On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 09:51:55AM -0400, Johannes Weiner wrote: > On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 09:32:45AM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote: > > I wouldn't mind to loop over try_to_free_pages to meet the requested > > memcg_nr_pages_over_high target. > > Should we do the same for global reclaim? Move reclaim to userspace > resume where there are no GFP_FS, GFP_NOWAIT etc. restrictions and > then have everybody just reclaim exactly what they asked for, and punt > interrupts / kthread allocations to a worker/kswapd?
Oof, typo: I meant limit reclaim by memory.max and memory.limit_in_bytes. Not physical memory reclaim of course. > > > > > > Also if the current high reclaim scaling is insufficient then we > > > > > > should > > > > > > be handling that via memcg_nr_pages_over_high rather than > > > > > > effectivelly > > > > > > unbound number of reclaim retries. > > > > > > > > > > ??? > > > > > > > > I am not sure what you are asking here. > > > > > > You expressed that some alternate solution B would be preferable, > > > without any detail on why you think that is the case. > > > > > > And it's certainly not obvious or self-explanatory - in particular > > > because Chris's proposal *is* obvious and self-explanatory, given how > > > everybody else is already doing loops around page reclaim. > > > > Sorry, I could have been less cryptic. I hope the above and my response > > to Chris goes into more details why I do not like this proposal and what > > is the alternative. But let me summarize. I propose to use > > memcg_nr_pages_over_high > > target. If the current calculation of the target is unsufficient - e.g. > > in situations where the high limit excess is very large then this should > > be reflected in memcg_nr_pages_over_high. > > > > Is it more clear? > > Well you haven't made a good argument why memory.high is actually > different than any other form of reclaim, and why it should be the > only implementation of page reclaim that has special-cased handling > for the inherent "unfairness" or rather raciness of that operation. > > You cut these lines from the quote: > > Under pressure, page reclaim can struggle to satisfy the reclaim > goal and may return with less pages reclaimed than asked to. > > Under concurrency, a parallel allocation can invalidate the reclaim > progress made by a thread. > > Even if we *could* invest more into trying to avoid any unfairness, > you haven't made a point why we actually should do that here > specifically, yet not everywhere else. > > (And people have tried to do it for global reclaim, but clearly > this isn't a meaningful problem in practice.) > > I have a good reason why we shouldn't: because it's special casing > memory.high from other forms of reclaim, and that is a maintainability > problem. We've recently been discussing ways to make the memory.high > implementation stand out less, not make it stand out even more. There > is no solid reason it should be different from memory.max reclaim, > except that it should sleep instead of invoke OOM at the end. It's > already a mess we're trying to get on top of and straighten out, and > you're proposing to add more kinks that will make this work harder. > > I have to admit, I'm baffled by this conversation. I consider this a > fairly obvious, idiomatic change, and I cannot relate to the > objections or counter-proposals in the slightest. > >  http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail//linux/kernel/0810.0/0169.html