There students have different capabilities and knowledge. One of my role 
is to help them in choosing the projects. I hope that some of them (and as 
I see now 10% is enough) will continue to contribute after the workshop.

On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote:

> Shlomi Fish wrote:
> 
> >Here are my ideas:
> >
> >1. Subversion (http://subversion.tigris.org/) - plenty of work here.
> >Either bug-squashing or developing a new feature (like svn "blame" a la
> >cvs annoatate)
> >
> >2. Syscalltrack - port to 2.5.x/2.6.x. (http://syscalltrack.sf.net/)
> >  
> >
> Hmm, yes. Take a project whose original maintainer have more-or-less 
> aboundaned. Take the point that caused the maintainer to give up on it. 
> Give it to people with no experience in Open Source. That sounds like a 
> nice, solid, plan.
Your assumption is not exact. This kind of projects will be given to whom 
have real desire and capability to do it.
> 
> If we are going to be giving them impossible tasks, I have a few of my 
> own I can add:
> 1. Implement BiDi in Wine's font dialog
> 2. Rewrite the Wine keyboard handling so that Word will work.
> 
> Very necessary. Both of them.
> 
> >3. Freecell Solver - take a look at:
> >
> >http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/freecell-solver/to-do.html
> >  
> >
> That's another point that is a problem with this course - they are 
> required to take the lead on whatever it is that they do.
> 
> I think a much better format would have been to recruite people from 
> Israel with intimate knowledge of running open source projects. Me for 
> Wine, Muli for the kernel, Nadav for hspell, Shlomi for freecel solver, 
> etc. Agree with those people that they will be tutors for the students 
> for the summer course duration. Let the students fit into this outfit, 
> and join the development effort under the same conditions a real life 
> bazar developer works. Specify a given task from the project's ToDo list 
> to perform, and that's what they are going to be graded on. As usual - 
> anything goes. They are allowed to ask for help, solicit solutions, 
> everything a real FOSS programmer does. At the end of the semester, 
> either the teacher himself joins searches the mailing list archives for 
> the project and grade them, or he asks the Israeli rep. to grade the 
> student (or both).
>
Some people realy will help e.g. Muli and hopefully someone else from IBM 
(but I did not get final approve yet). Since it is summer only 4-5 
lectures are reasonably because of time limits. The students that join an 
existing project will get the grades according to several parameters 
(if the maintainer will cooperate - his opinion will be a relatively major 
part).

The students who will want and be able to start a new project will hav to 
prove the need first and will be able to build an envionment to work. The 
tools are availiable.

>
> As a fallback for students who don't want to join an existing project, 
> the current scheme may be chosen. The "objectives", "goals", and 
> "design" stages, however, will be waved for those students who choose to 
> join an existing project.
> 
> Alexander - what say you? Do you think you could let a few interested 
> parties (such as myself, as I'm sure Nadav) come to the first meeting of 
> the session and present our projects, try to recruit helpers? Do you 
> think the teacher will go for such a scheme?
> 
> I'm willing to come over for a one on one talk with him, work out the 
> fine details.
You are invited - my mail and phone appears in the my web site. But to 
make it easier: 03-6406915 and eddiea [at] cs.tau.ac.il
> 
>                 Shachar
Eddie
> 
> 


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