Linux-Misc Digest #395, Volume #19 Wed, 10 Mar 99 06:13:10 EST
Contents:
Re: kerneld not needed in 2.2? (Villy Kruse)
Re: IMAP server for Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Kernel NFS Problem; device busy (Anselm Lingnau)
Re: More bad news for NT (Harry)
Windows vs Unix was Re: TROLL/KOOK WARNING! (Patrick Dunford)
Re: KDE Password screwup (Andi Vontobel)
Re: modutils for 2.2.2 (Andre Hinrichs)
Re: Remote login for "root" - how??? (David Steuber)
Re: More bad news for NT (David Steuber)
Re: Profiler for Linux (David Steuber)
Re: Printing problem (David Steuber)
Re: SuSE 6.0 feelings please. (Martin Beier)
Re: Realplayer (J.H.M. Dassen (Ray))
Re: BEST HW For Linux NoteBook Project (Jason Clifford)
Re: BEST HW For Linux NoteBook Project (Jason Clifford)
Re: More bad news for NT ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul E Larson))
Re: Linux 2.2.2 and UFS write support - does it work? (Regit Young)
Re: A fork() question (Brian McCauley)
Re: Kernel NFS Problem; device busy (Rainer Krienke)
Worldwide CAD system language corrections ("Peter Placek")
Windows vs Unix was TROLL KOOK WARNING (Patrick Dunford)
Re: damn bastards (jik-)
Re: RPM install problem (jik-)
Re: special characters in UNIX how? ("Joe (theWordy) Philbrook")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Villy Kruse)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: kerneld not needed in 2.2?
Date: 10 Mar 1999 08:49:01 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Ewan Dunbar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Kerneld has been outmoded, as they say. Don't run it.
>
I think it is important to tell people that the functionality of kerneld
has been moved into the kernel and therefore you no longer need kerneld.
That is, if that inded is so. To just say it is outmoded doesn't make
sense as we (some people) still want very much to use loadable modules.
Villy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: IMAP server for Linux
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:08:26 GMT
One comes with most releases of linux, and just an FYI make sure you have the
latest one, it's a favorite back door of hackers.
Maybe check sunsite to see if they have one there for download....
In article <7a1upr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Aaron Dershem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anyone out there know of a good IMAP4 server for Linux? I'd like to
> start getting my feet wet with it rather than POP3.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Aaron Dershem
>
>
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Kernel NFS Problem; device busy
From: Anselm Lingnau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 9 Mar 1999 17:30:34 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Rainer Krienke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you only export it, there may be no one that really mounts ans
> useses the exported directory. So it should only be busy if someone
> really has a NFS mount sitting on it.
NFS doesn't work that way. The server cannot tell whether an exported
filesystem is currently mounted by a client or not. This is called
statelessness, and regarded by some people as a feature and by others as
a shortcoming.
Anselm
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From: Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 03:29:05 -0500
John Thompson wrote:
> Well, in a way it is quite different. Unlike MacOS or
> Windows, x does not impose a "look and feel" ... [snip]
You didn't get the bit about time lines then?
Harry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Patrick Dunford)
Crossposted-To: nz.comp,nz.politics
Subject: Windows vs Unix was Re: TROLL/KOOK WARNING!
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:49:57 +1300
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Yea verily Daniel Silva ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on Wed, 10 Mar 1999
21:43:07 +1300 in nz.comp: <7c5b8m$nc0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> didst
write unto us...
>Patrick Dunford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
><snip>
>>..... Not
>>Netscape's fault if you have fallen prey to the MS BS machine...ah yes
>>the page was engineered in FrontPage 2000, of course I should have
>>guessed...
>
>And your page contains <meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage
>Express 2.0">. Good page, though :-)
FPX doesn't have almost any of the proprietary MS crap in it, it's too
simple for that. People don't build serious websites with it, it only
comes with IE4 so people can background their desktop and folders IMO :)
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From: Andi Vontobel <"andi.vontobel(RxExMxOxVxE)"@gmx.net>
Subject: Re: KDE Password screwup
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:35:48 +0100
Boot with a floppy or a cdrom, mount your prtition containing
/etc remove the password int passwd or shadow
reboot from your harddisk an you can login as root without
a password.
cu Andy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I was in user manager in KDE and reset the password to root. When I went to
> File-Save, it said some file (can't remember) couldn't be updated. Exited
> out, rebooted, and neither my old or new password works. My new password
> was 8 characters. Can i continually hack away at it or does it suspend after
> a while. Any suggestions before I blow out and reload?
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From: Andre Hinrichs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: modutils for 2.2.2
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:54:11 +0100
Andre Hinrichs wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > In comp.os.linux.misc yhauser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I've installed kernel 2.2.2 successfully just for module support (marked
> > > ENABLE LOADABLE MODULE SUPPORT and KERNEL MODULE LOADER). My modutils
> > > are 2.1.85 - they run with my old kernel 2.0.33, but they fail with
> > > 2.2.2.
> > > Can anybody give me a hint?! yves
> > Yes.
> > You need modutils 2.1.121.
>
> Why is there still no modutils 2.2.x available?
>
> Andre
I got some mails wondering if this is necessary.
Ok, a new version is not necessary, but the modutils 2.1.121 is
located in the 2.1.x kernel tree, where the hacker versions are.
I think renaming the package to 2.2.0 and putting it to the
v2.2 kernel tree would be very good, since a lot of people ask
for the necessary modutils version for 2.2.x kernel series.
Bye
/Andre
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From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: Remote login for "root" - how???
Date: 09 Mar 1999 18:19:29 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
-> How do I allow root remote console login's - ie telnet, ftp, exceed etc. I
-> know I must edit the /etc/default/login file on Solaris, is there the same
-> kind of thing in RHL??
Might I humbly suggest that you rlogin as your self and then su to
root? Or are you on a closed network that can't be cracked from the
outside world?
man in.rlogind
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From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: 09 Mar 1999 18:35:46 -0500
Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
-> GUI time line? I had to laugh. Why does it split? Is X is a
-> different, parallel universe? What a load of tosh these potted
-> histories are.
Are you still on that old fashioned linear time?
The split was a space saving feature. I didn't want to bind up my
continuum or run accross the screen.
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From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Profiler for Linux
Date: 09 Mar 1999 18:10:02 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Fleming) writes:
-> This may be the wrong place to ask this question, but would anyone
-> know where I could find a profiler for Linux (for C development)?
man gprof
This might be what you want.
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From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Printing problem
Date: 09 Mar 1999 18:15:21 -0500
Len Cuff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
-> I have SuSE 6 installed and use apsfilter/Ghostprint5.5 to print to my
-> Epson600 Color. It works OK but when I print for example lpr /etc/hosts,
-> it always prints in landscape when I want portrait. Seems that landscape
-> is the default somehow. When I use Star Office it prints fine but
-> WordPerfect 8 goes back to landscape again even though I set up the
-> printer as portrait ! How can I set it to default to portrait all the
-> time ??
On my SuSE 6.0 system, lpr will print text files so that two pages are
printed on one sheet (two up?) by default. If there is fewer than two
pages, it will look like ordinary landscape. For two or more pages,
trees are saved, and so is toner.
man lpr
for more info on lpr. I can't help you with WP. I don't have it.
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From: Martin Beier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SuSE 6.0 feelings please.
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:13:13 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Keith Davey wrote:
> I would be interested in hearing from anyone who has installed SuSE
> 6.0. What do you think of the product? How would you compare it to
> other
> distros like RedHat 5.2 and so forth.
>
> Keith Davey
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm using SuSE since Version 5.0 It is easy to install and to
configure, and
it provides lots of usefull packages. However, the procedure of updating
a
version is not very clear. I had some serious problems while updating
from
5.0 to 5.2 for example. Additionally, I had some ISDN problems due to
some
non-working ppp scripts (i.e. lost the route to the internet gateway).
All in all I still would recommend the SuSE distribution!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J.H.M. Dassen (Ray))
Subject: Re: Realplayer
Date: 10 Mar 1999 09:31:06 GMT
Mehran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I've just installed Real player for Redhat. It works except each time I am
>trying to listen to an audio file (ram)from a site, it wants to save it
>instead of playing it.
Hmm. My Debian system took care of this automatically. It looks like you'll
have to update your /etc/mailcap to include something like
audio/x-pn-realaudio; rvplayer %s; test=test "$DISPLAY" != ""
HTH,
Ray
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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.portable,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: BEST HW For Linux NoteBook Project
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 03:42:51 +0000
On 9 Mar 1999, it was written:
> > OK then if you are so sure of this I challenge you to give the exact price
> > a person based in the UK would pay if they bought the system today
> > including shipping to the UK (next day service), import duty and VAT.
> > Don't forget to include the carriers admin charge for advanced payment of
> > the VAT and import duties.
>
> US$ 1632.66
Very droll. The simple fact is that my challenge cannot be answered so
simply as you have no way of knowing until after the delivery has arrived
how much you will have to pay in duties and VAT and courier admin fees.
Jason Clifford
Definite Linux Systems
http://definite.ukpost.com/
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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.portable,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: BEST HW For Linux NoteBook Project
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 03:47:15 +0000
On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Phil Stevens wrote:
> The original poster asked for opinions regarding inexpensive notebook
> hardware for a Linux installation project. Some of your Anglocentric
> feathers were ruffled when example prices in US dollars were
> mentioned. Some of us outside your country wondered why you carry on
> about UK newsgroups in international ones.
Because this thread is being cross posted to UK.comp.os.linux which,
strangely enough, is a UK specific newsgroup where the pound sterling is
the standard unit of currency.
> Indeed. Shall we all quote prices in Indonesian rupiahs from here on
> out?
Perhaps if you start cross posting the thread to an indian.
A better solution would be to trip the headers.
Jason Clifford
Definite Linux Systems
http://definite.ukpost.com/
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From: whistler<blahblah>@twcny.rr.com (Paul E Larson)
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:58:38 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Harry wrote:
>> You'd define a system policy and specify cmd.exe as the default
>> shell. Why, God only knows. It's a bit like buying a Lexus and then
>> deciding that all the electric motors for the back support etc and
>> all the extra trim is slowing the thing down.
>
>Putting a GUI on a server is like putting a Cadillac suspension on a pickup
>truck and then complaining when the springs bottom out when you put half a
>ton of gravel in the back. The Microsoft solution is to keep the Cadillac
>suspension and move up to a 5-ton, which can then just about handle that
>1000 lb load.
>
>With a decent OS there is no real need for any UI at all on the server. The
>UI belongs on the sysadmin's workstation.
Dang.... somebody better explain that to Novell then, Netware5 has a GUI on
its server, based on something called fvwm2. By the way the workstation based
sysadmin tools are a lot easier to use.
Paul
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From: Regit Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,alt.solaris.x86,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux 2.2.2 and UFS write support - does it work?
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:00:38 +0800
automount != same machine .....
However, I'm as curious as Rob, I too want to setup a common /home ....
"John D. Maag" wrote:
> This may be a 2.2.2 thing. I am automounting from Suns under 2.0.35
>
> > > I've built the 2.2.2 kernel containing UFS read and experimental UFS
> > > write support. I want to be able to share a home directory between my
> > > Linux and Solaris 7 installations. (On the same machine, obviously.)
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From: Brian McCauley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A fork() question
Date: 10 Mar 1999 08:43:57 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Okay, this is the deal! Playing with "fork"...
This is not really a Linux question but a generic Unix question, as
such you'd have done better to post it to comp.unix.questions (and
read the associated FAQ first if you have not already done so).
This is a classic. Just about every Unix programming newbie
encounters it. I do not know why it is not in the Unix FAQ.
printf() is part of the STDIO user-space buffering IO library.
If you printf("hello") and then fork() without fflush(STDOUT) first
then both the child and the parent will print "hello".
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rainer Krienke)
Subject: Re: Kernel NFS Problem; device busy
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
Date: 10 Mar 1999 11:17:12 +0100
[Posted and mailed]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Stefan Monnier
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>>>>> "Rainer" == Rainer Krienke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Allright this way it really works. But this approach has at least one
>> disadvantage: Linux users may be given the permission to
>> mount and umount directories but if the have to unexport directories the
>> do not have permissions to do so. So the user might not be able to
>> umount a directory just because of the export state he cannot change.
>
> The problem is not due to an `approach' but to the NFS protocol itself.
> NFS's statelessness means that in the general case, the nfsd doesn't really
> know which clients it is serving and their status. The clients could umount
> /cdrom without ever contacting the server.
No nfs does not know about this but my local mountd excatly knows what
NFS clients mounted filesystems from it. So my mountd can decide if my
local directory (eg my cdrom) is still busy or not. And thats the way eg
Sun Solaris works. You can without problems umount your cdrom even if it
is still exported (for some special devices like floppy and cdrom you
can even umount it if some client still HAS an NFS mount on your cdrom,
floppy. the client gets a Stale NFS Filehandle error then).
And this way the handling of NFS is more easy and there is no danger in
it. If you apply the rule "You can umount it, if none has (NFS) mounted
the directory" then nothing bad can happen, but handling of such
filesystems is much improved. Do you see any disadvantages ? I don�t
think there are. Have been working for years with SUNs and their NFS
implementation is in the point discussed here really better because it
is more easy working with it.
> It is true that the situation could be improved in some favorable cases,
> by it cannot be truely solved in general.
> But you can of course provide your users with a `safe-unexport' command
> (either setuid or run via sudo).
>
Ok, but this is a hack to bypass a "bug" in the linux NFS code. The
better way in my eyes is that linux supports NFS better in this
point.
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Crossposted-To: comp.jobs.computer,comp.jobs.misc,comp.jobs,comp.jobs.offered
Subject: Worldwide CAD system language corrections
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:04:58 +0100
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Patrick Dunford)
Crossposted-To: nz.comp,nz.politics
Subject: Windows vs Unix was TROLL KOOK WARNING
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:46:02 +1300
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Yea verily Daniel Silva ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on Wed, 10 Mar 1999
21:35:39 +1300 in nz.comp: <7c5aqm$mu7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> didst
write unto us...
>Patrick Dunford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
><snip>
>>Unix is not a legacy technology.
>
>In your opinion.
Get off the grass - MS is not going to make Unix go away!
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From: jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: damn bastards
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 13:23:27 -0800
D. Vrabel wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Richard Steiner wrote:
>
> > Here in comp.os.linux.misc, "Mr. Tinkertrain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > spake unto us, saying:
> >
> > >i hate those morons who say 'x-windows' instead of 'x-window'.
> > >ignorant fools.
> >
> > I usually say "X" because it's a lot easier to type. :-)
> man X will tell you all the official names for the X Window System.
>
> X
> X Window System
> X Version 11
> X Window System, Version 11
> X11
>
> I hate to say it but x-window is not there...
>
Its all very stupid anyway. I actually got kick-banned from a linux
channel on irc because I reffered to it as X windows. I don't think I
could possibly find anything more stupid to argue about if I tried.
People just need to take a chill pill, its not healthy to get so
stressed over something so trivial.
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From: jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: RPM install problem
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 22:26:40 -0800
If your using rpm in slackware you will almost always need the --nodeps
switch
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From: "Joe (theWordy) Philbrook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: special characters in UNIX how?
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 05:17:51 +0000
Reply-To: "Joe (theWordy) Philbrook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Mark Tranchant wrote:
=20
> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook wrote:
> > =A8How does one get the copyright character? =AE you know it's not rea=
lly (c) =AF
=20
> It's the 9th character in the above list here (Win95 (sorry - I'm at
> work!)).
Hmmmnnn well that's not what I see with pine, or vim (or less) when I view
this... Though it might have something to do with using ascii rather than
some ISO font... Ah well, I guess (c) will do... <g>
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