Linux-Misc Digest #457, Volume #18 Sun, 3 Jan 99 21:13:09 EST
Contents:
Re: How to partition a 9GB hard drive in Redhat 5.2? (Jerry Lynn Kreps)
Problem w/Linux recognizing > 64MB RAM (Norvell Spearman)
Re: help me choose Linux ... (Dan Nguyen)
Re: Problem w/Linux recognizing > 64MB RAM (Dan Nguyen)
IMAP Survey (Sean)
Re: Add Win95 Machine to Linux Network? (David Efflandt)
Re: help me choose Linux ... (Derek Sherlock)
Re: help me choose license ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Progress v8 on Linux? (Elmond Cheung)
Postscript printing problem ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: TUCOLS? Anything like it? (Derek Sherlock)
Re: TUCOLS? Anything like it? (Marc Greene)
Kernel fails to decompress ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
TUCOLS? Anything like it? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
GTK-CONFIG ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Any comments about these books? (Brian Lavender)
Re: RH 5.1: Colours, Shutdown (Nestor BELICARD)
Re: Upgrading Kernel from 2.0.29 to 2.0.36 (Brian Lavender)
UNIX98 PTYs (Lev Babiev)
Re: NOSPAM in addresses.. (David Steuber)
Re: Netscape eats up *all* the swap (Floyd Davidson)
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From: Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: How to partition a 9GB hard drive in Redhat 5.2?
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 16:39:25 -0600
Ilya wrote:
>
> That is, what partition sizes do I pick?
> I am thinking:
>
> /swap 512MB
Usually, swap is set to twice the RAM in the box. You running 256MB of
RAM?
> / 3G
> /var 1G
> /tmp 1G
> /home 3.5G
>
> The reason / is 3G is because I like to compile stuff and put it in /usr/local/bin.
> Also, /var/adm/crash.
>
> Any problems with that, any ideas?
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From: Norvell Spearman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Problem w/Linux recognizing > 64MB RAM
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 17:21:17 -0600
I installed RedHat Linux 5.1 at work on a machine that has 128 MB RAM.
The BIOS memory count showed the full 128 MB, but Linux is recognizing
only 64 MB. I've been using Linux at home for about two years, but on a
machine that's never had more than 64 MB so this is the first time I've
ever seen anything like this. Thanks for any help with this.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To reply, remove my opinion about unwanted e-mail. . .
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From: Dan Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: help me choose Linux ...
Date: 4 Jan 1999 00:00:09 GMT
mc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: What is the best "flavor" of Linux to install for a linux newbie? RedHat?
: Suse? Slackware? BSD? ???
BSD is not a flavor of linux. Slackware isn't a good choice unless
you know what your doing.
--
Dan Nguyen | There is only one happiness in
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | life, to love and be loved.
http://www.cse.msu.edu/~nguyend7 | -George Sand
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From: Dan Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Problem w/Linux recognizing > 64MB RAM
Date: 4 Jan 1999 00:10:16 GMT
Norvell Spearman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: I installed RedHat Linux 5.1 at work on a machine that has 128 MB RAM.
: The BIOS memory count showed the full 128 MB, but Linux is recognizing
: only 64 MB. I've been using Linux at home for about two years, but on a
: machine that's never had more than 64 MB so this is the first time I've
: ever seen anything like this. Thanks for any help with this.
There are several fixes. But I'd recommend compiling a newer kernel
(2.0.36) is the most recent stable version.
--
Dan Nguyen | There is only one happiness in
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | life, to love and be loved.
http://www.cse.msu.edu/~nguyend7 | -George Sand
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From: Sean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: IMAP Survey
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 15:01:53 -0800
Hi,
This thing has been bugging me for the past few months, and I just
can't make any sense of it. We have a few remote users who check their
mail via the POP3 server. About 4 months ago I installed the latest
IMAP server distribution by the UW. During the first week of operation,
I noticed that in my log files I was getting "Illegal break-in attempt"
warnings from my IMAPd server. So I placed a `safe_finger` command in
my tcp wrapper and limited IMAP use to only a few domains. On CERT I
read about a crack technique used by crackers to exploit old versions of
the IMAPd server. My guess is the potential crackers were attempting to
do this. So now, every week, I get around 5 people not from my selected
domains attempting to use the IMAP services on my system. They range
from Sweden to Japan. Really weird. Should I be worried? Anyone else
get this sort of thing?
Sean
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: Add Win95 Machine to Linux Network?
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 23:06:51 GMT
Bev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Is it possible to connect a dedicated win95/98 machine to a linux LAN to
>act as a server for win95/98 appliocations? The desired configuration
>would allow a linux machine running X to display the results of an
>application program running on the win95/98 machine.
>
>The whole point, of course, is to be able to run winshit stuff (like
>Turbo Tax or the cheap parallel scanner with no linux support) without
>having to reboot into windows.
>
>Any hope?
Do a search for 'vnc' on www.yahoo.com. It is a free program that can
run programs on Windows from X or Mac, Linux from Windows or Mac, or
it can use any Java web browser for a remote client via TCP/IP.
David Efflandt/Elgin, IL USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xnet.com/~efflandt/
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From: Derek Sherlock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: help me choose Linux ...
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 17:50:28 -0700
Hi,
Buy a sixpack from www.linuxmall.com, or a MondoPack or PowerPack from
www.cheapbytes.com, or some similar multi-distribution package.
With any of the above, you'll get a bunch of different distributions to try
out, all for only $10-$15 or so. Then you can try any and all of them for
youself. Once you decide which distribution you like, if you want to have
technical support you can cough up the cash and buy that distrbutor's
"official" version. But by then, you may decide you don't need technical
support.
As for which to try first when your sixpack arrives.... What follows is my
OPINION: (I use RedHat myself, but would switch to Debian if I ever went
into Linux consulting full time - and had to do a lot of highly customised
installs):
- If you just want to get a sensible default install over with quickly, and
then start to learn about Linux by experimenting: RedHat 5.2 or Caldera 1.3.
- If you know EXACTLY how you want your system configured, what packages you
want installed, go with Debian. It's probably best for an experienced user
who does many installs. It's a bit overwhelming if you are learning as you
go, because there are a lot of install-time questions to answer.
- If you are a purist who doesn't want to be pampered by your distribution,
get Slackware 3.6.
- I recommend against SuSE. SuSE still uses an older libc, and will be
switching over to glibc2 in the upcoming 6.0. Most (?or all?) other
distributions switched over some time back. The level of pain for users
during the switchover was pretty high. My advice, stick with distributions
that have already switched to glibc2, preferably at least two releases ago so
the transition pains are behind them.
There are also specialised distributions if you have certain special needs -
versions optimized for use as a network router, filewall, or cacheing proxy;
for embedding; distributions optimised for users who speak Spainish, German,
Croatian, Russian; for particular machine architectures; for minimal memory
or disk usage; for ISPs; for overlaying on top of a DOS filesystem, etc. If
you have any special such needs, look at
http://www.fokus.gmd.de/linux/linux-distrib.html. In fact look there anyway!
By the way, BSD isn't a Linux distribution. It's a whole nother operating
system.
Good Luck,
Derek.
mc wrote:
> What is the best "flavor" of Linux to install for a linux newbie? RedHat?
> Suse? Slackware? BSD? ???
>
> Matt
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: help me choose license
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 22:45:14 GMT
steve writes:
> My current thinking is that contributions would only be accepted if they
> can be included in code distributed under both the GPL and the commercial
> license, otherwise they would be blown off. This is kind of a harsh way
> to deal with it, but it puts the decision where it belongs, with the
> person who developed the fix or whatever.
Not harsh, just clear. Note that if someone should turn up who starts
making a lot of really useful cotributions and you want to compensate him
somehow so he can put more time into the project you are free to make a
private arrangement.
> If this is clearly stated nobody should have an excusee to bitch too
> loudly about it.
Oh, somebody will, and loudly. Ignore them.
> They can not contribute their changes if it bothers them. Or they can
> start a GPL-only fork of the library; they would not however be able to
> start a GPL-or-commercial fork of the library without a license from me
> to do so.
It won't get far unless you drop the ball. That is why I suggested that
you run a mailing list, web site, etc. You want to develop a community and
build some momentum.
--
John Hasler This posting is in the public domain.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Do with it what you will.
Dancing Horse Hill Make money from it if you can; I don't mind.
Elmwood, Wisconsin Do not send email advertisements to this address.
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From: Elmond Cheung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.databases.progress
Subject: Re: Progress v8 on Linux?
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 10:17:59 +1000
If you are fine with Progress V6.2 in Linux OS, better not upgrade to other
version of Progress. You might find it hard to implement some radical changes.
Regards,
RJ
Maribel Butler wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> I have had significant success running Progress 4GL/Database version
> 6.2 on Linux.
> I am considering upgrading to version 8 of the Progress 4GL/Database and
> was wondering if
> anyone has had success installing and/or running Progress version 8 on
> Linux.
> I realize that Linux is not a supported platform by Progress, but, as I
> said, I
> have had very good results.
>
> Thanks in Advance,
> G. Butler
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Postscript printing problem
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 00:46:13 GMT
Hi all,
I'm having a problem printing from my RH 5.1 machine to a TCP/IP print server
over Ethernet. The print server is running on an NT 4.0 machine running
TCP/IP printing services. If I set printtool up with no printer filter, ASCII
test pages from Red Hat printtool print fine, but postscript ends up printing
the postscript code rather than the images that the code represents. If I
set printtool up with the "PostScript printer" filter, it just prints pages
of postscript code no matter what type of test page I send to the printer.
My macintosh machines can print to it fine. The printer is an IBM 4029 with
Postscript option and 6MB of RAM. It works great except for this situation.
Anybody have any experience in this type of environment?
Please advise. Thanks!
adam
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From: Derek Sherlock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: TUCOLS? Anything like it?
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 17:55:58 -0700
Hi,
There's a thing called TUDOLS http://www.tudols.com , but I still think the best
resource is freshmeat http://www.freshmeat.net
Derek.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'd like to try a bunch of popular Linux email clients, but i can't seem to
> find any index of them anywhere. Yahoo tells me there used to be a site called
> The Ultimate Collection of Linux Software, and if it was anything like TUCOWS,
> it would be exactly what i need. But according to Dejanews, TUCOLS has been
> gone since at least last June.
>
> Is there any other repository of Linux software neatly categorized?
>
> (especially with linuxnow.com down. But i tried them when they were up, and
> their file directory wasn't much help. Maybe the next version of it will be
> better)
>
> --
> Please ignore the following lines:
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marc Greene)
Subject: Re: TUCOLS? Anything like it?
Date: 4 Jan 1999 00:46:28 GMT
http://www.xnet.com/~blatura/linapps.shtml
http://freshmeat.net/
http://www.linuxapps.com
These are my favorites.
--
Marc Greene
On Sun, 03 Jan 1999 23:45:21 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'd like to try a bunch of popular Linux email clients, but i can't seem to
>find any index of them anywhere. Yahoo tells me there used to be a site called
>The Ultimate Collection of Linux Software, and if it was anything like TUCOWS,
>it would be exactly what i need. But according to Dejanews, TUCOLS has been
>gone since at least last June.
>
>Is there any other repository of Linux software neatly categorized?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Kernel fails to decompress
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 00:59:22 GMT
I could really use some help. I've checked deja-news and found some
other people with the same problem going back to June on earlier RedHat
kernels but no solutions, yet.
I'm using RedHat 5.2 at work -- kernel 2.0.36. AMD K-6 350.
I'm compiling a new kernel with a DigiBoard driver installed in the kernel
source tree. I getting the following error when booting the new compiled
kernel.
Decompressing Image...
ran out of input data
-- System halted
Other errors are something like
Decompressing Image...
(something, something) invalid tree
-- System halted
Checking the source tree, I find that the error is occuring during the
decompression phase of the boot process -- that is, after the image is
loaded into memory but before the kernel has started the system boot
proper. (in compress.c to be exact).
Other people have had this problem without the DigiBoard driver.
I can reconfigure the kernel to turn off the new DigiBoard driver
support -- the only change is removing the line CONFIG_DIGIEPCA=Y --
re-compile and the kernel will decompress and load properly. zImage is
< 400K either way. Larger kernels will load just fine.
I been going through all the steps:
make dep
make clean
make boot
make modules
make modules_install
cp ./arch/i386/boot/zImage /boot/vmlinuz
/sbin/lilo
I've tried make zImage and make bzImage. I copied the bzImage instead of
zImage. bzImage will just crash after "Decompressing Image..." with no error
message.
I've removed and re-installed all kernel source and re-installed the Digiboard
driver source code. No change.
I've talked to DigiBoard and they suggest moving back to kernel 2.0.34 or
2.0.35. I'm not sure if this will work in a RedHat 5.2 environment (how
would I find that out?) and anyway I'm suspecting the egc compiler as the
Digiboard code never gets a chance to run and others have had the same
problem without the DigiBoard drivers. RedHat 5.2 setup seems to link gcc to
egc somehow. My first plan tomorrow is to try to force use of gcc instead of
egc.
Any ideas?
Thanks
Ed Centanni
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: TUCOLS? Anything like it?
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 23:45:21 GMT
I'd like to try a bunch of popular Linux email clients, but i can't seem to
find any index of them anywhere. Yahoo tells me there used to be a site called
The Ultimate Collection of Linux Software, and if it was anything like TUCOWS,
it would be exactly what i need. But according to Dejanews, TUCOLS has been
gone since at least last June.
Is there any other repository of Linux software neatly categorized?
(especially with linuxnow.com down. But i tried them when they were up, and
their file directory wasn't much help. Maybe the next version of it will be
better)
--
Please ignore the following lines:
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: GTK-CONFIG
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 01:08:44 GMT
Ever sense I upgraded my GTK version I have been having problems compiling gtk
programs. Whenever I attempt to run configure it I get:
checking for gtk-config... no
checking for GTK - version >= 1.0.0... no
*** The gtk-config script installed by GTK could not be found
*** If GTK was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in
*** your path, or set the GTK_CONFIG environment variable to the
*** full path to gtk-config.
configure: error: Cannot find GTK: Is gtk-config in path?
I have searched everywhere for gtk-config and it simply doesn't exist I have
upgraded and downgraded gtk+ but to no avail, does anyone have any help??
John
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian Lavender)
Subject: Re: Any comments about these books?
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 01:24:14 GMT
In this case I believe PhD follows its true meaning "Pile it Higher
and Deeper"
Slackware Unleashed is about the worst investment I have made towards
learning Linux. It's thick, so at least it makes a good doorstop.
brian
On Sun, 03 Jan 1999 14:36:42 +0100, "Andrei A. Dergatchev"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Slackware Linux Unleashed, Third Edition; By Timothy Parker, Ph.D., et al.; ISBN:
>0-672-31012-0
========
Brian E. Lavender
http://www.brie.com/brian/
"For every complex problem, there is
a solution that is simple, neat, and
wrong." -- H. L. Mencken
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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 02:24:34 +0100
From: Nestor BELICARD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RH 5.1: Colours, Shutdown
Helge Lenuweit wrote:
> I've installed RedHat 5.1, KDE 1.0 and Staroffice 5 on my HP Omnibook
> 800CT laptop and it works just fine. However, there are two things that
> bother me:
>
> I had SUSE Linux before, and there, the console is "coloured", meaning
> that a ls would give you all different file types in colours - that's
> useful esp. for dirs. I did find a file called DIR_COLORS in the /etc
> folder that looks fine, but still... What do I have to do to get those
> colours?
>
> My other problem is the shutdown process. If I close Win95, it would
> actually power down the machine, but Linux doesn't. All I can do after
> the shutdown is push the On/Off button and send it to standby. If I turn
> it on the next time, I see the Linux shutdown messages. Any way to power
> down the machine by Linux or any other suggestions?
>
Concerning your 'power-off on shutdown' problem, check if you have the APM
package compiled into your kernel. I use Red Hat 5.2 (Kernel 2.0.36) on a
Toshiba notebook, and it works fine (even better than Win95 (because it the
'shutdown' never fails) :=)
>
> Thanks for your help. Other than that, RH 5.1 seems to work fine on that
> machine. I remember a posting of somebody asking about this
> installation. If there are any problems, contact me.
> Helge
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian Lavender)
Subject: Re: Upgrading Kernel from 2.0.29 to 2.0.36
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 01:32:12 GMT
Get a whole new kernel source. Upgrading means applying all the in
between patches.
ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/kernel/v2.0
brian
On Sun, 3 Jan 1999 17:33:24 +0000, Roger Millington
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I am trying to upgrade the kernel from Caldera Lite 2.0.29 to 2.0.36 so
>as to be able to run Sybase.
========
Brian E. Lavender
http://www.brie.com/brian/
"For every complex problem, there is
a solution that is simple, neat, and
wrong." -- H. L. Mencken
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From: Lev Babiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: UNIX98 PTYs
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 02:00:31 +0000
Hello all,
I finally gave in and upgraded to glibc-2.0.108-981228. So in theoy I
should
be using UNIX98 PTYs now, since I have the options enabled in my kernel.
But
I fail to see any files in my /dev/pts. From reading DejaNews it seem
that if
that directory is empty - UNIX98 PTY's aren't actually used.
I have done the following on my system.
1. Configured my kernel with UNIX98 pty support:
CONFIG_UNIX98_PTYS=y
CONFIG_UNIX98_PTY_COUNT=256
2. Created /dev/ptmx
crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 5, 2 Aug 13 03:30 /dev/ptmx
3. Created /dev/pts
4. Upgraded to glibc-2.0.108-981228
5. I did create /dev/pty devices to old ptys to operate
There is no errors or any kind of problems, there just doesn't seem to
be
any signs indicating that UNIX98 PTYs are being used.
- Lev
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From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NOSPAM in addresses..
Date: 03 Jan 1999 19:40:09 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Fleming) writes:
-> On 01 Jan 1999 15:50:51 -0500, David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
-> >
-> > My feeling is that when a question is asked in a news group, it should
-> > be answered in a news qroup. With DejaNews being available, it should
-> > not be an excuse, "I don't get to read this group often." Or
-> > whatever.
->
-> Fair call, IMO, but those who insist on using the X-No-Archive header
-> (which is pretty useless as an "anti-spam" measure) make this a little
-> more difficult.
I wasn't thinking about that x-no-archive thing. I'm not sure why
people do that.
I have no problem with someone CCing a post by e-mail. I think of
that as a curtousy to the person asking the question. It seems
slightly rude to expect it. The newsgroups are a volunteer support
mechanism after all. Answering a question takes some time and
effort. It is most economical if that time and effort benifits
everyone following the news group rather than just one individual.
There is a problem with noise on the groups. I don't think there are
any solutions to that. As people gain experience, they will generate
more signal than noise. But there are a lot of new poeple coming on
line every day. I look at the heavy volume of posts as increased
interest in Linux (or other free OS platforms) as a good thing.
My method for dealing with spam just makes it easier for me to sort
out. It does not cause bounces. I used to use a truly fake address,
but that caused problems. That is why I use a legal address now.
Meanwhile, my spam file is still growing, damn it!
--
David Steuber
http://www.david-steuber.com
s/trashcan/david/ to reply by mail
"Hackers penetrate and ravage delicate, private, and publicly owned
computer systems, infecting them with viruses and stealing materials
for their own ends. These people, they're, they're terrorists."
-- Secret Service Agent Richard Gill
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Floyd Davidson)
Subject: Re: Netscape eats up *all* the swap
Date: 3 Jan 1999 21:34:25 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ed Finch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> I know it's a cliche, but -- does Netscape 4.08 have some kind of
>> huge memory leak? As I use it, my swap space gradually fills in a
>> monotonic fashion. If I let it go long enough, the system will
>> die a thrashing death.
>>
>> No matter how long I wait with no netscape activity, the memory is
>> never released, but when I exit netscape it is all released at once.
>
>A common stumbling box about X is that, if an X application allocates
>memory, that might require memory from the OS if X doesn't already
>have enough. If that memory is subsequently freed, X won't give the
>memory back until the application terminates.
It is a fact about applications written in the C programming
language. It has nothing specific to do with X.
>> I have 16 megs of real RAM and about 30 megs on my swap partition.
>> I have netscape's memory cache set to 0 and the memory cache set to
>> 3 megs.
>>
>> Is anybody else having this problem?
>
>I've found all versions of Netscape to be pigs. :(
A total of 46Mb of virtual memory is far too little. Doubling
both the RAM an the swap would be a good idea. If nothing else,
at least up the swap to provide something more than 70-80Mb of
virtual memory.
Floyd
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Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pictures of the North Slope at <http://www.ptialaska.net/~floyd>
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