Quoting Shachar Shemesh, from the post of Wed, 26 Mar:

> Sun has promised, and has given, us (Hamakor) a server. This server is
> now installed at Actcom's, and is called "beak.hamakor.org.il".

> As the server's new specs are a little low for it's intended use (it
> only had 36GB of disk space), I decided to swap a server for a promise.
> I gave them beak, in exchange for a promise from IBM's Yoram Gnat to get

So you gave it back and it's installed at the same time? :)

Let me call Newton, he'll enjoy this :)

> this has contributed to increasing the confusion (I'm afraid that it is
> no longer clear that Hamakor, or Shachar Shemesh, are not the sole force
> behind the Go-Linux event, nor even the primary driving force).

well, Hamakor does not appear as one of the driving forces on the web
site. are you saying you are the main organizer and P&C only give the
money? this is cute :)

also, it shows once again that grassroots is stronger than financial
selfish interests of coroporations, and demonstrates what I fealt from
the first day I heard HP, IBM and Sun are going to cooperate: they can't
spell the "co" in cooperate. now it seems they are not keen on "operate"
either :-)))

> 
> This confusion is not only among the IGLU members, but also among other
> people. One of the parties who got confused was Sun's Motti Sadovsky,

on behalf of the confused masses, allow me to calm you and tell you I
was not one bit confused, infact I wasn't aware there was anything to be
confused about to this moment. Now that you explaind it it seems to make
sense mostly (surreal sense, mind you - Sun initiates a convention and
let it be run by volunteers that undermine its intentions, heh)

> who more or less promised the same server to both Hamakor and the new
> body. We would have shared it, except that some of the members of the
> new body want to base it on their propritary software (CA, Oracle, IBM).

a severe case of "they don't get it". sad.

> Shlomif's knoppix clone, 

umm?

> chip in and buy a fiasco type 1U non-server for ~1000$, or we'll get

I'm all for that. donations will always fit the whims of the donating
parties and rarely those of the community. for the price of SCSI we can
get half a tera of IDE ourselves.

> I will also state that some of the confusion stems from a difference
> of language. Our language is, really, very different than the language
> spoken by commercial bodies such as Sun, or even IBM. I am hoping that

well, since our goals are so different and so are our ways of action,
where do you see the common lines where the two bodies meet? one uses
the kernel to run propriatary server apps, and the other uses it to
promote free software for workstations and other configurations. while
the two don't step much on eachother's toes, I fail to see how they need
the cooperation of eachother (other than them getting free help from
us)?


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