On Sun, 22 Feb 2004, guy keren wrote: > > On Sun, 22 Feb 2004, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > > > We are looking for a good Wiki type solution for hamakor's web site. > > Being the reknown paranoid I am, I'm looking for a well known solution, > > prefereably one that I can just apt-get install. For reasons I would > > rather not go into at the moment, if it has to use a database system, I > > prefer it to be Postgresql to MySQL. > > > > I was wondering about Zope. I know it is more of an infrastructure than > > a system, but it's supposed to have a wiki system (as well as 2^37 other > > things), and it is, by all means, a well known solution. I was more > > wondering about whether it is not going to turn out to be a total > > overkill, and an administration nightmare? I have not administrated it > > before. > > zope was used as iglu's engine in the past. it was dropped, because it was > hard to install and manage (i.e. there was an update pending for a long, > long, long time, before eventually shlomi (i think) set up a replacement, > and zope was dropped. > > it's not 'open' enough to extend, and not too many people around know how > to program for it (at least that was the case on iglu). > > i state all of this not because i found it hard to manage (i never eevn > tried), but rather because of the fact that it was never realy managed by > anyone except chen. so you do the math... >
Well, I can elaborate on this a bit. What Guy said is correct. We found Zope very hard to make sense of, and very hard to automate and interact with. (none of us knew Python, much less Zope well enough). I tried upgrading it once. After the product itself was upgraded, we had to upgrade the components. The squishdot component had to be upgraded from its earliest recorded release to its current one, each time requiring a few manual steps. (why not have a unified regression script is beyond my understanding). Then came the Cross-Site Scripting bug, so we decided to immediately drop it in favour of PostNuke. As for Wikis: it seems to me that Zope would be an overkill if everything you want is a wiki. My take on some of the Wikis I encountered: 1. Kwiki (http://kwiki.org/) - extremely easy to set up, but has a pretty limited syntax and quite annoying conventions. Still, not half bad. Has many extensions available. Does not support attachments. 2. Chiq Chaq - relatively easy to set up. Supports Hebrew very well. A JavaScript-hell so it's better to avoid it. (and ergo, quite unreliable) 3. TWiki - Does not seem too easy to set up, but I was very impressed from its power and conventions. Supports attachments very well. 4. MediaWiki - this is the wiki behind the Wikipedia. Very, very powerful. Could be an overkill for many uses. Never tried setting it up. There are plenty of others: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiEngines Regards, Shlomi Fish ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://shlomif.il.eu.org/ He has a high degree of idealism, a high degree of stubbornness, and an even higher degree of inability to distiniguish between the two. ================================================================= To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
