Linux-Hardware Digest #316, Volume #14 Thu, 8 Feb 01 18:13:08 EST
Contents:
Re: Inexplicable crashing in Slackware and RedHat (Joe Pfeiffer)
Re: Potential fix for Abit BP6 APIC Errors under Linux ("Phil Colbert")
Re: Potential fix for Abit BP6 APIC Errors under Linux (Marc)
Re: modem problems (David Fisher)
Re: Support for 3Com 3C905C NIC ("rdlittle")
hd/floppy problem.. (dave)
scsi and 2.4.1 kernel (SkuMM)
Re: RedHat 6.2???? ("Eric en Jolanda")
Re: ATA100 RAID Question (jwk)
Re: Problems with Netgear fa311 PCI Net Cards (A E Lawrence)
Re: Potential fix for Abit BP6 APIC Errors under Linux ("Adam Warner")
Re: Linux Hand Helds ("Harold F. Bower")
Re: scsi and 2.4.1 kernel (A E Lawrence)
Re: Blank sheet between printjobs (Ken Moffat)
Re: Inexplicable crashing in Slackware and RedHat ("Steve")
Re: Canon Perfection 1640SU Scanner drivers (A E Lawrence)
Re: Support for 3Com 3C905C NIC ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Canon Perfection 1640SU Scanner drivers (Trevor Hemsley)
Re: RH 7.1 beta, USB tape drive and software ("John Smith")
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From: Joe Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware,alt.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Inexplicable crashing in Slackware and RedHat
Date: 08 Feb 2001 10:56:26 -0700
"Ezra N. Harrington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> And about overheating... Is it, in fact, true that a machine cools itself
> better with the case cover on? Mine is usually off since I make hardware
> modifications with relative frequency (and the damn IDE cable sometimes
> un-connects from one of my cdroms). Would it be advantageous for me to
> put it back on? I've heard that the air can flow through the box better
> with the case on, but I'm not sure if that is actually correct. My fans
> appear to be running fine.
I've seen the claim many times... but my Athlon MB has temp sensors,
and runs as much as 5C cooler (both case temp and CPU temp) with the
side panel off my case.
--
Joseph J. Pfeiffer, Jr., Ph.D. Phone -- (505) 646-1605
Department of Computer Science FAX -- (505) 646-1002
New Mexico State University http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~pfeiffer
VL 2000 Homepage: http://www.cs.orst.edu/~burnett/vl2000/
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From: "Phil Colbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.abit
Subject: Re: Potential fix for Abit BP6 APIC Errors under Linux
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 18:59:53 -0000
Hiya :)
<dim>Could u explain how to do this , as i am interested, thx </dim>
Adam Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi all,
>
> BP6 owners are probably aware of "APIC error on CPUx: xx(xx)" error
> messages under 2.4.x.
>
> Since virtual interrupt reassignment is part of the MPS 1.4 specification
> I have tested going back to MPS 1.1. So far no APIC errors. I have only
> tested this for a short while (at high load) and I wonder if this
> workaround also fixes the APIC errors that others experience.
>
> Regards,
> Adam
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From: Marc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Potential fix for Abit BP6 APIC Errors under Linux
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 19:18:52 GMT
Phil Colbert wrote:
> Hiya :)
>
> <dim>Could u explain how to do this , as i am interested, thx </dim>
It's an option in the BIOS...
>
> Adam Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> BP6 owners are probably aware of "APIC error on CPUx: xx(xx)" error
>> messages under 2.4.x.
>>
>> Since virtual interrupt reassignment is part of the MPS 1.4 specification
>> I have tested going back to MPS 1.1. So far no APIC errors. I have only
>> tested this for a short while (at high load) and I wonder if this
>> workaround also fixes the APIC errors that others experience.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Adam
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From: David Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
linux.dev.newbie,linux.redhat.ppp,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: modem problems
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 19:35:21 GMT
In article <UJ0g6.4976$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"rosemary.kidd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The problem is that your modem is a pci Winmodem. These are not true
> modems
> as they require Windows software to operate, thus linux does not detect
> them. This is true for all pci modems. Your best bet is to use an
> external
> modem, which are all compatible with linux.
>
> Dougie
How do you know that?
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From: "rdlittle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Support for 3Com 3C905C NIC
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 14:55:21 -0600
My computer has this card. It works just fine under Linux however, I am
using RH 7.0 Support for this card is an option when configuring for a new
kernel.
Is it possible that Mandrake 7.2 has the same provisions?
- Bob
Ed Hourigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I am at the end of my rope - I cannot get my ethernet card going. The
> card is from 3COM - model 3C905C. I have Mandrake 7.2 distribution (
> 2.2.17 kernel version ). I obtained the driver source from 3com's
> web site and built it. The eth0 interface will not come up using
> this driver. Has anyone else gotten this particular NIC to work w/
> linux?
>
> By building a DEBUG version of the driver, I got the following from
> /var/log/messages after running 'ifup eth0':
>
> Feb 7 22:18:16 Dell01 kernel: init_module: IN
> Feb 7 22:18:16 Dell01 kernel: tc90xbc_ScanDevices: IN
> Feb 7 22:18:16 Dell01 kernel: Tornado NIC found
> Feb 7 22:18:16 Dell01 kernel: 3Com device eth0
> Feb 7 22:18:16 Dell01 kernel: Bus Mastering enabled by BIOS
> Feb 7 22:18:16 Dell01 kernel: Irq = b , IoAddress = dc00
> Feb 7 22:18:16 Dell01 kernel: FillDeviceStructure: IN
> Feb 7 22:18:16 Dell01 kernel: FillDeviceStructure: OUT
> Feb 7 22:18:16 Dell01 kernel: ReadCommandLineChanges: IN index=0
> Feb 7 22:18:16 Dell01 kernel: 3Com 3c90x Version 1.0.0i 1999
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Feb 7 22:18:23 Dell01 kernel: Packet not picked up by the hardware
> Feb 7 22:18:23 Dell01 kernel: NICOpen: TestAdapter failed
> Feb 7 22:18:23 Dell01 dhcpcd[1168]: dhcpStart: ioctl SIOCSIFFLAGS: No
> such device
>
>
>
> The card works fine under WinMe on the same machine.
>
> Help, please!
>
>
>
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From: dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,alt.linux,comp.os.linux
Subject: hd/floppy problem..
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 20:18:54 GMT
I just installed mandrake 7.2(full install not update, previously run
mandrake 7.1) and from time to time get such messages written to the
console:
hdd: the drive reports both 250609664 an 0 bytes as its capacity
ide-floppy: hdd: i/o error, pc = 0, key = 2, asc = 3a, ascq = 0
what can I do to fix it?
thanks, dave
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From: SkuMM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: scsi and 2.4.1 kernel
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 20:35:00 GMT
I just compiled 2.4.1 with scsi support in the kernel, using the
aix7xxx.o drivers to push an Adaptec 29160. here is the problem...
It finds the card, then produces the following loop...
Aborting command due to timeout: pid0 scsi0 channel 0 id 0 lun0 inquiry
00 00 00 ff 00
Scsi host 0 abort (pid 0) timed out - resetting
scsi bus is being reset for host channel 0 - trying harder...
over and over...
Being new to scsi, I don't have a clue as to why this is bombing. I have
heard that the aiz7xxx drivers are incomplete for the 29160, but is is
supposed to run in a degraded fashion.
Anyone have any pointers to help me get this going?
-Mike.
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From: "Eric en Jolanda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RedHat 6.2????
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 21:38:42 +0100
> I have tried to install RH 6.2 on my PC. It does the fips part
> ok...
fips part???
There's no fips part during the install.
Use fips *before* you start the installation
> runs in text mode ok...looks as if it finds the hardware...but, if
> it is run in GUI mode it gets to a point (after the text messages about
> the hardware it found) where the screen changes from the black 'dos'
> looking background to a shorter flickery grey screen. The screen is
> blank! It stays there forever (well 20mins!).
Then use textmode
> I would do it in text mode but when it comes to doing the 3 partitions
> it wouldn't accept what i was putting in.
>
> 16mb /boot
> 64mb /linux swap
> expand /
>
> The expand part i cannot seem to check!
Expand???? Check????
> and the /boot doesn't allow me to add it. (too large?)
I'm really lost now
> I have a lousy monitor that only goes upto a about 1024x768.
That should be no problem
> Does linux have a default value for the resolution when using the GUI
> install mode.
vga?
> Does anyone know what the problem might be?
I don't even know what you did.
Why can't you partition?
What errors do you get?
Eric
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jwk)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: ATA100 RAID Question
Date: 8 Feb 2001 20:44:34 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 08 Feb 2001 09:11:13 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi
> I have bought a ATA-100 RAID Card (use HPT370 chipset) .
>if I run Raid 0+1 ,if one of the Hard Disk have the problem, the System
>should still can Boot, but is that any Program or methods to know/
>monita the harddisk's status!?
>THanks!
>
You should double-check first if Linux supports the Raid feature (well
feature, let's call it the Raid windows driver) of the HPT370. IIRC, it
doesn't.
Good luck,
Jurriaan
--
Time is money. Especially if you make clocks.
GNU/Linux 2.2.19pre8 SMP/ReiserFS 2x1402 bogomips load av: 0.34 0.09 0.02
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From: A E Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Problems with Netgear fa311 PCI Net Cards
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 21:42:28 +0000
Dela Lovecraft wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> I have a problem getting my NetGear FA311 cards going. I know
> it is possible to have them working under Linux, but I need a
> little shove in the right direction....:)
>
> The driver which comes with the cards is waaaay outdated (2.0.x
> kernel), so I downloaded the driver for the 2.2.x kernel, along with
> the necessary files I needed to get a driver - natsemi.c, kern_compat.c
> and pci_driver.* . So far so good.
>
> However I cannot compile them. When I try and do a make for the
> fa311, I get the error that it can't find linux/modversions.h . When
> I compile natsemi.c using the neccessary command line at the bottom
> of the file, it tells me I am wrong....
>
> Can ANYONE give me any pointers (apart from throw them away - I am
> determined to get them going!)
Well, I had much the same attitude, and did eventually get a bunch of
three FA311's working (up to a point) under linux. But the performance
was pathetic. They also failed Netgear's own test software back to back
(cross over cable) under DOS. The performance under doze was also
pathetic. I exchanged them for FA310's which are tulip based and gave
orders of magnitude better bandwidth. I came across suggestions that the
Nat Semi chip was buggy. Maybe the FA311 problems have now been ironed
out, but I continue to hear of people with problems, so I wouldn't bank
on it.
I tried very hard over a period of 3 weeks before deciding the FA311s
had a basic design flaw. I really do not advise you to waste your time
like I did. Yes you can get them limping along, but I would suggest that
you try and exchange them. Or even bin them if you didn't pay too much.
However, if you really insist on getting them going, you need to visit
Donald Becker's site: http://www.scyld.com/network/index.html and read
several documents there. You will find versions of the natsemi driver
that you will be able to get working. But I still think you should do
something more useful with your time :-(
ael
--
Dr A E Lawrence (from home)
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From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.abit
Subject: Re: Potential fix for Abit BP6 APIC Errors under Linux
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 21:43:32 GMT
Hi Phil,
There is a an entry in the BIOS you can change. Its in the "BIOS Features
Setup Menu". The entry is called "MPS Version Control for OS" and allows you
to choose between the MPS 1.1 and MPS 1.4 implementations.
Regards,
Adam
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Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 16:52:20 +0000
From: "Harold F. Bower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Hand Helds
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I am thinking about getting a hand held. I am looking at the standards
> (Palm and visor). I know that there has to be some linux hand helds.
> How do the price / performance compare? What linux ones should I look
> at? Any info would be great.
Have one right here...Agenda's VR3. Native linux, 2.4.0 pre 9 kernel, X
with rxvt WM and ash and bash shells. Still in development, but you can
order the developer's model. Try:
http://www.agendacomputing.com
Runs on two AAA batteries and is smaller than a Palm (at least the ones
I've seen).
Hal
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From: A E Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: scsi and 2.4.1 kernel
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 22:00:40 +0000
SkuMM wrote:
>
> I just compiled 2.4.1 with scsi support in the kernel, using the
> aix7xxx.o drivers to push an Adaptec 29160. here is the problem...
>
> It finds the card, then produces the following loop...
>
> Aborting command due to timeout: pid0 scsi0 channel 0 id 0 lun0 inquiry
> 00 00 00 ff 00
> Scsi host 0 abort (pid 0) timed out - resetting
> scsi bus is being reset for host channel 0 - trying harder...
>
> over and over...
>
> Being new to scsi, I don't have a clue as to why this is bombing. I have
> heard that the aiz7xxx drivers are incomplete for the 29160, but is is
> supposed to run in a degraded fashion.
If you are new to scsi, you need to be very careful with cables and
termination. Check all of that first before suspecting the software. Has
it worked with another version or even another OS?
ael
--
Dr A E Lawrence
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From: Ken Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Blank sheet between printjobs
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 14:11:40 -0800
newsgroup wrote:
>
> Hi!
> After each printjob my printer (HP 970 Cxi) gives out a blank sheet. I use
> SAMBA 2.1 on SUSE 6.0 to share files and printers with Windows machines.
> Can anybody tell me how to solve this problem?
>
> regards
>
> Jimmy
I think when I set up my hp printer I used Webmin on Caldera linux to
choose a driver, and it had a checkbox for "send formfeed between jobs".
I unchecked this; it seems to happen automatically.
--
Ken Moffat
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware,alt.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Inexplicable crashing in Slackware and RedHat
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 14:19:40 -0800
My brother was having thermal problems with an overclocked Celeron. He took
off the case cover and placed a small desktop fan so it blew on the CPU. It
lowered the temp by more than 10 degrees.
Ezra N. Harrington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:981640056.713638@sj-nntpcache-5...
> Well, I'm running memtest86 on my machine at home right now. I guess it
> takes quite a while to run...
>
> No, I don't have an AMD chip. Pentium III 450 MHz.
>
> And about overheating... Is it, in fact, true that a machine cools itself
> better with the case cover on? Mine is usually off since I make hardware
> modifications with relative frequency (and the damn IDE cable sometimes
> un-connects from one of my cdroms). Would it be advantageous for me to
> put it back on? I've heard that the air can flow through the box better
> with the case on, but I'm not sure if that is actually correct. My fans
> appear to be running fine.
>
>
> --
> ____________________________________
> Ezra N. Harrington
> Cisco Systems, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 7025 Kit Creek Road v 919-392-9617
> RTP, NC 27709-4987 f 919-392-4538
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From: A E Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Canon Perfection 1640SU Scanner drivers
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 22:20:16 +0000
artemis wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I am looking to buy a scanner with an adapter so I can scan my slides,
> transparencies and negatives into my PC. The model that fits my
> requirements is the Canon Perfection 1640SU (Photo) Scanner - however,
> it only comes with Windows drivers as far as I know.
If you mean the Epson 1640SU Photo, it works extremely well under linux
with better support than under doze. It has both usb and scsi interfaces
and is provided with a usb cable.
>
> I'm a newbie when it comes to Linux drivers for hardware, if someone
> could offer some advice on how I can overcome this problem, pls let me
> know - also, if they know of any negative/slide scanners with linux
> drivers, I'll be willing to consider them seriously!
If 1600 dpi is enough, the 1640SU does a very respectable job of
scanning slides.
Visit http://www.mostang.com/sane/,
http://freecolormanagement.com/sane/,
http://www1.jump.net/~dnelson/linux/usb/,
and follow the links. This assumes that you will use usb, although you
will need sane regardless.
For scanning capture, xsane, gimp, and xscanimage are among the
possibilities. Gimp is especially good because you can use the colour
management package above (excellent). Only downside is that Gimp does
(did) not support 14-bit per pixel external range. The current xsane
handles 14 bits happily. Of course, even at 8bit/pixel, the scanner
still uses 14 bits internally.
If you are a newbie and decide on usb, you may need to compile a kernel.
2.2.18 or 2.4.1 work fine and are current. But compiling a kernel can be
intimidating for a newbie, mainly because of the overwhelming number of
configuration choices presented. Read the HOWTOs and try it. However,
you will want to apply two small patches to
linux/drivers/usb/scanner.{c,h} for the 1640.
Examine linux/drivers/usb/scanner.c and insert the 1640SU entry if it is
not already there:-
/* Seiko/Epson Corp. */
{ 0x04b8, 0x0101 }, /* Perfection 636U and 636Photo
*/
{ 0x04b8, 0x0103 }, /* Perfection 610 */
{ 0x04b8, 0x0104 }, /* Perfection 1200U and
1200Photo */
{ 0x04b8, 0x010a }, /* Perfection 1640SU and
1640SUPhoto */
Alternatively, you can pass these values as module parameters by a line
in
/etc/modules.conf:-
options scanner product=0x10a vendor=0x4b8
And in scanner.h:-
Look for RD_NAK_TIMEOUT and make sure that it is at least 20. I use 40:-
#define RD_NAK_TIMEOUT (40*HZ) /* Number of X seconds to wait */
When you configure the kernel, perhaps using "make xconfig", select
CONFIG_USB=m -- compile USB as a module
CONFIG_USB_DEBUG=y -- probably a good idea until everything is
workng
CONFIG_USB_DEVICEFS=y
CONFIG_HOTPLUG=y -- you will only want to turn the scanner on
-- occasionally, if only to save the lamp life
CONFIG_USB_UHCI=m -- if this is what your mbrd needs
CONFIG_USB_SCANNER=m
CONFIG_PROC_FS=y -- useful for checking.
(Those are for 2.2.18. 2.4.1 are similar)
ael
--
Dr A E Lawrence (from home with apologies for spam enhanced reply
address)
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Support for 3Com 3C905C NIC
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 23:28:55 +0100
Ed Hourigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[of the 3c806c]
> Did you do anything 'special' to get it to work? Other than install
> linux, I mean. Also, what type of hardware are you using it on (CPU,
> etc ) Kernel version?
(please reply BELOW the quote, making plain which parts you are
replying to by cutting and editing as necessary .. netiquette)
The 3c905 has been supported since it came out, for at least 5 years.
The 3c905C is supported by all current kernels. There is a new
card from 3com, the 3c905CX, as far as I recall, that is not yet
supported because of some issues with the interface description
from 3com. I.e. it's missing or wrong. Ask Donald Becker (the/an
author) the details.
If it doesn't work, and it's a 3c905c, it's a hardware issue. Move the
card to a busmastering slot.
>>This card works fine under almost any linux install, including Mandrake 7.2
>>using the standard 3Com 3c59x module. I am using it under Mandrake now and
>>"Ed Hourigan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>> I am at the end of my rope - I cannot get my ethernet card going. The
>>> card is from 3COM - model 3C905C. I have Mandrake 7.2 distribution (
>>> 2.2.17 kernel version ). I obtained the driver source from 3com's
Use the kernel driver, not 3com's.
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trevor Hemsley)
Subject: Re: Canon Perfection 1640SU Scanner drivers
Date: 8 Feb 2001 22:48:01 GMT
On Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:27:41, artemis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I am looking to buy a scanner with an adapter so I can scan my slides,
> transparencies and negatives into my PC. The model that fits my
> requirements is the Canon Perfection 1640SU (Photo) Scanner - however,
> it only comes with Windows drivers as far as I know.
Hmmm, be careful of this. This sounds like a flatbed scanner with a
film adapter? They aren't usually very good quality if that's what
you're looking for. Flatbed's are probably good enough to scan neg's &
slides for display on a web page but not for printing at decent sizes
- for that you need a dedicated film scanner. These are more expensive
but work pretty well.
> I'm a newbie when it comes to Linux drivers for hardware, if someone
> could offer some advice on how I can overcome this problem, pls let me
> know - also, if they know of any negative/slide scanners with linux
> drivers, I'll be willing to consider them seriously!
Check http://www.hamrick.com for an application called Vuescan. I use
it here under Linux with a Nikon Coolscan III (LS30) attached to an
Adaptec 2906 PCI SCSI controller. It's shareware and runs on 'doze,
Mac and Linux. Does a pretty good job for me. I'm in the middle of
scanning my entire slide & neg colection and transferring it to CD. Ed
Hamrick seems very helpful and would probably tell you about your
favoured scanner. He hangs out on comp.periphs.scanners quite a lot as
well...
--
Trevor Hemsley, Brighton, UK.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
From: "John Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RH 7.1 beta, USB tape drive and software
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 22:36:39 GMT
What about "man tar"... ?
"Nathan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3a82df4b$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi,
>
> I have a Compaq EP with RedHat 7.1 beta (2.4 kernel) and a Seagate USB
tape
> drive. The system does recognize theF reecom hub and drive (/dev/st0) and
> it shows up in the usbview utility. All I need is some software or
utility
> that can write to the drive. I've attempted to use taper and Amanda with
no
> success. Has anyone tried BRU with this compbination? I'll buy it if I
> need to. I just want to know if there's a simple 'cpio' script that I can
> use.
>
> BTW, the linux-usb (http://www.linux-usb.org) web site offers no help when
> trying to install usb tape drives. I find this odd since usb can be used
> with so many devices. oh well...
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Nathan
>
>
>
>
>
>
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