On 30.04.2013, at 02:32, Rusty Russell wrote:

> Alexander Graf <ag...@suse.de> writes:
>> Am 29.04.2013 um 05:09 schrieb Rusty Russell <ru...@rustcorp.com.au>:
>> 
>>> Alexander Graf <ag...@suse.de> writes:
>>>> On 26.04.2013, at 13:04, Pranavkumar Sawargaonkar wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> This patch-set implements early printk support for virtio console devices 
>>>>> without using any hypercalls.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The current virtio early printk code in kernel expects that hypervisor 
>>>>> will provide some mechanism generally a hypercall to support early 
>>>>> printk. This patch-set does not break existing hypercall based early 
>>>>> print support.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This implementation adds:
>>>>> 1. Early writeonly register named early_wr in virtio console's config 
>>>>> space.
>>>>> 2. Host feature flags namely VIRTIO_CONSOLE_F_EARLY_WRITE for telling 
>>>>> guest about early-write capability in console device.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Early write mechanism:
>>>>> 1. When a guest wants to out some character, it has to simply write the 
>>>>> character to early_wr register in config space of virtio console device.
>>>> 
>>>> I won't nack this patch set, but I'll definitely express that I'm not 
>>>> happy with it.
>>>> 
>>>> MMIO registers are handled by a different layer than the virtio console 
>>>> itself. After the virtio refactoring in QEMU, they will be completely 
>>>> separate drivers. So we'll be in a similar mess with early printk as we 
>>>> are on the s390-virtio machine, where early printk is done through 
>>>> hypercalls and thus we can't directly link it to the console output.
>>>> 
>>>> I still don't see what the issue is with just implementing a small 
>>>> irq-less virtio driver for early printk.
>>> 
>>> Well, this shouldn't be mmio-specific, but I kind of get what you mean.
>>> 
>>> I consider this misnamed: it's an emergency write facility.  Linux may
>>> use it for an early console,
>> 
>> If Linux uses it for early console, you won't see any messages from before 
>> the virtio-console driver is initialized, because Linux thinks that it's all 
>> been printed out.
> 
> If you can't support it, don't offer the feature.

Fair enough.

> 
>>> but it's also useful for bringup and to
>>> give a method of emitting errors like "the console ring is corrupt".
>>> 
>>> A valid implementation may well be to only offer it with some magic
>>> qemu developer-only commandline and dump it to stdout.
>> 
>> Why implement it differently from other machines? There are facilities to 
>> call into firmware, so you could use that. There's the special Foundation 
>> model call that you could implement and reuse for this.
> 
> Sure, for ARM.  We *have* a console device.  It's the logical place to
> provide a simple write mechanism.  eg. consider bhyve on FreeBSD.

I don't quite see the point. The reason early printk works so well for x86 is 
that you have a UART at a predefined place.

> 
>> I don't see why anything like this has to live in virtio-mmio. Oh, and it 
>> should default to off.
> 
> virtio-console, not virtio-mmio.

How will it live in virtio-console? Virtio-console speaks virtio, not register 
values. If you put this into the config space you break the s390 virtio model.


Alex

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