Hi Dotan!

On Friday 06 June 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/6/6 Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Hi Ely!
> >
> > Thanks for your comment.
> >
> > On Friday 06 June 2008, Ely Levy wrote:
> >> No offense, but it seems you just had some bad experience with an op
> >> on a channel.
> >
> > Not just one op - several of them. They kept ping-ponging me from one
> > place to another, and no-one would listen to what I wanted to say ro care
> > to.
> >
> >> from that to declaring a distribution as dead there is a long distance.
> >
> > I picked up the sensationalistic title on purpose - Ubuntu has gone from
> > pretty good to extremely bad.
> >
> >> So someone misquoted you and thought you are sexist, big deal move on.
> >
> > I did move on.
> >
> >> Not to mention check out how many channels gentoo has (and how
> >> obsessed they are on staying
> >> on topic). or debian or actually most community developed distributions
> >> I know.
> >
> > Well, it doesn't make Ubuntu any less worse. It's the "a problem of many
> > - a consolation of fools" fallacy.
> >
> >> I think the comment you got for your bug report was true and polite,
> >
> > It was not polite - it was laconic and annoying, and he didn't help me
> > solve my problems, or instruct me how to do so.
> >
> >> bugzilla is not a place
> >> for community issues, there are forums mailing list and so on.
> >
> > Then how do you explain Bug #1? It is a place for all sorts of bugs and
> > issues - community, philosophical - anything that prevents one from
> > receiving help, joining the fun and contributing to it.
> >
> > Without a bug report open somewhere, these issues tend to persist, or
> > even worsen.
> >
> >> So calm down, take a deep breath, go for a round around the block :)
> >
> > I did that.
> >
> >> Then I'm sure you will find the right people to address, complain to
> >> ubuntu ethics
> >> about that person or just forgive and forget there are annoying people
> >> in every community :)
> >
> > Why not the bug tracker? And if not the bug tracker then where.
> >
> > Like I said I still think Ubuntu is dying.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >        Shlomi Fish
>
> Could you provide links to the bugs and mailing lists posts that have
> troubled you. I'm interested.

They are linked in my original post, but here they are anyway:

1. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/%2Bbug/237852 - this is the bug, which 
contains more links.

2. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/2008-June/001544.html - this 
is the introduction that I sent to the Ubuntu-Women mailing lists. I should 
note that I consulted an Ubuntu-Women member I know on GChat on it and she 
said it was OK, and also consulted other people on IRC and IM. You can see 
the rest of the thread here:

https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/2008-June/thread.html#1544

3. The infamous Ubuntu bug #1 is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 it 
reads "Microsoft has a majority market share" and is marked as critical. If 
it's a software problem with Ubuntu, then I am a Jackalope.

4. My original post is: 
http://community.livejournal.com/shlomif_tech/11379.html

Regards,

        Shlomi Fish

>
> Dotan Cohen
>
> http://what-is-what.com
> http://gibberish.co.il
> א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת
>
> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?


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