>>"Sandip" == Sandip Bhattacharya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

 Sandip> But I strongly disagree to the notion that "real" programming
 Sandip> is only when you use non-IDE interfaces.

        I tend not to disagree.

 Sandip> It is like people about two decades ago saying punch-cards
 Sandip> programming or op-code programming is better than keyboard or
 Sandip> C programming respectively. I even know some people in those
 Sandip> ages sneering at C, and calling it a tool for
 Sandip> non-programmers(compared to their assembly language!). Change

        Actually, any contempt I feel is not for the tool, but for
 people who use it as a crutch, and to defend their not learning their
 craft. 

        Frankly, I have yet to see an IDE that provides even half the
 power of a well tuned emacs implementation.

 Sandip> Non-IDE development environments has got many passionate
 Sandip> followers. But even more than them are people who felt such
 Sandip> environments daunting. Who knows how many potential "Bill
 Sandip> Joys" we have lost that way!

        None. For if they are defeated by mere syntax, they do not
 have what it takes to be a Bill Joy. Or even a halfway decent
 programmer. 

 Sandip> The typical reaction of these followers has been to keep
 Sandip> things that way(knowledge is power).

        Knowledge is indeed power. But No one is hoarding that
 knowledge -- and all my 

 Sandip> I rather feel that if the objective is to bring people and
 Sandip> computers(in general, not just Linux) together, these
 Sandip> environments(IDE et al) should get as much support from the
 Sandip> non-IDE types.

        Why do you think that is an objective of the people who are
 actually doing the work in the free software arena?

        Folks, I suggest you seriously examine the motivation of the
 people behind free software, espescially if you are committing
 yourself, your carreer, or your company to it. (The BSD folk I have
 talked to would seriously balk at that implied motive ;-)

        manoj
-- 
 Too often people have come to me and said, "If I had just one wish
 for anything in all the world, I would wish for more user-defined
 equations in the HP-51820A Waveform Generator Software." Instrument
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