Linux-Misc Digest #484, Volume #18 Tue, 5 Jan 99 23:13:12 EST
Contents:
Re: How do i configure named properly? (Roger)
Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march? (aldev)
Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Tim Smith)
Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march? (Chris Lee)
Re: Best Free Unix? (Matt Dillon)
Modem troubles...help please? (rosie)
Re: Newbie asks: why Linux? (jedi)
Re: Questions regarding plotting packages (Gary Momarison)
Wharf (Stefan Berg)
Re: 2038 and Linux (John)
Re: New Hard Drive (Johan Kullstam)
Re: help me choose license (Marco Anglesio)
Re: Linux Scalabiliy (Johan Kullstam)
Re: x2vnc (Bob Tennent)
Re: Can't use SUSE Help System (Codifex Maximus)
Kernel 2.0.35 and 2.2.0Pre4 with modules on same machine ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Some X Windows apps not running (Victor Danilchenko)
Re: Modem vs. Sound card (RH5.2) (Codifex Maximus)
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From: Roger@localhost (Roger)
Subject: Re: How do i configure named properly?
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 18:15:12 GMT
On Sun, 3 Jan 1999 21:11:51 +0000, mist
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Roger@localhost.? scribed to us that -
>>On Sat, 02 Jan 1999 23:13:27 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>(Juergen Heinzl) wrote:
>>
>>> I shall send you a configuration for that kind of server per Email.
>>
>>That deprives lurkers like me from benefitting.
>
>I was going to send a copy to you, but your antispam measures prevent
>it. ITT Juergen was quite right to mail the files rather than post them
>to the group, the contents being of reasonable length when unzipped, and
>the gzipped file being, technically, a binary. 8-)
Doesn't that depend on their size? We are, I think, speaking of
text files. I have seen long postings of log files, for example,
which haven't elicited any complaint.
Alternatively, couldn't the files be put on a web site and a URL
provided?
One of the problems with email is that the contents are not
subject to peer review and possible simplification and/or
correction.
--
Roger
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From: aldev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march?
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 18:59:39 +0000
Linux Marketing?? Ofcourse here is the web page for it.
Main site is at -
http://members.spree.com/technology/aldev/
Mirror sites are at -
http://aldev.webjump.com
http://homepages.infoseek.com/~aldev1/index.html
http://aldev. 8m. com (remove spaces in-between)
Corporations need to read the 'Salient Features of Linux' which tells why
Linux is better than Windows and other operating systems.
Please visit, bookmark & suggest this site to one and ALL
Also please webhost it on your intranet, internet and promote/propagate
everywhere!
al dev
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I wonder if there is scope for, say, students studying marketing to do with
> marketing Linux what the Linux community has done with developing Linux. I
> have in mind a project on the WEB that would help develop the sort of
> marketing material and expertise needed by companies to sell the system into
> corporates. A rather vague notion, but I think that the OSS model can
> actually extend a lot furhter than OSS itself: Collaboration is a very useful
> learning and development tool. There are many disciplines covering everything
> from advertising to project management that could perhaps benefit from an
> online collaboration and it seems to me that Linux is the perfect product to
> collaborate around.
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Brad
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Smith)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: 5 Jan 1999 18:38:43 -0800
Thad Floryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>| Instead of wiping the current URL, just paste the new URL into the
>| main part of the Netscape display, rather than the URL entry area.
>| Netscape accepts that as a command to go to the new location.
...
>That's a good idea; where did you see that documented? I thought I read
>everything, but maybe I'm going blind. :-)
I didn't see it documented...I simply missed massively once when pasting
in a URL and noted the effect. :-)
--Tim Smith
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Lee)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march?
Date: 6 Jan 1999 03:16:34 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>For those of you who need a finally
>tuned machine, of course, Linux is the move, but if you want to Play
>Games and AOL is your bag, I'd pick Win98 hands down! All, and all, I
I could care less about AOL,and haven't bought a single game for my PC since
I got my Sony PlayStation a couple of years ago......
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matt Dillon)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix?
Date: 5 Jan 1999 17:36:44 -0800
:In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
:Stephen E. Halpin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>On 03 Jan 1999 22:42:03 -0500, in comp.os.linux.misc you wrote:
:>
:>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matt Dillon) writes:
:..
:>offsets< is likely to be an extremely small percentage of those million
:>instructions. Worrying 64-bit >file offsets< at the CPU register
:>level is a non-issue. The bigger concern is at the file structure
:>level, providing indexing which is efficient for random accesses both
:>below and above a 2GB file size, but there are a number of options here.
... is a non issue also, because at that point the filesystem is dealing
with file block numbers, not file offsets. Block numbers fit in 32 bits
just fine (at least up to 2^31 x 4K = 8 terrabytes).
Same with the VM system - the VM system converts everything to block
numbers. Until people start demanding that files larger then 8TB be
supported, block numbers will fit in 32 bits on machines with 4K hardware
pages just fine.
-Matt
--
Matthew Dillon Engineering, HiWay Technologies, Inc. & BEST Internet
Communications
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (rosie)
Subject: Modem troubles...help please?
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 06:26:46 GMT
I'm having trouble initializing my modem after running 'sndconfig'.
Is there any way to check my modem configuration settings? Has anyone
else had this problem?
thanks,
rosie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jedi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Newbie asks: why Linux?
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:01:33 -0800
On Tue, 05 Jan 1999 16:42:36 -0600, dave dufeau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I am a Linux neophyte who is questioning whether this is the OS for
>me. Perhaps some of you could put my mind at ease as to whether or not
>Linux is an OS for programmers only.
>
> I do a good deal of image processing for my thesis work (see URL
>below), but virtually no programming. I have to admit that the intial
>appeal for me was ideals held forth by the OpenSource movement (the hope
>that this attitude would foster greater software development innovation
>than the commercial market could) and the legendary stability of the
>Linux OS... Oh, and also the prospect of being able to laugh in the face
>of the Microslop corporate monster.
>
> I even went as far as to purchase the Redhat 5.2 distribution on
>Linux. The X-windows environment seemed appealing enough to one willing
>to learn only the least neccessary of the Unix commands. My question
>is, should an end user such as myself, more in tune to image processing
>than to programming even bother with Linux. Quite frankly, everything I
>have read regarding installation, configuration, and (shudder)
>compiliation leaves me a bit apprehensive. I want a stable working
>environment, with portability and network accessability, but I don't
>want to become a programmer to achieve this. Please help me before I do
>something foolish and install an OS I don't understand... and please
>keep the FUD to a minimum, after all, I am a newbie!
Try installing Redhat first. Worst case, you're hardware
will just not be supported. Best case, everything will be
supported and auto-detected. Mebbe you'll have to futz with
one or two devices.
IOW it's no worse than what WinXX can throw at you.
PPP may be a little rough though. That depends on your ISP.
--
Herding Humans ~ Herding Cats
Neither will do a thing unless they really want to, or |||
is coerced to the point where it will scratch your eyes out / | \
as soon as your grip slips.
In search of sane PPP docs? Try http://penguin.lvcm.com
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From: Gary Momarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Questions regarding plotting packages
Date: 05 Jan 1999 11:32:48 -0800
Looks like you could something via the plotting section of
Gary's Encyclopedia at
http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/science-and-math.html
And check the "Other lists" at the top of the page;
esp. the first two.
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From: Stefan Berg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Wharf
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:00:50 +0100
Hi
How do i configure Wharf? I run afterstep on a RH 5.1 machine. My primary
interest is to change it's geometry (smaller), I have looked for config
files. The only one I find which seems appropriate is
/usr/share/afterstep/wharf
but I don't succeed in changing Wharf's geometry...
Regards Stefan
{
Stefan Berg
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://berg.pp.se
}
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From: John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 2038 and Linux
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 22:31:56 -0500
"Timothy J. Lee" wrote:
> John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> |Yes, Linux does have that bug, the only Unix machine that doesn't is Sun
> |Solaris version 6, because they have upgraded to a 64 bit kernel
>
> Sun hasn't released any Solaris version between 2.6 and 7, and the
> SunOS version number is only at 5.7. So where did "Solaris version 6"
> come from?
>
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Timothy J. Lee timlee@
> Unsolicited bulk or commercial email is not welcome. netcom.com
> No warranty of any kind is provided with this message.
Sorry, I was pulling the number from memory of a conversation, guess it was
the wrong number.
John
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From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: New Hard Drive
Date: 05 Jan 1999 13:59:54 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeff Grossman) writes:
> Hello,
>
> I just purchased Red Hat Linux 5.2 and wanted to install it on a
> computer that has a new hard drive. There was an existing 1.2 Gig
> drive and I just purchased a new 10.0 Gig drive. I am running this on
> an older Pentium 133 and it does not fully recognize the 10 Gig
> without software. When I went to install Linux, it only recognized 2
> Gigs of the 10 Gig drive. How can I resolve this? Should I return
> the drive and purchase one that is smaller than 8.4 Gigs? Isn't that
> the limitation?
what was not recognizing the 10G harddrive? linux fdisk?
if fdisk can recognize it and set it up, make several partitions. put
down a small /boot of 10-50M. then set a swap partition (i'd use the
full 128M since you've obviously got enough disk space not to care
about a few megs). then i'd have / take up 2G and put the rest on
/home.
you may want to subdivide / by breaking off /usr, /var and possibly
/tmp.
i'd also run lean on inodes. average size per file seems to indicate
(at least for me) that you're not likely to run out on a big
partition.
hope this helps.
--
johan kullstam
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From: Marco Anglesio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: help me choose license
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 16:30:16 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Marco Anglesio writes:
>> What about a hard drive? If I sell you a computer with Linux pre-loaded
>> and it has product X on it, according to your definition I would be
>> violating the license.
> Sell some computers with Windows pre-loaded and then try to tell Microsoft
> that you were not selling copies of Windows.
Selling them or giving them away? In either case, Microsoft would go after
you because their software is not free - you are not allowed to copy
Windows under MS's shrink-wrap license (the validity of which has been
challenged in another thread, but I won't touch it here). Steve should
probably explicitly allow "mere aggregation", as the GPL does, although I,
not being a lawyer, don't know whether it would be seen as implicitly
allowed. Perhaps, perhaps not.
Chris Browne's point about selling copies of Kermit without Columbia
University's documentation is well taken.
marco
--
Marco Anglesio Like Captain Idiot
mpa at the-wire dot com in Astounding Science comics
http://www.the-wire.com/~mpa (The Manchurian Candidate)
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From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Scalabiliy
Date: 05 Jan 1999 13:53:06 -0500
"Paul Davies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Does anyone know how well Linux scales as you increase CPUs? Is it scalable
> with SMP hardware?
this depends on what you are trying to do.
i have a quad ppro on which i run 4 seperate simulations. each seems
to run at full speed giving me perfect scaling. however, they do very
little disk I/O doing mostly number crunching. they are also smallish
and so the loops may fit within the 512K cache.
the kernel is now multi-threaded since 2.1.x and 2.2.x. this may help
with some I/O bound or otherwise kernel limited processes.
from the kernel and SMP mailing lists, i get the idea that going up to
big SMP systems of 16 or more CPUs may want a finer grained locking in
the kernel. again, this depends on what you are doing.
it may be possible to do a lot of the scaling in user space depending
on your application.
--
johan kullstam
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From: r d t@q u c i s.q u e e n s u.c a (Bob Tennent)
Subject: Re: x2vnc
Date: 5 Jan 1999 19:27:01 GMT
On Tue, 05 Jan 1999 13:39:34 -0500, Ed Gatzke wrote:
>I have had trouble compiling x2vnc on RedHat 5.0 and Solaris. 2.6,2.7
>(I intend to upgrade to 5.2 this weekend and try again).
>
>Where can I get an x2vnc rpm? Does anyone have it running on Solaris? A
>binary of either would be great as I often have compile problems.
>
I use vnc, installed from an rpm. But what is x2vnc? I can't
find anything of that name. Did you mean Xvnc, one of the
programs of the vnc package?
Bob T.
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From: Codifex Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can't use SUSE Help System
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 13:35:30 -0600
Klaus Staerk wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm working with SUSE Linux 5.4 and want to use the SUSE online HELP
> System from X Windows. When started from X the netscape browser opens
> showing a index of the SUSE help. So far everything seem to be ok.
> When I try to follow a hypertext link to any help item I get the
> error message: "Netscape's network connection was refused by the server
> localhost6711 ...".
> What is the problem. What do I need to do to get the HELP system
> working.
> Thanks from Stuttgart, BaW�
I'm not going to say I have the answer to your question but I may have a
couple of ideas that may help. :|
Type: ifconfig
Make sure you have a "lo" output section with the IP address of 127.0.0.1.
If you have PPP going, connect to the internet and make sure you have a
"ppp0" output section also - IP will probably be dynamically allocated by
ISP.
Make sure that you have your web server installed and configured - apache?
You can navigate directly to a file in Netscape OR you can connect to your
"lo"cal loopback IP address of 127.0.0.1 in this manner: http://127.0.0.1
or ftp://127.0.0.1 or telnet 127.0.0.1 etc... etc... etc..
Make sure that the help html files are installed - you can navigate to
/usr/doc where they probably are located. (I have RedHat so it is a little
different.)
Use linuxconf to help configure your system.
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Kernel 2.0.35 and 2.2.0Pre4 with modules on same machine
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 19:39:23 GMT
I've downloaded and built kernel 2.0.2Pre4 on a SuSE 5.3 machine that runs
kernel 2.0.35. I used module support and built some modules as well. Now I
know how to copy the kernel image to root and set up lilo.conf for it. What
confuses me is what do I do with the modules? I don't want to overwrite the
2.0.35 modules, do I?
I am doing this to develop some code that requires the video for linux and
some other 2.2 kernel features. But I do want to keep my stable kernel as my
primary boot configuration. I don't want to sabotage it by trashing some of
the modules used by the 2.0.35 kernel.
What do I do? (besides rtfm which I am also looking at)
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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 10:27:37 -0500
From: Victor Danilchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Some X Windows apps not running
Jerry Lynn Kreps wrote:
>
> > Donald Hurst wrote:
> >
> > Some of the apps in X Windows won't run. For example: Midnight
> > Commander. When I select the menu option, I get the zzZZZ for a few
> > seconds then back to the arrow. It never comes up. This happens with
> > other apps too (WordPerfect for example).
> >
> > I have 64 Meg of RAM with a 125 Meg Swap Partition. My video card is a
> > S3 Virge with 4 Meg. CPU is a Pentium 233MMX. 4.2 Gig Hard Drive.
> > Yes, I am new to Linux. I'm running Redhat Linux 5.2.
>
> I've run 5.2 and Midnight Commander (mc) comes up ok. It appears that
> those apps are not in your path statement. use "echo $PATH" and see
> what dirs are in your path. If need be, edit .profile and add the
> appropriate dirs to your path and then "source .profile"
MC works OK -- but it is a console app. Tkmc is supposed to be a TK
wrapper for Midnight Commander, and it is failing on my (and apparently
others') RedHat 5.2.
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| Victor A. Danilchenko CSCF support |
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] A313, 5-4231 |
+--------------------------------------------+
| Quando omni flunkus, moritati. |
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From: Codifex Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Modem vs. Sound card (RH5.2)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 13:56:21 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> [sorry for the crosspost, but the col* FAQ didn't make it clear
> exactly where I should post this. Follow-ups set to col.misc]
>
> I've been having problems getting my modem to work....
>
> When I first installed RH5.2, I finally got my modem working by running
> setserial to set the IRQ and making sure that the serial port speed in
> minicom matched the speed reported by setserial.
>
> Then my modem suddenly stopped working and continued to be dead after
> repeated re-installs.
>
> I think I know what my problem is, even if I'm not quite sure how to fix
> it.
>
> My modem (USR Sportster V.90 Data/Fax internal) is jumpered to COM3, IRQ5.
>
> I finally thought to look in /proc/interrupts and found that my sound card
> (SoundBlaster 16 PnP) had grabbed IRQ5! I'm pretty sure my modem stopped
> working *after* I ran sndconfig.
>
> So when I ran setserial to assign IRQ5 to /dev/cua2, minicom was sending
> the AT commands to the sound card...
>
> In my subsequent installation attempts, I ran sndconfig right away. In
> my first attempt, I didn't do it for a couple of days.
>
> So now... A couple of questions..
>
> 1) Where can I look to see *exactly* which resources (IRQs, IO ports and
> DMA channels) linux has currently assigned to my sound card? Will
> the pnpdump program do it?
>
> I also see a strange message during boot up about a 'missing' DMA
> channel for the sound card.
>
dmesg | less - is a good place to look.
>
> 2) Is it possible to *UN*configure a sound card (w/o installing yet again)
> to test my theory? All I really need to do is get IRQ5 back.
>
>
Yanking the sound card may help. You may even try setting the modem to
standard com1 (dev/cua0) or com2 (/dev/cua1).
> 3) Can I use the PnP tools under linux to coerce the various resource
> settings? Under WinBlows, my sound card sits on IRQ10.
>
>
pnpdump > pnpdump.out
pico pnpdump.out
# edit to your liking and save.
cp /etc/isapnp.conf /etc/isapnp.conf.old
cp pnpdump.out /etc/isapnp.conf
# that maaay do it.
> 4) Just curious... Does it matter which of the alternate designations
> (/dev/(modem|ttyS2|cua2) I use to access the modem with setserial
> and/or minicom serial port setup? Several HOW-TOs seem to deprecate
> the use of /dev/cuax and /dev/modem for reasons I don't fully
> understand. After running setserial against *any* of the alternatives,
> *all* of the alternatives report the IRQ I set.
>
>
# I use linuxconf even though I can configure on the command line. /dev/modem
is a link to your currently in use modem
ls -l /dev/modem
/dev/modem -> /dev/cua2
# You can change the link yourself by typing.
rm -f /dev/modem
ln -s /dev/cua2 /dev/modem
> I'm in the midst of reading the Sound and PnP HOW-TOs and will get to the
> various PnP man pages next, but a clue (or a least a hint that I can do
> what I want to do in question 3) would be appreciated.
>
> adTHANKSvance!
>
> Simeon
>
> P.S. Contrary to what you might think, my address
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> is actually replyable. I use it and
> procmail to trap some of the inevitable spam I get when I post
> to usenet. I am perfectly content to get answers on the newsgroup
> or by e-mail, but please don't do both.
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