On Mon, 2018-03-12 at 15:30 -0700, James Bottomley wrote:
> On Mon, 2018-03-12 at 17:53 -0400, Mimi Zohar wrote:
> > - This use case, when the TPM is not builtin and unavailable before
> > IMA is initialized.
> > 
> > I would classify this use case as an IMA testing/debugging
> > environment, when it cannot, for whatever reason, be builtin the
> > kernel or initialized before IMA.
> > 
> > From Dave Safford:
> >     For the TCG chain of trust to have any meaning, all files have to
> >     be measured and extended into the TPM before they are accessed.
> > If
> >     the TPM driver is loaded after any unmeasured file, the chain is
> >     broken, and IMA is useless for any use case or any threat model.
> I don't think this is quite the correct characterisation.  In principle
> the kernel could also touch the files before IMA is loaded.  However,
> we know from the way the kernel operates that it doesn't.  We basically
> trust that the kernel measurement tells us this.  The same thing can be
> made to apply to the initrd.

With the builtin "tcb" policy, IMA-measurement is enabled from the
very beginning.  Afterwards, the system can transition to a custom
policy based on finer grain LSM labels, which aren't available on

> The key question is not whether the component could theoretically
> access the files but whether it actually does so.

As much as you might think you know what is included in the initramfs,
IMA-measurement is your safety net, including everything accessed in
the TCB.


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