On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, Nadav Har'El wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 27, 2002, Shlomi Fish wrote about "Re: BitKeeper Cont. [was Re: My
>projects are gone (fwd)]":
> > I am not going to _force_ Larry to free BitKeeper. I have no intention of
> > doing that. I am going to give Larry no choice but to free it. This is
> > called outcompeting.
>
> No, this sounds more like armed roberry... :(
>
>From when does out-competing sounds like armed robbery?
I am going to provide commercial users a better alternative for BitKeeper
that is Free (Aegis may be just that by now). That or convince Larry to
free it in the process, which IMO is for his own damn good.
> Shlomi, because of BitKeeper's license, I'm not even considering it for
> anything. I'm using all sorts of other source-code control systems,
> but I didn't even bother looking at BitKeeper.
Good for you Nadav. Unfortunately, I was tempted by it, and was suddenly
informed of a license change that I could not comply with. It's like
buying Windows 98 at 98 and at 2000 be informed by Microsoft that they
changed their licensing terms and I must comply if I wish to use the
product. Some kind of UCITA brain-damage.
> I suggest you do the same.
> Forget about BitKeeper, just like you don't write Bill Gates about making
> his operating system free. Shlomi, your insistance in this issue simply
> does not make any sense!
>
Yes, it does. I plan to keep with the "Better SCM" in order to educate
everybody about the better alternatives to CVS and ClearCase around
(including BitKeeper). The only reason I started using BitKeeper was
because I was looking for a better alternative to CVS which had a
compelling hosting service. I could only find bkbits.net.
I was perfectly happy with the BK service until the license change came
out of the blue, which made me unable to comply with it practically and
ideologically. Luckily, I did not use BitKeeper for anything too serious
and had a clone of the repositories.
I would not have used BitKeeper if I were Linus and his gang until it
became free software. This is the only thing that could kill McVoy's
attitude and obsession with people abusing his software when it is clearly
obvious that they would have abused it or not use it all, no matter what.
As a side note I might add that I wrote an essay titled "BitKeeper - a War
Story" on paper, and my parents will frown if I publish it. But I have
more productive things to do now, including hacking on Aegis or Arch or
OpenCM or Subversion.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
> The only reason BitKeeper's license is a problem to the community is because
> Linus decided to use it for source-control of the kernel. This issue has been
> discussed to death in the Linux-Kernel mailing list. But why should you
> care about that so much??? Do you have many patches you want to commit into
> the kernel?? Besides, for years the Linux kernel did not use any source-control
> system at all, so you can go on pretending that it still doesn't.
>
> I suggest you simply pretend that BitKeeper does not exist. Continue using
> RCS or CVS, and be on the lookout for other free-software source code control
> systems. Or if you want, start your own project, but be aware that it isn't
> a trivial one. I'm still using, sometimes, my own source-code control system
> which I wrote many years ago. But it was more simplistic than RCS, not the
> other way around.
>
> > I have no intention to commit any crime. My intentions are solely focused
> > on advocacy and writing code. But mark my words: AFA the free software
>
> Note that ad-hominem advocacy, saying over and over on various public lists
> how a single relatively-private individual is wrong (and worse), can (and
> will) be considered unacceptable slander, not advocacy. Please leave mr.
> McVoy alone and pick a more constructive way to further your goal.
>
> One such constructive way, but a very hard one, can be to do your own
> project. Another can be to learn some replacement (e.g., the Aegis you
> described) and explain to us here why we should try it. Once that Aegis
> (whatever it is) becomes commonly used, you can be sure that people will
> start improving it - maybe to the point it will be good as BitKeeper.
>
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