On Fri, Jan 24, 2003 at 04:37:00PM +0200, Ely Levy wrote:
> I don't think emu is solution,
> there are always glitchs
> slow computers and many other problems especialy when home users would be
> asked to use it.
> anyhow it's time we stoped being ignored and tell them there are other
> things beside ie in the world..
>
I couldn't get the importance of the problem from your post. Is it
something that is already widely implemented or is it some buzz words
system that someone is trying to sell? Are you sure this is not another
(revolutionary technology)^+ system that the best way to deal with it is
by ignoring it altogether? Can you tell who is behind this system? Are
there local Israeli people that are trying to push it forward? Is there
an Hebrew content? Who is the target users of the system (elementary
school students, college students, both)? How much money is required, if
at all, to get such a system running? How much effort does one need in
order to customize the system for the local content? Is there anything
else beside Active X that prevents it from running on non IE software?
What is huji official view regarding this matter? Perhaps the best
course of action is first to persuade huji to accept your opinion.
Maybe the issue should be brought to the public attention? By this I
mean trying to get the local papers (KOL HAEAR and the others) to write
about it, Zombit, etc.
Be aware that huji may consider the publication undesirable and since
it is your employer you will have to think about it. On the other hand,
huji is also a university and as such it should encourage open
discussion of various issues.
Do note that I am only trying to discuss this course of action. I
don't know if I support it myself. One way of achieving things is acting
quietly. For example, why should the huji cs department drew public
attention to the fact that it doesn't give its *CS* students access to
the popular OS at the university computers? In addition, the fact that
you are trying hard to get something on the media doesn't mean that it
will indeed get published. And even if it will get published, sporadic
references to free software might cause more damage then benefit since
it might get to be something which does not deserve serious attention
(A KOORYOSE). But on the other hand, maybe not?
> Ely Levy
> System group
> Hebrew University
> Jerusalem Israel
>
>
>
> On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:
>
> > On Friday 24 January 2003 13:55, Ely Levy wrote:
> > > latly universaties went to use britanica's high learning system,
> > > this system doesn't work with any other client rather than ie
> > > and since it's about to be used as the main school system
> > > it would limit the use of linux in universaties desktop and in
> > > students home.
> > > ie: here in huji's cs we don't even have windows machines for students
> > > which already starting to create problems.
> > > and I think less unix lover universaties and department might reconcider
> > > install linux or anything else beside windows, which is preety sad
> > > especialy now when with open office lyx and wine solved a lot of the
> > > barriers people had with using linux.
> > >
> > > I see 2 ways of action
> > >
> > > 1) Finding a fs replacement to the high learning system.
> > > 2) Convince britanica to support non ie clients
> >
> > fs=??
> >
> > > 1 - might be nice for universaties/schools which still didn't invest the
> > > money and man power for integrating high learning into the system so it
> > > might work for schools which check for this kind of system.
> > >
> > > 2 - sounds like a good solution but I think that high learning uses
> > > activeX stuff in their webpage.(anyone can confirm for sure?)
> > > and I think it would be hard to make them give up on it in favor for
> > > something else. They also deal with big originaztions and not people,
> > > so they probebly be harder to pressure in the way of pettions.
> > >
> > > I think it's highly importent topic cause the way it looks this system
> > > might speard to the entire education system, which might create even
> > > bigger problem for anyone not using ie bigger problem than hebrew word
> > > docs did in the last few years rating non windows users as second class.
> >
> > Well, I think you can try this:
> >
> > The latest crossover plugin supports (limited support actually) ActiveX (it
> > was released yesterday - so people who bought Crossover plugins, please
> > upgrade to 1.2.0) so I think you can use Mozilla or Konqueror with it. If you
> > want - I can check it for you (as long as you give me a URL to download/test
> > this activeX). CodeWeavers can also be "hired" by you (if you have big number
> > of clients) to make this ActiveX works.
> >
> > Another solution - Crossover Office, you can download and install IE +
> > ActiveX..
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Hetz
> >
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