On 03/09/2007, at 22:57, Lior Kesos wrote:

Hi Herouth,
What I don't understand is the whole LAMP grudge your carrying around... From my experience (as someone that lives off LAMP related training,projects, products) there is a big difference in the development experience between wielding zope, doing home grown cgi- perl development, custom php development, python coding etc... I have focused on drupal a magnificant LAMP based cms and development framework and although I hate php - I totally adore the framework I develop in (drupal) and I can realize my cutstomers vision which is quite satisfying.

It's all a matter of taste, of course. I'm sick-sick-sick and tired of writing yet-another-page that displays data from a database. It really doesn't matter if the language is PHP, Perl or Python (they are just alternatives for the "P" in LAMP). I have no particular preference for a language. It's the sort of applications that you can build using the HTTP protocol that I'm sick of - web services, forms, buttons, integrity checks. Oh, and Javascript is, in fact, my least favourite platform. I find it unreliable, with compatibility problems between platforms, and it's generally being used in order to force HTML to do things it is not supposed to do. Eventually you may have nice interfaces, but they are interfaces into nothing. If there is anything interesting to be done on the backend, it's usually done by a different class of programmers, and they provide the web programmers with an easy API into their system, and so, all you have to do on the server side is access the API, and do something with the resulting data.

The truth is that all web applications are just sugar coated information systems, and nowadays, with Ajax, they are really no different than the client-server applications people used to write back in the late '80s and early '90s.

All this is boring me to tears. I'm not at all sure airline pilots have it harder. :-S

Basically, I think anything one has done for 11 years straight tends to become boring, but really, there is no challenge in LAMP other than trying to overcome the limitations of the browsers and the HTTP protocol.

Herouth

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