will
> show no effect at all.
>
> >If so what should I try?
>
> [...]
>
> Junk it. Internal modems are a pain, and the problem you're encountering
> is one of the more serious reasons against using them. Buy a nice
> external modem that you may simply switch off/on again in case it gets
> stuck.
>
> Michael
> --
> Michael Buchenrieder * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.muc.de/~mibu
> Lumber Cartel Unit #456 (TINLC) & Official Netscum
> Note: If you want me to send you email, don't munge your address.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Can't get IDE controller (IDE3) on SB AWE32 to work
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:35:09 GMT
Well, after much searching on the net, I found a hidden(?) FAQ that
supplied a module (ide2mod) that has fixed the problem.
The module won't load, but it apparently does enough intialization of
the IDE controller that it can recognize my CD-ROM on the SB AWE32 IDE
port.
I'm not sure if this is what I did before to get the CD-ROM to become
recognized on the SB AWE32 IDE port.
One thing to keep in mind that I failed to mention in my earlier post
is when I had this working a while back, my CD-RW was hdd (but because
I was using SCSI emulation, it become scd0) and it was connected and
working at that time with my CD-R on the SB IDE port. If memory serves
me correctly, even the CD-R was identified as a SCSI device when I did
a cdrecord -scanbus command.
Now, I don't have the CD-RW connected to the slave port on ide2
(nothing there right now). Now, the CD-R only gets recognized as a
straight IDE/ATAPI CD drive. When I get my CD-RW back from Acer, can
they both be accessed simultaneously, even though the CD-RW will be
using the SCSI emulation and the CD ROM on the SB will be using
straight IDE/ATAPI? I have the IDE/ATAPI and SCSI emulation drivers
compiled as modules so they can be released if needed. I just wasn't
sure if doing the following will allow the two to co-exist and function
at the same time without some sort of conflict between the IDE and SCSI
modules:
options="hdd=ide-scsi hdg=cdrom"
Thanks!
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "Ingemar Lundin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Are there any that will work with the Intel i810?
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:52:15 GMT
I dont understand exactly what kind of problems that you are you're having..
could you be more specific as what kind of distro you're using and exactly
how the problems are showing?
Regards /IL
> I just purchased a MB with the i810 chipset, thinking that it would be
nice
> to have all the peripherals on the MB, and have had nothing but problems
> running X. I've tried downloading the latest release of XFree86 4.0.1 and
> still get bad results. I'm tired of wasting time trying to get the machine
> to run linux and don't want to spend anymore time downloading source
files,
> tarballs, and rpm's trying to get a windowing environment. Let's not even
> talk about recompiling the kernel for the Linksys LNE100TX ethernet card.
>
> Where can I download, or even purchase at this point, a version of linux
> that will handle the i810 onboard video correctly? MUST HAVE GOOD
DIRECTIONS
> FOR INSTALLING AND TROUBLESHOOTING.
>
> Argh.
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Jeff D. Hamann
> 280 Peavy Hall
> Department of Forest Resources
> Oregon State University
> Corvallis, Oregon 97331-8566 USA
> 541-740-5988
> 541-737-2375
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>
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From: "Ingemar Lundin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Are there any that will work with the Intel i810?
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:52:51 GMT
I dont understand exactly what kind of problems that you are you're having..
could you be more specific as what kind of distro you're using and exactly
how the problems are showing?
Regards /IL
> I just purchased a MB with the i810 chipset, thinking that it would be
nice
> to have all the peripherals on the MB, and have had nothing but problems
> running X. I've tried downloading the latest release of XFree86 4.0.1 and
> still get bad results. I'm tired of wasting time trying to get the machine
> to run linux and don't want to spend anymore time downloading source
files,
> tarballs, and rpm's trying to get a windowing environment. Let's not even
> talk about recompiling the kernel for the Linksys LNE100TX ethernet card.
>
> Where can I download, or even purchase at this point, a version of linux
> that will handle the i810 onboard video correctly? MUST HAVE GOOD
DIRECTIONS
> FOR INSTALLING AND TROUBLESHOOTING.
>
> Argh.
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Jeff D. Hamann
> 280 Peavy Hall
> Department of Forest Resources
> Oregon State University
> Corvallis, Oregon 97331-8566 USA
> 541-740-5988
> 541-737-2375
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>
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From: David Hinds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: Re: IRQ under Linux
Date: 14 Aug 2000 19:53:11 GMT
In comp.os.linux.portable Antony Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: lspci shows that the IRQ the card using is 11, and so does
: the pcmcia controller. lspci also reported that the IRQ 11is
: also using by the SMI811 display card and ESS Maestro 2E
: sound card. I guessed it is the reason why my network is not
: running.
No, that's not the reason.
: Does anyone know how can I change the IRQ of the card ?
In this case, you should not try to change the irq. PCI interrupts
can be shared, and the fact that your sound card and VGA chip are
sharing the same irq is not a problem.
-- Dave
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From: David Hinds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: Re: IRQ under Linux
Date: 14 Aug 2000 19:55:18 GMT
In comp.os.linux.portable J?rgen Winqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: alias eth0 3c575_cb
No, don't do that.
: N.B . When you define ip-adresses, etc you'll have to do that in
: /etc/sysconfig/network, /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 .
(i.e., run "netconf")
-- Dave
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From: John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Saving and Restring and MBR
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:47:19 -0500
Randy Cooper wrote:
> I have noticed a lot of questions regarding recovering lost / damaged
> Master Boot Records (MBR) lately. So I thought it was about time to
> repost this.
>
> You should make a backup copy of your MBR on a bootable floppy disk
> before installing Linux and then again after installing Linux.
Lilo already stores a copy of the previous boot record in a file
(by default
/boot/boot.NNNN where NNNN depends on the device). You can
copy this to a floppy and restore it by running lilo -u
/boot/boot.NNNN after booting linux from the floppy.
--
-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Linux on AMD
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:29:24 -0700
Bob Hauck wrote:
>
> On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:06:45 -0700, blowfish
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Do you think Linux distro like Redhat really any better than Windoz?
>
> Why are you here, instead of one of the advocacy groups where this crap
> belongs?
>
Ouch. A RedHead gets hurt.
It's an open forum. Isn't it? And it's Linux related. ;-)
You're correct. Red hat's crap don't belong to anywhere.
> --
> -| Bob Hauck
> -| Codem Systems, Inc.
> -| http://www.codem.com/
--
- Alex / blowfish.- Just an average, whimpy, non-geek American computer user.
(Have Fun with geek's culture:-Version
2.4-pre-release99999-test-1234567.pre-beta5000.)
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs ==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSzzzzz!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song) Fingerprint -v.i007.bond: Doe1(-a deer, a female deer.)
RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A needle
pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That will bring
us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh.
(c)Copy Righted by Alex / blowfish - 2000. All Rights Reserved.
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From: "Stroller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Dual NICs of same type?
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:43:59 +0100
"Dances With Crows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:17:34 +0100, Stroller wrote:
....
> >
> >I've got a modern Realtek super-cheapo imitation-NE2000 10/100mbit
10-baseT
> >PCI card for my home LAN & have just bought 2nd-hand an apparently
ancient
> >3Com Etherlink III ISA 3C509B which has the 10-base2 connector to fit the
> >cable modeem. ...
>
>BTW, those ancient 3c509s are pretty solid
> cards, and yours just might perform better than the NE2K clone despite
> its being ISA!
Many thanks for your help...! So I guess if the Realtek comes up as eth0
then I just allocate that the 192.168.0.0 (?? someone mentioned 192.168.0.24
on another thread, I think) address on the subnet & ipchains will know what
it's doing...?
Don't worry, I have every confidence the 3Com is the better card - I had to
tone down my description in the original posting, as it was so florid in
it's description of the Realtek's cheapness. In nearly 5 years (under
windows) I can only recall 2 cards ever providing days of inexplicable
installation frustrations, and it's one of them.
Stroller.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David C.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Linux on AMD
Date: 14 Aug 2000 17:06:16 -0400
blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "David C." wrote:
>>
>> The world isn't black and white. You may find it hard to believe,
>> but there actually exist people who don't want to build everything by
>> hand, and yet don't want to run Windows.
>
> There's a very easy solution for that too. :-)
>
> Open/Free-BSD. ;-)
>
> cd to the ports tree,
> Just pick the app you want.
> eg: cd /usr/ports/mysql123.tar.gz
> make ; make install ; make clean
>
> That's it. Everything will be build from source. All dependency files
> fetched, MD5 checked, patched, build, make, install all done
> automatically, and custom tailord, configured to YOUR machine; WITHOUT
> any baby sitting.
This isn't much better than rebuilding Linux.
I don't understand why you consider it to be so evil for somebody else
to pre-compile an operating system and distribute it in binary form.
So it doesn't have every last optimization and tweak that could possibly
be installed. I, for one, really don't care that much.
> And you can CVS to updated the source everynight automatically.
Oh yeah, that takes brains. So every morning, your computer is running
a new version of the system. That's really great way to run a stable
production system.
> Or do a make world to update the whole system.
>
> No pain, no mess. Start it. Go out, go to bed. Find something else to do. ;-)
>
> .RPM sucks big time, anyway.
Unless you want to do something with your life other than maintaining
your OS.
-- David
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David C.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Linux on AMD
Date: 14 Aug 2000 17:07:40 -0400
blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Bob Hauck wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:06:45 -0700, blowfish
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >Do you think Linux distro like Redhat really any better than Windoz?
> >
> > Why are you here, instead of one of the advocacy groups where this crap
> > belongs?
> >
> Ouch. A RedHead gets hurt.
>
> It's an open forum. Isn't it? And it's Linux related. ;-)
>
> You're correct. Red hat's crap don't belong to anywhere.
*plonk*
I've got to get better at spotting these damn trolls...
-- David
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