I got a reply from [EMAIL PROTECTED], and then it was magically taken over by Shelley Davies at SuSE UK, who duckshoved it to Johnathan Thornhill at Bowline, their South African distributor. As I said, not-so-politely below, &^%#$% to that!
Schlomo Schapiro wrote: > Whom did you ask at SuSE Germany about shipping to Israel ? I got a > shipment from them some month ago without any problem (except the price). > > Schlomo > > On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Gold Edward wrote: > > >>I can give some summary about my "quest" for the official >>distribution in Israel SuSE . >> >>I tried to get SuSE latest version (7.3) from all sources -- and did not >>succeed : >>PF1 stopped to import it and the same situation with another company >>from >>Raanana which SuSE site listed as their second Israeli supplier. >>Amazon is supplying it in U.S. only (don't know the cause)-- and the >>same >>situation was encountered after some >>non-extensive checkings on other US sw. selling sites . >> >>BTW- not sure, but SuSE site sells it for 78 US $ "only"-- not 130. >>I totaly agree with Nadav-Har'El opinion about this distribution first >>class >>quality-- >>I used 6.1 for a long time (bought on BUG on September 1999)-- >>but on work we could not obtain >>SuSE 7.3 (we needed it because we thought that 2.4.15) would >>give us some Posix IPC features. >>SuSE site mentions that they sell only in E.U. -- very curious >>behaviour... >>We ended up on RH7.1 (2.4.10 & updated afterwards to 2.4.15). >>It is an unfortunate situation that such a succesfull distribution >>can not be easily obtained around here-- I mean their all >>goodies, i.e. 2300 packages (and manuals). >> >>Edy >> >> >> >>Daniel Feiglin wrote: >> >> >>>Schlomo Schapiro wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Hi, >>>> >>>>PF1/REL imported them last time I checked (by phone). I saw it also once >>>>in a shop in JM (an old version, of course). >>>> >>>But they stopped. You can see V7.1 on their site. >>> >>> >>>>And, they actually do have an excellend Evaluation CD (nobody else has >>>>s.th. like this !): It boots a live filesystem from CD with all bells and >>>>whistles installed. Including proper setup and it saves all the data + >>>>your home dir on the local disk (vfat partition needed). >>>> >>>>I think this is a very good solution for the evaluation problem and people >>>>who want to suck from this a normal installation can just boot it and copy >>>>it over to their hard disk (and do normal RPM installs afterwards). >>>> >>>>Schlomo >>>> >>>>PS: Download it from ftp://schapiro.org >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Schlomo Schapiro wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>>I also tried to talk to them (and I speak German !) to no avail. I told >>>>>>them that their local importers are doing them a dis-service. But they >>>>>>told me that they have long-running contracts and that's it. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Who is their local importer? >>>>> >>>>>Last time I looked at their site, there was a link to an Israeli reseller. >>>>>The site of the Israeli reseller had no mention of SuSE (only of >>>>>Mandrake, if you bothered digging deep enough into the site). >>>>> >>>>>Do you see any SuSE in any store? Do you see any Redhat or Mandrake? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I don't think that the problem is political, though. I see two major >>>>>>problems: >>>>>>1) Israel is very RedHat centric (we are soooo American !), therefore >>>>>>there are not so many (almost NIL) people who would buy SuSE >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>SuSE sells pretty well in the US. Mandrake (originally french) is also >>>>>doing well. Maybe some people here have problems with German products (no >>>>>flames please, I'm only stating a fact), however I don't think that this >>>>>is reflected in the sales of FolksWagen. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>2) SuSE doesn't bother to have importers in many countries. They are just >>>>>>open for importers to make business with them. I imagine that the >>>>>>Situation in Cyprus or Poland is not much better than here. It's just our >>>>>>bad luck that we got an "Israeli" SuSE importer. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Hmm... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Also, note that $130 seems pretty close to the SuSE price if you would >>>>>>order from them directly (from Germany). >>>>>> >>>>>>I once ordered a package directly from them for my work and it >>>>>>was all very well, except the 60 DM shipping cost. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>130$? >>>>> >>>>>If they don't start handing out evaluation CDs, (almost) no-one in Israel >>>>>will bother with that. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>Other matters: At various times I've seen SuSE even in BUG! >>> >>>Why SuSE: I started out with Redhat in 5.1-2 days. 6.0 was a disaster. PF1 >>>offered me SuSE 6.1 for peanuts, at Computax, and in terms of distro quality and >>>scope I never looked back. I must confess that 7.1 was not brilliant, and I >>>finished up with what in now SuSE 7.1 and a half - d/l'd kernel 2.4.9 and got >>>KDE 2.2.1 from a CD burning outfit in the US (also cost peanuts). >>> >>>SuSE refused to supply me the 7.2 upgrade: They referred me to their UK dealer >>>who said that he could only supply from South Africa. Stuff that. About 7.3: >>>There are some rather nasty reviews floating around (LinuxPlanet) for anyone >>>trying to upgrade using the graphics interface (yast2). 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