Linux-Misc Digest #395, Volume #18 Tue, 29 Dec 98 15:13:09 EST
Contents:
what do linux fokes vote? (J�rgen Spangen)
Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Evan Carew)
Re: Is Microsoft a nasty company ? I'm asking you this question. (Peter McDermott)
Partitions, partitions... (Fernando Raimundo)
Re: Wich Window Manag.for my 486 ?? (Decklin Foster)
Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Brett W. McCoy)
Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Evan Carew)
Re: ln: Musty smell to its man page (brian moore)
Margin When Printing Postscript?? (Jonathan Nagler)
Re: The goal of Open Source (Victor Danilchenko)
Re: Infringement of the GPL (Victor Danilchenko)
chroot / execvp probs under RedHat 5.1 (Noah Romer)
How to create a shell script? ("Rick Glunt")
Re: longname on fat 16 disk (Victor Danilchenko)
Re: Linux Autoexec.bat (Glenn Elmore)
Re: Partitions, partitions... (Gary Momarison)
conflict with ppp ("Dennis")
staroffice reinstall - help (Leon Haverly)
Re: Partitions, partitions... ("Dave Nelson")
Re: Infringement of the GPL (Victor Danilchenko)
Re: Is Microsoft a nasty company ? I'm asking you this question.
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Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Jason Clifford)
Re: Backing up a Linux Network (Gary Momarison)
Re: longname on fat 16 disk ("J�rgen Exner")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J�rgen Spangen)
Subject: what do linux fokes vote?
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:11:45 GMT
bill gates are democrate
silcon vally fokes are usely libertarian
so what are oss fokes?
left wing libertarian?
somthing else?
somthing new stuff (like trying too make a poltice idea based on
hacker ethick ?
EVRYTHING IS JUST A SATE OF MIND
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From: Evan Carew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:40:51 +0000
Anthony Ord wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Dec 1998 11:41:13 -0600, W R Carr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
[snip]
> >In my experience, that's not true. It's a simple matter to execute "ATTRIB -S -R
>-H *.*
> >/S" to have access to all files in the system and do anything desire. The same is
>also
> >true in Windows 98. Pure DOS allows you to wreak havoc on any file you choose...
>
> I would construe this as intent. Wouldn't you?
>
>
Intent, or bad MS/3rd party app programming? Where does one draw the line?
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From: Peter McDermott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.linux.x,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Is Microsoft a nasty company ? I'm asking you this question.
Date: 28 Dec 1998 16:20:55 -0000
Peter Seebach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>On Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:41:17 GMT, Peter Seebach wrote these thought
>>provoking words :
>>>: Higher learning difficulty. It may not be harder to use.
>>I think that it is unfair to ignore the learning curve associated with
>>learning how to do something when making the final assessment about
>>the difficulty of doing it.
> True. But it's also unfair to look *only* at the learning curve. This
> is what crippled the Mac - people insisted on not making it possible to
> ever get at a feature that might be hard to learn to use, even as an
> option.
Huh? I'm having trouble parsing this sentence.
Do you have an example of some sort of functionality *not*
implemented on a mac that illustrates this, or were you
just mac-bashing?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fernando Raimundo)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Partitions, partitions...
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:23:15 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi!
I'm new to Linux (not to Unix, but that's ancient history so for all
purposes I'm a beginner).
I have a machine running Win98. I added a second hard drive (4.3G) and
installed Linux on it. My intention was
1) To "dual boot" using the BIOS Boot Sequence parameter.
2) To create a FAT partition on the second disk to be shared by both OSs.
After reading the docs, I installed using Disk Druid to
1) Create Linux native and swap partitions as recommended ( /, /usr and
/home, plus swap).
2) Create a "DOS > 32M" partition.
3) Install LILO on that second disk (/dev/hdb).
Well, it failed both ways. Changing boot sequence to "D, A" just hangs =
the
machine with a PRESS ANY KEY TO REBOOT message. I need to boot from a
floppy. And though Win98 recognizes that DOS partition (and allowed me to
format it), it is recognized neither by Linux nor pure DOS.
Any ideas on this? I *know* that boot sequence should work because I've =
used
it on my system (based on an Asus P2B with Bios revision 1006 =
motherboard)
to dual boot between two Win98 disks. And from the docs, DOS partitions,
even with long names, (except FAT32, I believe) should be sharable (I =
tryed
to mount it as VFAT, but failed).=20
Should I install some other way? Maybe partition with Win98 first, then =
with
Disk Druid?=20
If so, how can I call Disk Druid *not* for instalation? That's because =
DOS's
fdisk won't erase Linux's partitions, and Disk Druid won't allow that
either, claiming I must create a root partition at least.
Thanx for any help!
=46ernando Raimundo
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Subject: Re: Wich Window Manag.for my 486 ??
From: Decklin Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:25:04 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus) writes:
> Try lwm, and use dfm as your file manager. Makes up for one megabyte total
> memory usage. Alternatively, get uwm at <URL: http://www.ude.org>, but you
> need to get used to it.
Where can I get dfm? I just looked through all my debs but didn't find
it. Alternatively, you could email me for a copy of my window manager,
swim... It uses 100k or so less than lwm. I'm still polishing it up
for uploading to the web, but it would be great to have beta testers.
--
Please read: <URL:http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/>
The Web is to graphic design as the fax machine is to literature.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brett W. McCoy)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:14:22 GMT
On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 15:49:43 -0500, Victor Danilchenko
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Taoism: export DEITY=`cat core`
Actually, I would make that
export DEITY='cat /proc/kcore'
--
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http://www.lan2wan.com/~bmccoy/
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From: Evan Carew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 17:01:08 +0000
Anthony Ord wrote:
> On 23 Dec 1998 11:36:42 +0100, Ketil Z Malde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >- or
> >more likely, lightning strikes your computer, it could happen. :-)
>
> If lightning struck my computer, I would need a new window, new
> curtains, a new desk, and I would be picking solidfied metal out of
> the carpet. The fact that it didn't boot, would be the least of my
> troubles. ;-)
>
Actually, an office that I occasionally contract for recently was missed
(just barely) by lightning. Every PC in the building was hosed. Why? It
turns oyt that the long ethernet cable in use at that time acted like a
fairly effecient antena that then generated a DC current in response to the
moving charges of the nearby lightning strike. My gues is that a telephone
line and a modem would have the same vulnerability.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: ln: Musty smell to its man page
Date: 29 Dec 1998 17:54:06 GMT
On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:02:33 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore) wrote:
> > On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 02:45:36 GMT,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > My point is that quota system is very difficult to implement cleanly. And
> > > there will be ways to cheat them How about creating fifo and storing the
> data
> > > ? If your system has uptime in years then you can safely store mega bytes
> >
> > Not likely.
> >
> > Have you tried this?
>
>
> i dont have access to mc which has quota enabled. But here is the url
> which talks about this
>
> http://www.rootshell.com/archive-j457nxiqi3gq59dv/199807/linuxfs.txt.html
Ah, but that talks about an entirely different thing, not storing data
in a fifo at all.
(Hint: you can't write to a fifo if there isn't a reader. It's not a
storage device.)
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: Jonathan Nagler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Margin When Printing Postscript??
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:50:41 -0500
hi. I just installed RH5.2, and I have an HP laserjet 4ML postscript
printer. When
I lend postscript output to it using lpr, I am losing about the top 1/3
to 1/2 inch of
the page.
I used printtool to change the top/bottom margin on the laserjet 4
driver. It had been 18 points. I changed it to 36. This had NO IMPACT.
I'm using the driver that printtool set up - but I'm suspicous as it
seems to make
no distinction between postscript and non-postscript printers.
Does anyone know what controls the top margin? I'm running ghostscript
4.03
(though I wouldn't think it should be called as this is a poscript
printer).
Note: I tried using both the laserjet4 driver and postscript driver from
printtool and got the exact same result.
Any help would be appreciated,
-jonathan nagler
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 10:35:22 -0500
From: Victor Danilchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The goal of Open Source
steve mcadams wrote:
>
> On 27 Dec 1998 19:41:25 -0500, David Steuber
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > By making it open source, without necessarily releasing
> >control of it, programmers can have others do their debugging for
> >them.
>
> How do you make it "open source" without necessarily releasing control
> of it? I admit to being inexpert at the "open source" concept but
> this sounds like a contradiction.
I think this is basically what Perl-style "Artistic License" does. The
stuff is OpenSource, but any modifications not authorized by the code
maintainer have to be released as patches, rather than being integrated
into the main body of code and then released.
> About the only thing I've concluded so far is that the philosophy
> expressed by Richard Stallman is diametrically opposed to my concept
> of freedom. I don't know that his is the only view of "open source",
> but it could be for all I do know. -steve
GPL is, AFAICT, the first, and probably still the most widely used;
however, OpenSource covers a number of different copyright models.
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 10:39:47 -0500
From: Victor Danilchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Infringement of the GPL
steve mcadams wrote:
>
> Apologies. Whenever someone says the individual should suffer so
> mankind can benefit, that's who comes to mind. I regret that you were
> offended. -steve
Individual criminals suffer so that mankind can benefit (they are
prevented from comitting more crimes, at the very least). The question
is not "if", but "to what extent".
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Noah Romer)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: chroot / execvp probs under RedHat 5.1
Date: 29 Dec 1998 18:39:52 GMT
I'm running into the following problem: whenever I try to use the chroot
program, I get the following error message:
"chroot: cannot execute /bin/bash: No such file or directory"
It doesn't matter if I just do a "chroot <dir>" or "chroot <dir>
<command>", it can never find the command (even if I give it the whole
path to the command).
This appears to be an issue w/ execvp, since that's what chroot's failing
on, but I can't figure out what's going on (the parameters passed to
execvp look good to me, but I don't use it very often).
BTW I actually encountered this first while trying to setup jitterbug,
which keeps failing when it calls the chroot function (not the program in
this case), but I think they're different issues.
--
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From: "Rick Glunt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How to create a shell script?
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 10:36:57 -0500
I have attempted to create a shell script using vi but cannot get it to
execute. If I call the file test, after typeing in test I get an error like
"bash: test: command not found". What can I do? I've done a chmod +x test
and that doesn't help.
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 10:48:46 -0500
From: Victor Danilchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: longname on fat 16 disk
Ceccarini wrote:
>
> I have a System dual boot Linux (RH 5.0) and NT SRV 4.0 spk3, I have
> some partitions in which I can access with either systems but the long
> name files can't be read by my linux system. I don't even know if I have
> Vfat running on Linux. How can I check, if I have to load a Vfat which
> version should I use.
Just pass a "-t vfat" flag to your mount command, it will mount your
FAT16 partition as VFAT.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Glenn Elmore)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Linux Autoexec.bat
Date: 29 Dec 1998 15:42:48 GMT
apparently, "JMV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: > This should be an easy question to answer. Unfortunately I have been unable
: > to find the answer in any of the Linux books I have.
: >
: > What is the Linux equivalent of the autoexec.bat file.?
After spending a little time studying a RH 5 installation I took HTML
notes to summarize the boot process; with an emphasis on how network
interface devices become configured. I may have screwed up and I don't
guarantee anything but I still refer to them from time to time when I'm
trying to figure things out. In case they may help you, these notes are
on my web page at
http://www.sonic.net/~n6gn/linux/init.html
Glenn Elmore
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From: Gary Momarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Partitions, partitions...
Date: 29 Dec 1998 11:17:15 -0800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fernando Raimundo) writes:
> I have a machine running Win98. I added a second hard drive (4.3G) and
> installed Linux on it. My intention was
> 1) To "dual boot" using the BIOS Boot Sequence parameter.
That's quite awkward even if it would work, and I don't think it would
unless your BIOS/MB could virtually swap the disks. If you're don't want
to risk using a regular multiboot scheme (like LILO), using loadlin from
DOS or booting off a floppy works well.
> 2) To create a FAT partition on the second disk to be shared by both OSs.
>
> After reading the docs, I installed using Disk Druid to
> 1) Create Linux native and swap partitions as recommended ( /, /usr and
> /home, plus swap).
> 2) Create a "DOS > 32M" partition.
> 3) Install LILO on that second disk (/dev/hdb).
IIRC, LILO's boot record must be on the first drive of the booting controller.
>
> Well, it failed both ways. Changing boot sequence to "D, A" just hangs the
> machine with a PRESS ANY KEY TO REBOOT message. I need to boot from a
> floppy. And though Win98 recognizes that DOS partition (and allowed me to
> format it), it is recognized neither by Linux nor pure DOS.
Pure DOS doesn't see any non-DOS partitions or any partition "after" it.
If Druid is problematical, use Linux fdisk, or better, cfdisk.
Make each partition with the partition software of the OS that
will use it.
You can read lots more via Gary's Encyclopedia at
http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/installing-linux.html
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From: "Dennis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: conflict with ppp
Date: 29 Dec 1998 10:35:24 GMT
hi to all linuxers
I have a little bit weird problem on linux
the problem is after i compiled the kernel for my linux,
i can't get to the internet.
I'm using RedHat Linux 5.1
i usually used 'usernet' to get online, but after compile kernel
I can't get online.
does anyone have answer for me.
Thank you all
Happy New Year !!!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leon Haverly)
Subject: staroffice reinstall - help
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:13:08 GMT
i downloaded staroffice 5 and ... and ran the ./instal and all was installed
and propperly ended. in my wisdom :) i decided to remove the installation
files to recover space. then i ran the soffice and it wanted data from where
i just deleted. soooo i then removed all (?) the files in the new directories
and did a second install. now at the ./instal i get "the script file is now
being read" then the install screen partially appears and disappears and
i am back to a prompt.
did it create some type of licensing situation files i need to remove?
any help would be appreciated!
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From: "Dave Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Partitions, partitions...
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:22:43 -0600
Disconnect your first disk, install linux and LILO, make sure it works
rebooting, then reconnect your first disk. The BIOS should boot into either
fine then. Anytime you run LILO on it later on, do the same re
disconnecting. The master/slave thing gets in the way installing LILO
properly. You can use the BIOS to boot into either or you may want to
install the kernel and LILO to a floppy and use that to boot into linux.
Install linux on a primary partition.
I have Win98 on my first disk and linux on the second with a FAT32 partition
on the linux disk. Absolutely no problems with access by either system.
Create the partition with linux and format it with Win98 after you get
hooked back up.
Dave Nelson
Fernando Raimundo wrote in message <3688ee76.868126@wingate>...
Hi!
I'm new to Linux (not to Unix, but that's ancient history so for all
purposes I'm a beginner).
I have a machine running Win98. I added a second hard drive (4.3G) and
installed Linux on it. My intention was
1) To "dual boot" using the BIOS Boot Sequence parameter.
2) To create a FAT partition on the second disk to be shared by both OSs.
After reading the docs, I installed using Disk Druid to
1) Create Linux native and swap partitions as recommended ( /, /usr and
/home, plus swap).
2) Create a "DOS > 32M" partition.
3) Install LILO on that second disk (/dev/hdb).
Well, it failed both ways. Changing boot sequence to "D, A" just hangs the
machine with a PRESS ANY KEY TO REBOOT message. I need to boot from a
floppy. And though Win98 recognizes that DOS partition (and allowed me to
format it), it is recognized neither by Linux nor pure DOS.
Any ideas on this? I *know* that boot sequence should work because I've used
it on my system (based on an Asus P2B with Bios revision 1006 motherboard)
to dual boot between two Win98 disks. And from the docs, DOS partitions,
even with long names, (except FAT32, I believe) should be sharable (I tryed
to mount it as VFAT, but failed).
Should I install some other way? Maybe partition with Win98 first, then with
Disk Druid?
If so, how can I call Disk Druid *not* for instalation? That's because DOS's
fdisk won't erase Linux's partitions, and Disk Druid won't allow that
either, claiming I must create a root partition at least.
Thanx for any help!
Fernando Raimundo
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 10:38:11 -0500
From: Victor Danilchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Infringement of the GPL
steve mcadams wrote:
>
> On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:58:37 -0500, Victor Danilchenko
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > What makes him think that GPL is a good thing? Perhaps it's just a
> >different mentality. We are selfish by nature, but we as a species have
> >gotten this far by cooperating. We can transcend our genetic
> >programming, which is what many people do.
>
> It's easy to be unselfish when you have plenty. Has nothing to do
> with transcendance. Show me a millionaire who has given everything
> away and now lives in poverty, and I'll consider that perhaps some
> transcendance may have occurred. If it's not demonstrable mental
> illness<g> -steve
The natural tendency is to hoard more and more; however, many people
just "hoard" enough to have a decent living, and then stop going for
more money, thus transcending the abovementioned natural selfsish
tendency. Such people of course do not become millionaires, so your
example is a strawman...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.linux.x,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Is Microsoft a nasty company ? I'm asking you this question.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:37:06 -0500
On 28 Dec 1998 16:20:55 -0000, Peter McDermott
wrote these thought provoking words :
: Peter Seebach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: >>On Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:41:17 GMT, Peter Seebach wrote these thought
: >>provoking words :
: >>>: Higher learning difficulty. It may not be harder to use.
:
: >>I think that it is unfair to ignore the learning curve associated with
: >>learning how to do something when making the final assessment about
: >>the difficulty of doing it.
:
: > True. But it's also unfair to look *only* at the learning curve. This
: > is what crippled the Mac - people insisted on not making it possible to
: > ever get at a feature that might be hard to learn to use, even as an
: > option.
:
: Huh? I'm having trouble parsing this sentence.
:
: Do you have an example of some sort of functionality *not*
: implemented on a mac that illustrates this, or were you
: just mac-bashing?
He means that the MacOS lacks a CLI and therefore lacks all the
efficiency incurred by CLI based apps and operations.
Many CLI savvy individuals think that a GUI holds then back in many
instances and it is not always the more efficient interface to get
things done.
-== Allie ==-
*----------------------*
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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:39:28 +0000
On Mon, 28 Dec 1998, Martin Skj=F6ldebrand wrote:
> I'm trying to write my own clean uninstall utility. I'm not very
> familiar with Unix (have done Visual Basic before) so it's very
> slow...
Red Hat, SuSE and Caldera (using RPM) and Debian (using DEB) both offer
package management that already offers these facilities.
Jason Clifford
Definite Linux Systems
http://definite.ukpost.com/
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From: Gary Momarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Backing up a Linux Network
Date: 29 Dec 1998 11:34:31 -0800
"Jeff P. Koon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Has anyone else used Arkeia in an "enterprise" environment (more than 10
> servers...)
>
> Are there any issues about Arkeia that I should keep in mind
> (installation, tech support, etc.)
I just queried Deja News for "Arkeia" in "*linux*" newsgroups and
it says it has 700 entries. Spot checks in the last couple months
have something like "doesn't verify (relies on HW verify)"
"using OK for two weeks" "too buggy for production work"
"had to change block size to use with ftape" ...
A Arkeia tech said it's backking up gigabytes daily and they
get few complaints. Check it out.
You can get more info on backup in Gary's Encyclopedia at
http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/backup.html
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From: "J�rgen Exner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: longname on fat 16 disk
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 10:26:44 -0800
Ceccarini wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I have a System dual boot Linux (RH 5.0) and NT SRV 4.0 spk3, I have
>some partitions in which I can access with either systems but the long
>name files can't be read by my linux system. I don't even know if I have
>Vfat running on Linux. How can I check, if I have to load a Vfat which
>version should I use.
Why don't you just try to mout that partition as "vfat" instead of as
"msdos"?
If it doesn't work then you will have to recompile the kernel with vfat
support enabled. However I'm pretty sure, that at least the standard kernel
all come with vfat enabled.
jue
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