On Dec 2, 2009, at 2:56 PM, Dmitry Torokhov wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 02:22:18PM -0500, Jarod Wilson wrote:
>> On 12/2/09 12:30 PM, Jon Smirl wrote:
>>>>>> (for each remote/substream that they can recognize).
>>>>>>> I'm assuming that, by remote, you're referring to a remote receiver 
>>>>>>> (and not to
>>>>>>> the remote itself), right?
>>>>> If we could separate by remote transmitter that would be the best I
>>>>> think, but I understand that it is rarely possible?
>>> The code I posted using configfs did that. Instead of making apps IR
>>> aware it mapped the vendor/device/command triplets into standard Linux
>>> keycodes.  Each remote was its own evdev device.
>> Note, of course, that you can only do that iff each remote uses distinct  
>> triplets. A good portion of mythtv users use a universal of some sort,  
>> programmed to emulate another remote, such as the mce remote bundled  
>> with mceusb transceivers, or the imon remote bundled with most imon  
>> receivers. I do just that myself.
>> Personally, I've always considered the driver/interface to be the  
>> receiver, not the remote. The lirc drivers operate at the receiver  
>> level, anyway, and the distinction between different remotes is made by  
>> the lirc daemon.
> The fact that lirc does it this way does not necessarily mean it is the
> most corerct way.

No, I know that, I'm just saying that's how I've always looked at it, and 
that's how lirc does it right now, not that it must be that way.

> Do you expect all bluetooth input devices be presented
> as a single blob just because they happen to talk to the sane receiver
> in yoru laptop? Do you expect your USB mouse and keyboard be merged
> together just because they end up being serviced by the same host
> controller? If not why remotes should be any different?

A bluetooth remote has a specific device ID that the receiver has to pair with. 
Your usb mouse and keyboard each have specific device IDs. A usb IR *receiver* 
has a specific device ID, the remotes do not. So there's the major difference 
from your examples.

> Now I understand that if 2 remotes send completely identical signals we
> won't be able to separete them, but in cases when we can I think we
> should.

I don't have a problem with that, if its a truly desired feature. But for the 
most part, I don't see the point. Generally, you go from having multiple 
remotes, one per device (where "device" is your TV, amplifier, set top box, 
htpc, etc), to having a single universal remote that controls all of those 
devices. But for each device (IR receiver), *one* IR command set. The desire to 
use multiple distinct remotes with a single IR receiver doesn't make sense to 
me. Perhaps I'm just not creative enough in my use of IR. :)

Jarod Wilson

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