please don't CC: me, I read the first one just fine.

[EMAIL PROTECTED], from the post of Mon, 10 Mar:
> Quoting Ira Abramov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > users on linux
> > blind users
> > users on palm
> 
> Is Palm standards-compliant? Last that I heard of it it had terrible Hebrew
> problems.

it's not, but it's a thought. if the website is planned right, and
display is seperated from functionality, you can get where you need.

> > sticking to standards means it will work on older browsers as well (MSIE
> > 4 and 5 anyone?)
> 
> Which standards do you mean? Clean HTML4? Sure. DHTML based on W3C DOM is
> standards-compliant, but will never work on MSIE 4.

I'm not sure to this day what DOM is. sounds too BDSM to me, even if I'm
a Terantino fan...

and what's wrong with supporting MSIE4?

> Ah, your advocacy is for a *simpler* site, not a *standard* site.
> These two things are different. Do we want to put the effort in
> convincing the man to give up his gadgets and toys?

I would. I do business with schwab.com and wellsfargo.com and they would
never dare to do anything more complex than very basic javascript (if at
all) or a frame trick or two. that's it. no Java or flash or ActiveIchs.

I'm a little biased at the moment, because I spent the last 3 hours
debugging a stupid one-liner in javascript. it appears Mozilla is more
leniant than MSIE with certain parameters... grrr.

> whatever. If we require simplicity and stark naked HTML, he may
> actually have many users who will moan about the "nice toys" that are
> gone.

if done well, things should look good AND be functional. nice toys are
for chat rooms on tapuz, not for financial institutes.

> Maybe even some bad publicity in the press, where a blockhead
> who happens to write an Internet column will mention "Bank Leumi has
> gone several years backwards in its new version of the site. Hello,
> technology has advanced since 1995!".

then give a "gadgety interface" and a straightforward HTML-only
interface as a choice for older computeres/browsers/connections.

Oh well... I can dream :)

I tried to keep my own page "dehanced for Lynx" but once I installed
PHP and Gallery, the road to hell is short :)

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