Linux-Hardware Digest #621, Volume #14           Fri, 13 Apr 01 19:13:05 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Any thoughts on a good Sparc Linux? (Alex Yung)
  Re: Does Linux suport thermal printer? (Afonso Sam)
  need help installing the newest version of i2c ("Andrew Diaczyk")
  Looking for a linux book ("Andrew Diaczyk")
  Re: need help installing the newest version of i2c ("caffeine")
  Re: Looking for a linux book ("Anonymous")
  Re: ISDN router for Linux (Eddie)
  Re: howto properly access serial devices in Perl or C (Michael Meissner)
  Re: howto properly access serial devices in Perl or C ("Bob Parnass, AJ9S")
  Cogent/Adaptec quad-port on 2.4 ("Christopher H. Gleba")

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Yung)
Subject: Re: Any thoughts on a good Sparc Linux?
Date: 13 Apr 2001 20:33:53 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I never tried Slackware or SuSE in the sun4c.  RedHat is OK.
It requires too much disk space.  Debian is the best.  Here is the
iso images:

ftp://debian.uchicago.edu/debian-cd/potato/official/

X is very slow with 16M of ram.  32M runs pretty good in my Classic
and it is much better than my Intel P-133.  I don't run KDE nor GNOME.
Blackbox is very respondsive.

User Rdkeys Robert D. Keys ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: I am thinking of setting up a couple Linux machines, one a server, and
: one a desktop, using sun4c sparcs.  I see in the archives that there
: are sparc distros by SUSE, Debian, Redhat, and Slackware.  The last
: Linux I used was the old 0.96 stuff from a long time ago.  My background
: is fairly strong in the BSD side of the family on sparc hardware.  But,
: I wanted to give Linux a fair shake on this architecture.  Can anyone
: suggest a few pros and cons of any of the above distros on sparc hardware?

: Slackware and SUSE look pretty good.  Redhat I have heard mixed things
: about.  Debian requires a floppy install, initially, apparently, since
: I did not find any bootable cd images about, although there seemed to be
: some overseas.  Is there a url to an official Debian iso image somewhere?

: The desktop will be gui driven, and the server tty driven.

: Any thoughts or suggestions as to what works relatively well on sun4c
: hadware are appreciated.

: Thanks

: Bob

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From: Afonso Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does Linux suport thermal printer?
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 05:00:13 +0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

It is Epson TM-T88II thermal printer with built-in japanese, chinese and 
barcode fonts.

Afonso Sam

Andrey Vlassov wrote:

> Afonso,
> 
> what is model and manufacture?
> 
> Andrey


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From: "Andrew Diaczyk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
ahn.tech.linux,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: need help installing the newest version of i2c
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:42:37 GMT

I have a pinicle tv tuner card I need help installing the updated i2c so I
can use bttv 0.7x .
I tried installing it myself and after I loaded the modules and rebooted my
computer I got a message after it found the module dependancies unresolved
symbols in all the modules I installed.  What does that mean.  What
directory do I store the i2c files in. and what do I have to do with my
kernel to get this to work.





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From: "Andrew Diaczyk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
ahn.tech.linux,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Looking for a linux book
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:50:16 GMT

I want to learn linux.  I want a book that has labs that you do on a actual
computer configuring linux.  For red hat



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From: "caffeine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
ahn.tech.linux,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: need help installing the newest version of i2c
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:56:04 +0100

Andrew,

  Unresolved symbols usually means that the modules you are trying to load
do not match up with the kernel you are currently running.  You really need
to recompile the modules (exactly how since they are non-default I don't
know, you'll have to check about :) to match the current kernel version.
Then run depmod -a if you've installed it and it should work a bit better.
Compiled modules (.o files) usually reside in /lib/modules/x.y.z/, where x,
y and z are the kernel version.

-lewiz.

"Andrew Diaczyk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:hpKB6.3644$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I have a pinicle tv tuner card I need help installing the updated i2c so I
> can use bttv 0.7x .
> I tried installing it myself and after I loaded the modules and rebooted
my
> computer I got a message after it found the module dependancies unresolved
> symbols in all the modules I installed.  What does that mean.  What
> directory do I store the i2c files in. and what do I have to do with my
> kernel to get this to work.
>
>
>
>



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Reply-To: "Anonymous" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Anonymous" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
ahn.tech.linux,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Looking for a linux book
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:07:34 GMT

Though it doesn't have workshops, I highly recommend:

Sams Teach Yourself Red Hat Linux in 24 Hours

The cost is only US$30, and it also comes with 2 Red Hat Linux CDs (for
install)

It is also an extremely good book on getting started

"Andrew Diaczyk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:swKB6.3665$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I want to learn linux.  I want a book that has labs that you do on a
actual
> computer configuring linux.  For red hat
>
>



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From: Eddie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.os.linux.dial-up,alt.os.linux.mandrake,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: ISDN router for Linux
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 23:09:28 +0100

"C. Newport" wrote:
> 
> I use the Netgear 348 - it works fine.
> Dont use the windoze setup program, set it up via the serial port
> or telnet, you will get less grief that way.

I've got the RT328[1] - you need to use the serial port to set it up
initially, but after that you can just telnet in to it.

I tried the set-up program when I was installing my bosses' router - it
didn't seem to work particularly well. Setting it up via the serial port
is much easier.

Only drawback with this router is that it doesn't seem to have as many
features as some I've seen, but if you just want a vanilla ISDN router,
it should do the job.


[1] Same as the RT348, but without the built-in hub.

-- 
Eddie                                         mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,de.alt.comm.isdn4linux
Subject: Re: howto properly access serial devices in Perl or C
From: Michael Meissner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 13 Apr 2001 18:30:21 -0400

Ingo Ciechowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 20:33:17 +0200, Michael Meissner wrote
> (in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>):
> 
> > open (FILE, "+</dev/modem")
> 
> great. this works for /dev/modem - but for whatever reason I didn't get it to
> work with /dev/ttyI0 (which is provided by isdn4linix).
> 
> any idea?

Yes, it is probably waiting for the equivalent carrier to become high.  You
probably need to open the device with Perl's equivalen of O_NONBLOCK set.  Look
at the POSIX and IO::File man pages.

-- 
Michael Meissner, Red Hat, Inc.  (GCC group)
PMB 198, 174 Littleton Road #3, Westford, Massachusetts 01886, USA
Work:     [EMAIL PROTECTED]           phone: +1 978-486-9304
Non-work: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   fax:   +1 978-692-4482

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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:35:40 -0500
From: "Bob Parnass, AJ9S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,de.alt.comm.isdn4linux
Subject: Re: howto properly access serial devices in Perl or C

Have you considered using Expect instead of
Perl or C?  It's easier.

Read this article about controlling a radio-sync'd clock
connected to the serial port using a simple Expect
script:

   http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-12/guru_05.html

After reading the article, I wrote a
simple script like this to control a shortwave radio
via the serial port under Red Hat Linux 7.
Works great.

====================================================================
Bob Parnass, AJ9S                               [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Registered Linux User #209820 (Registered at: http://counter.li.org)

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From: "Christopher H. Gleba" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Cogent/Adaptec quad-port on 2.4
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 23:05:40 GMT

Hello,

I am having issues with an Adaptec/Cogent quad fast ethernet NIC
on 2.4 -- I wsa wondering if anyone has had any luck or experience
they could share. . .

Any help would be greatly appreciated and I thank you in advance.

Basically I have two Cogent/Adaptec quad fast ethernet cards on
a FIC PA-2013 motherboard
based on the VIA MVP3 chipset and AMI BIOS.  On the first card only the
first
port works and the rest are reported as "missing EEPROM" while on the
second
card all four ports works fine.  I am using kernel 2.4.2.

The symptoms seem to be indicative of what Donald Becker called a "Brain
Damaged BIOS"
where the card has one EEPROM for all the ports and the BIOS does not
detect it as so,
howvever the "soltion" of passing the parameter, "reverse_probe=1" that
Donald recommended
for his 2.2 driver does not seem to be available for this 2.4 driver.

Is there anything that is similar to this implemented in the 2.4 "tulip"
driver and if
so how would I go about implementing it?

Here is some info on the cards:

=======================================
OUTPUT from "tulip-diag"
=======================================

tulip-diag.c:v2.06 1/8/2001 Donald Becker ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 http://www.scyld.com/diag/index.html
Index #1: Found a Digital DS21140 Tulip adapter at 0xb000.
 Port selection is MII, half-duplex.
 Transmit started, Receive started, half-duplex.
  The Rx process state is 'Waiting for packets'.
  The Tx process state is 'Idle'.
  The transmit threshold is 256.
Index #2: Found a Digital DS21140 Tulip adapter at 0xb400.
 Port selection is 10mpbs-serial, half-duplex.
 Transmit stopped, Receive stopped, half-duplex.
  The Rx process state is 'Stopped'.
  The Tx process state is 'Stopped'.
  The transmit threshold is 72.
WARNING: The EEPROM is missing or erased!
Index #3: Found a Digital DS21140 Tulip adapter at 0xb800.
 Port selection is 10mpbs-serial, half-duplex.
 Transmit stopped, Receive stopped, half-duplex.
  The Rx process state is 'Stopped'.
  The Tx process state is 'Stopped'.
  The transmit threshold is 72.
WARNING: The EEPROM is missing or erased!
Index #4: Found a Digital DS21140 Tulip adapter at 0xbc00.
 Port selection is 10mpbs-serial, half-duplex.
 Transmit stopped, Receive stopped, half-duplex.
  The Rx process state is 'Stopped'.
  The Tx process state is 'Stopped'.
  The transmit threshold is 72.
WARNING: The EEPROM is missing or erased!
Index #5: Found a Digital DS21140 Tulip adapter at 0xc000.
 Port selection is MII, full-duplex.
 Transmit started, Receive started, full-duplex.
  The Rx process state is 'Waiting for packets'.
  The Tx process state is 'Idle'.
  The transmit threshold is 256.
Index #6: Found a Digital DS21140 Tulip adapter at 0xc400.
 Port selection is MII, full-duplex.
 Transmit started, Receive started, full-duplex.
  The Rx process state is 'Waiting for packets'.
  The Tx process state is 'Idle'.
  The transmit threshold is 256.
Index #7: Found a Digital DS21140 Tulip adapter at 0xc800.
 Port selection is MII, full-duplex.
 Transmit started, Receive started, full-duplex.
  The Rx process state is 'Waiting for packets'.
  The Tx process state is 'Idle'.
  The transmit threshold is 256.
Index #8: Found a Digital DS21140 Tulip adapter at 0xcc00.
 Port selection is MII, full-duplex.
 Transmit started, Receive started, full-duplex.
  The Rx process state is 'Waiting for packets'.
  The Tx process state is 'Idle'.
  The transmit unit is set to store-and-forward.
 Use '-a' or '-aa' to show device registers,
     '-e' to show EEPROM contents, -ee for parsed contents,
  or '-m' or '-mm' to show MII management registers.

=======================================
OUTPUT FROM "mii-diag"
=======================================

[root@harp i586]# mii-diag eth0
Basic registers of MII PHY #1:  3100 782d 2000 5c00 01e1 0000 0000 0000.
 Basic mode control register 0x3100: Auto-negotiation enabled.
 You have link beat, and everything is working OK.
 Your link partner does not do autonegotiation, and this transceiver
type
  does not report the sensed link speed.
[root@harp i586]# mii-diag eth1
Basic registers of MII PHY #1:  2100 780b 2000 5c00 01e1 0000 0000 0000.
 Basic mode control register 0x2100: Auto-negotiation disabled, with
 Speed fixed at 100 mbps, full-duplex.
 Basic mode status register 0x780b ... 780b.
   Link status: not established.
   *** Link Jabber! ***
 Link partner information information is not exchanged when in fixed
speed mode.
[root@harp i586]# mii-diag eth2
Basic registers of MII PHY #1:  2100 780b 2000 5c00 01e1 0000 0000 0000.
 Basic mode control register 0x2100: Auto-negotiation disabled, with
 Speed fixed at 100 mbps, full-duplex.
 Basic mode status register 0x780b ... 780b.
   Link status: not established.
   *** Link Jabber! ***
 Link partner information information is not exchanged when in fixed
speed mode.
[root@harp i586]# mii-diag eth3
Basic registers of MII PHY #1:  2100 780b 2000 5c00 01e1 0000 0000 0000.
 Basic mode control register 0x2100: Auto-negotiation disabled, with
 Speed fixed at 100 mbps, full-duplex.
 Basic mode status register 0x780b ... 780b.
   Link status: not established.
   *** Link Jabber! ***
 Link partner information information is not exchanged when in fixed
speed mode.
[root@harp i586]# mii-diag eth4
Basic registers of MII PHY #1:  3100 7849 2000 5c01 01e1 0000 0000 0000.
 Basic mode control register 0x3100: Auto-negotiation enabled.
 Basic mode status register 0x7849 ... 7849.
   Link status: not established.
[root@harp i586]# mii-diag eth5
Basic registers of MII PHY #1:  3100 7849 2000 5c01 01e1 0000 0000 0000.
 Basic mode control register 0x3100: Auto-negotiation enabled.
 Basic mode status register 0x7849 ... 7849.
   Link status: not established.
[root@harp i586]# mii-diag eth6
Basic registers of MII PHY #1:  3100 786b 2000 5c01 01e1 0081 0000 0000.
 Basic mode control register 0x3100: Auto-negotiation enabled.
 Basic mode status register 0x786b ... 786f.
   Link status: previously broken, but now reestablished.
   *** Link Jabber! ***
 Your link partner is generating 100baseTx link beat  (no
autonegotiation).
[root@harp i586]# mii-diag eth7
Basic registers of MII PHY #1:  3100 786b 2000 5c01 01e1 45e1 0003 0000.
 Basic mode control register 0x3100: Auto-negotiation enabled.
 Basic mode status register 0x786b ... 786f.
   Link status: previously broken, but now reestablished.
   *** Link Jabber! ***
 Your link partner advertised 45e1: Flow-control 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx
10baseT-FD 10baseT, w/ 802.3X flow control.

=======================================
INFO IN "/proc/pci"
=======================================

[root@harp i586]# cat /proc/pci
PCI devices found:
  Bus  0, device   0, function  0:
    Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C597 [Apollo VP3] (rev 4).
      Master Capable.  Latency=16.
      Prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xee000000 [0xee3fffff].
  Bus  0, device   1, function  0:
    PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C598/694x [Apollo
MVP3/Pro133x AGP] (rev 0).
      Master Capable.  No bursts.  Min Gnt=12.
  Bus  0, device   7, function  0:
    ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586/A/B PCI-to-ISA [Apollo
VP] (rev 71).
  Bus  0, device   7, function  1:
    IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. Bus Master IDE (rev 6).
      Master Capable.  Latency=64.
      I/O at 0xd400 [0xd40f].
  Bus  0, device   7, function  3:
    PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586B ACPI (rev 16).
      IRQ 9.
  Bus  0, device   8, function  0:
    PCI bridge: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21050 (rev 2).
      Master Capable.  Latency=64.  Min Gnt=6.
  Bus  0, device   9, function  0:
    PCI bridge: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21152 (rev 3).
      Master Capable.  Latency=64.  Min Gnt=6.
  Bus  0, device  10, function  0:
    Unknown mass storage controller: American Megatrends Inc. MegaRAID
(rev 3).
      IRQ 5.
      Master Capable.  Latency=64.
      I/O at 0xd800 [0xd87f].
  Bus  0, device  11, function  0:
    Unknown mass storage controller: Promise Technology, Inc. 20262 (rev
1).
      IRQ 7.
      Master Capable.  Latency=64.
      I/O at 0xdc00 [0xdc07].
      I/O at 0xe000 [0xe003].
      I/O at 0xe400 [0xe407].
      I/O at 0xe800 [0xe803].
      I/O at 0xec00 [0xec3f].
      Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xee400000 [0xee41ffff].
  Bus  1, device   0, function  0:
    VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro AGP
1X/2X (rev 92).
      Master Capable.  Latency=64.  Min Gnt=8.
      Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe8000000 [0xe8ffffff].
      I/O at 0x9000 [0x90ff].
      Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xea000000 [0xea000fff].
  Bus  3, device   4, function  0:
    Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21140
[FasterNet] (rev 32).
      IRQ 10.
      Master Capable.  Latency=64.  Min Gnt=20.Max Lat=40.
      I/O at 0xb000 [0xb07f].
      Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xdc003000 [0xdc00307f].
  Bus  3, device   5, function  0:
    Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21140
[FasterNet] (#2) (rev 32).
      IRQ 11.
      Master Capable.  Latency=64.  Min Gnt=20.Max Lat=40.
      I/O at 0xb400 [0xb47f].
      Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xdc001000 [0xdc00107f].
  Bus  3, device   6, function  0:
    Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21140
[FasterNet] (#3) (rev 32).
      IRQ 5.
      Master Capable.  Latency=64.  Min Gnt=20.Max Lat=40.
      I/O at 0xb800 [0xb87f].
      Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xdc000000 [0xdc00007f].
  Bus  3, device   7, function  0:
    Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21140
[FasterNet] (#4) (rev 32).
      IRQ 7.
      Master Capable.  Latency=64.  Min Gnt=20.Max Lat=40.
      I/O at 0xbc00 [0xbc7f].
      Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xdc002000 [0xdc00207f].
  Bus  4, device   4, function  0:
    Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21140
[FasterNet] (#5) (rev 34).
      IRQ 11.
      Master Capable.  Latency=64.  Min Gnt=20.Max Lat=40.
      I/O at 0xc000 [0xc07f].
      Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe4003000 [0xe400307f].
  Bus  4, device   5, function  0:
    Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21140
[FasterNet] (#6) (rev 34).
      IRQ 5.
      Master Capable.  Latency=64.  Min Gnt=20.Max Lat=40.
      I/O at 0xc400 [0xc47f].
      Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe4001000 [0xe400107f].
  Bus  4, device   6, function  0:
    Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21140
[FasterNet] (#7) (rev 34).
      IRQ 7.
      Master Capable.  Latency=64.  Min Gnt=20.Max Lat=40.
      I/O at 0xc800 [0xc87f].
      Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe4000000 [0xe400007f].
  Bus  4, device   7, function  0:
    Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21140
[FasterNet] (#8) (rev 34).
      IRQ 10.
      Master Capable.  Latency=64.  Min Gnt=20.Max Lat=40.
      I/O at 0xcc00 [0xcc7f].
      Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xe4002000 [0xe400207f].

=======================================
I/O Information
=======================================
[root@harp /proc]# cat iomem
00000000-0009ffff : System RAM
000a0000-000bffff : Video RAM area
000c0000-000c7fff : Video ROM
000cc000-000ce1ff : Extension ROM
000cf000-000d07ff : Extension ROM
000f0000-000fffff : System ROM
00100000-11feffff : System RAM
  00100000-002450eb : Kernel code
  002450ec-0029ae57 : Kernel data
11ff0000-11ff07ff : ACPI Non-volatile Storage
11ff0800-11ffffff : ACPI Tables
d8000000-dfffffff : PCI Bus #03
  dc000000-dc00007f : Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21140
[FasterNet] (#3)
    dc000000-dc00007f : eth2
  dc001000-dc00107f : Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21140
[FasterNet] (#2)
    dc001000-dc00107f : eth1
  dc002000-dc00207f : Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21140
[FasterNet] (#4)
    dc002000-dc00207f : eth3
  dc003000-dc00307f : Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21140
[FasterNet]
    dc003000-dc00307f : eth0
e0000000-e7ffffff : PCI Bus #04
  e4000000-e400007f : Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21140
[FasterNet] (#7)
    e4000000-e400007f : eth6
  e4001000-e400107f : Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21140
[FasterNet] (#6)
    e4001000-e400107f : eth5
  e4002000-e400207f : Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21140
[FasterNet] (#8)
    e4002000-e400207f : eth7
  e4003000-e400307f : Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21140
[FasterNet] (#5)
    e4003000-e400307f : eth4
e8000000-ebffffff : PCI Bus #01
  e8000000-e8ffffff : ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X/2X
  ea000000-ea000fff : ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X/2X
ee000000-ee3fffff : VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C597 [Apollo VP3]
ee400000-ee41ffff : Promise Technology, Inc. 20262
ffff0000-ffffffff : reserved

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