Nadav Har'El wrote: > It doesn't make us a totalitarian state, unless the police actually (ab)uses > this power, and so > far, I don't think that it actually does. Exactly, but that's just the point... in any sane democracy there are structures in place to prevent such abuses taking place. Like before I gave my example of police needing to obtain a search warrant before they can break into someone's house, they need to prove that such action is necessary to someone other than themselves, and be able to back up their claim. If that wasn't the case, do you not think the ability to search people's houses would be abused? Such power needs to be monitored; its a matter of protecting our society from human nature.
So, with the new law, I don't think suddenly all our rights are going to be abused... but I can see the police using this new system more and more often, each time with less and less hard reason... until such use is common place and unmonitored (unmonitored within the police, that is... seeing as they are already right now getting rid of any higher power to check up on them). And I think that process, no matter how many years it will take, will lead to a totalitarian system, and that's why I think no other democracy in the entire world is allowing such a thing. Moshe Leibovitch wrote: > I'm wonder if the Israeli law allows you to > encrypt your communications over public channels. > I wouldn't shock me to find out the even this discussion is illegal :) Yes, discussing such policies could indeed be dangerous, especially since there is enough information in a typical email message received from this list to - with the new system in place - get your full name, address and every other detail about you. Actually by subscribing to this list and writing a simple script and letting it run for a month or so, you could have everyone's full details ready and waiting to arrest this cell which could threaten the police's reputation (and could be arrested for an illegal discussion). Yes, an extreme and hypothetical example, and I think very unlikely, but still *possible* - and that should worry you :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In addition, stop using your ISP's email, use either GMAIL or HOTMAIL or > whatever you like. As YBA suggested, encrypt email. Use steganography. Use > pigeons. Any webmail = good. Whatever you like = bad. Don't forget on usual SMTP communications, the mail server will record the sender IP address and time the email was received from it. That's enough info with the new law to get your full name, address, etc. With webmail, the webserver connects to the mail server and so the recorded address is 'localhost'... I wouldn't use webmail in Israel though :) Don't forget you'll need to use a proxy server outside of Israel for any website in Israel which records your IP address, and any website in the world which could display your IP address (e.g. a wiki if aren't registered, or forget to log in.. big mistake :)). Network security is nothing new for me, I can't imagine too many major changes to my regular routine... it will just be a shit feeling thinking that the people I'm now protecting myself against are the people who are meant to be protecting me! Gadi -- Gadi Cohen aka Kinslayer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> www.wastelands.net Freelance admin/coding/design HABONIM DROR linux/fantasy enthusiast KeyID 0x93F26EF5: 256A 1FC7 AA2B 6A8F 1D9B 6A5A 4403 F34B 93F2 6EF5 ================================================================= To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
