>>>>> "Binand" == Binand Raj S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Binand> Hmm... which school college is this, anyway??
If you are very determined, you can do that in any institution. But the
problem is that sometimes a dialog box will popup with two options:
_R_epeat or _Q_uit, with the [ESC] key being disabled. ;-)
>> Here're the some of the advantages of using Gnus over Mutt.
>>
>> * Gnus is a mail agent as well as news reader. So if you prefer to
>> use the same program for reading news as well as mail, you may want
>> to use Gnus.
Binand> Mutt is a mail client. Period. Compare it with the mail client
Binand> features of Gnus. Compare the news reader features of Gnus to,
Binand> say, slrn
You missed the "If you prefer" part here. (Suresh didn't.)
>> * Because Gnus is just an extension to Emacs, you can use all of
>> Emacs's features, including macros, incremental searching, and all
>> the editing commands etc in Gnus also.
Binand> If you use the emacs server, then emacs can be used to edit
Binand> emails in mutt too.
You missed the point here. I was not talking about just composing
messages. You can use your Emacs commands for many other things in
Gnus. For instance, killing a bunch of groups you are subscribed with a key
stroke etc.
And yeah, my $EDITOR is set to "gnuclient" (An improved
"emacsclient"). Emacs is not that usable otherwise. :-(
Also there is a "Mutt mode" for Emacs, if you want to use Emacs[client] as
your editor for composing messages in Mutt.
Binand> I believe vim is also getting this client/server functionality
Binand> soon.
Is that really needed for Vim?? Vim was never as "heavy" as [X]Emacs.
Binand> lbdb is fairly old. Its got a bbdb module as well. :-) It hooks
Binand> into both emacs and mutt. Though it stores only email
Binand> addresses, what else do you need when you are using a mail
Binand> client??
My girlfriend's birthday.
>> * Multipart/HTML mails may be displayed inline in Gnus. (Unlike Mutt
>> where you have to call a browser like Lynx to read HTML mails).
Binand> You mean mutt is bad because it does not include the
Binand> functionality of a web browser??
Displaying HTML in your application doesn't mean that you have to sit down
and write your browser code. Also, there are some better ways than just
spawning a browser.
Please read http://primates.ximian.com/~miguel/bongo-bong.html
Off-topic, but an eye opener for all "Do one thing at a time" zealots.
>> * Full GUI support under X. * Better looks. ;-) * A far better
>> name. ;-)
Binand> Yeah. Microsoft *sounds* a much better name for a software
Binand> company than anything else. Also, according to consensus, the
Binand> Windows GUI is better looking, and almost every piece of
Binand> software written for Windows hooks into that GUI.
It's not my fault that you missed the humour here.
>> All these, without losing *any* of the power of Mutt. If you want,
>> you can edit even the message-id. ;-)
Binand> Its not recommended. It has to be unique across the globe, and
Binand> for every email ever generated, and its better to let the
Binand> software generate it.
Again, you missed the *If* part here.
Binand> One very important point. Mutt implements only an email
Binand> messages management interface. For other purposes (rendering
Binand> MIME parts, Editing, Mail transport) it depends on other
Binand> specialised software. Just the fact that there exists emacs
Binand> software that does these things doesn't mean that an emacs
Binand> based mail client (that hooks into emacs the way other software
Binand> do) is better. Most of the features you find in Gnus is
Binand> courtesy other emacs modules and hence, your comparison is
Binand> almost similar to saying my RedHat 7.3 is a better mail client
Binand> than your Microsoft Outlook because its got a webserver and 50
Binand> games in-built.
Ofcourse not. But I can say that "I prefer to read my mails in my RHL 7.3
box rather than Outlook because I won't be hit by worms." And I need not
bother whether it's because of my great MUA or the security policy of the
Linux kernel or the very design philosphy of UNIX.
I don't give a damn whether foo.el is originally a part of the Gnus distro
or not. But as far as an end user is concerned, all these pieces will fit
together nicely. That is the whole rationale behind using a LISP
interpreter called Emacs as your Editor/MUA/News-reader/IDE or whatever.
And that's why Emacs is called the "OTP" and has a place in
alt.religion.*. If you didn't understand what I said in my last post, you
never understood Emacs.
Unlike Mutt, Gnus is not a standalone program. It *is* an Emacs
sub-system. The simple point is that if you use Gnus, the great features of
Emacs will be automatically available to you. Plus a beautiful language
called Elisp to configure/extend your mailer.
In my previous post, I never said that Gnus was great for everyone. If
Emacs is your OS, then Gnus may be your mail program. If you can't figure
out what C-C is, then Gnus is not for you.
PS: The whole point in me taking the time to write the big essay was because
the OP was asking the list to share the experience of persons who shifted
from Mutt to Gnus. I hope that was not a time wasted.
Anoop
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