Linux-Misc Digest #506, Volume #18 Thu, 7 Jan 99 20:13:09 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march? (Jerry Lynn Kreps)
Re: AOL as ISP? ("JD")
PostgreSQL & VB5 ("David -Beerkeg-")
Getting LI when booting to Linux ("Tim Teller")
Re: Whats the best *offline* usenet reader for Linux? (David Gerard)
Re: Printcap settings? (jedi)
Re: need better info on settting up SAMBA (Jeffrey Greer)
Can't find modem (Donald Hurst)
Re: Change Red Hat 5.x server name (Gene Wilburn)
Copying linux system.... (James)
Help : red hat root password ("Billy Bob")
Re: Copying linux system.... (xcitor)
Re: Is Microsoft a nasty company ? I'm asking you this question. (David Kastrup)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (David Kastrup)
Lynx won't connect remote files... (Sam Vere)
Re: Floppy Disk Drive (Jerry Lynn Kreps)
Re: restarting apps without rebooting (xcitor)
Re: need redhat5.2 (xcitor)
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From: Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march?
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 18:06:11 -0600
mlw wrote:
>
> Phil Lewis wrote:
> > Are you seriously implyinmg that this class of user would not need
> > support if given Linux?
> >
> > Get real.
>
<snip>
>
> I can't tell you how often she calls me becuase she "broke it."
>
Ditto's for my sister in FL. :-)
About Linux making serious inroads to M$s workstation market:
Where I work we have a couple of dozen servers and 300+ workstations.
With the exception of a couple of NT servers the rest are Novell. The
development software is FoxPro.
M$ has regularly come out with "upgrades" to the OS and the dev tools.
Moving from Win95 to Win98 is not an "upgrade" but moving to NT is.
Moving from FoxPro 2.6 to VFP 5.0 is a true upgrade. Moving from VFP 5
to VFP 6 is not. HOWEVER, in each case, regardless of the validity of
the "upgrade", the ability to downgrade is cut off by the increasing
difficulty in securing older versions at retail, and in getting support
for software bug workarounds. It soon becomes obvious that one must
either freezes themselves at a version level, upgrade, or change
products.
Here are the problems:
Freezing eliminates access to new controls which are released for the
latest version and are not backward compatable. If the current version
of the tools does what one needs then there is not a problem. But, as
in the case of VFP5, where the Debugger is very difficult to use, access
to the debugger "patches" is possible only via an "Upgrade" $$$ ...
Upgrading brings backward incompatibility with existing apps ($$$
recoding) and worse, it can break Third party apps, requiring the Third
party to release a fix. (VFP6 R1 broke Street Atlas, for example, and
SA is not even a dev tool!). Running VFP6 exe's requires installing
DCOM95 on all the workstations, causing conflicts with other software.
Upgrading also forces workstation upgrading to allow running the new,
feature laden software. 128MB RAM with 5-10GB of HD on a 350MHz box is
becoming the commodity machine of you want to run significant (couple
dozen tables, 30-40 screens, etc...) VFP6 apps.
Changing products involves tool and training costs ($$$$$) and recoding
and deployment of existing apps. This can be very difficult if the new
tools are expensive and have steep learning curves.
How does Linux fit in?
First, Linux is both the server and workstation OS. It is essentially
free. One CD can be used to install any number of workstations and
servers you have. Even if you paid $50 per copy to give each
workstation it's own copy and manual of SuSE or RH that cost is still a
bargin, compared with the nearly 10 times that to upgrade using M$.
Secondly, source is available to modify or patch any source code.
Third, development tools are very powerful and economical, if not free.
Even when the shared library standards switched from cLib5 to cLib 6 no
one was left behind, and the cost of the switch was nill.
It a phrase the suits can understand: Linux will cut your software and
development costs to the bone, in the long haul, if not sooner. New
projects can be started using Emacs, CVS, Python, GTK, Xterminal,
XForms, PostgreSQL, etc., immediately. The tools are here. The office
apps are here. The industrial grade backends are here. Save money, save
taxes, increase your own profits by not helping Gates to become the
first Trillionaire.
Jerry
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From: "JD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: AOL as ISP?
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 13:49:50 -0500
What did you expect? .. AOL is for kids.. or people that are new to
computers.. or don't care to learn an insane a lot about them... for anyone
even remotely serious about computers it's a joke...
Jd
Bob Crandell wrote in message <01be345e$f6b6d520$0c00005a@BobC>...
>I called them to see if I could setup a little office using them as an ISP
>and using WinProxy as the dialer. They said NO. No way. Not possible.
>Forget it. Ain't gonna happen. I changed the office to CompuServe.
>
>zentara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in article
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:43:40 -0500, Troutman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>> >In the past, using AOL 3, I have connected to AOL then minimized and run
>> >Eudora and Netscape to surf the net. That would tell me that they are
>> >using tcp/ip and it may be possible to run Linux on a home lan behind a
>> >proxy on the PC running AOL.
>> >
>> >Why on earth you would _want_ to do that is beyond me.
>>
>> Maybe to use those 100 free hours they hand out. :-)
>>
>>
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From: "David -Beerkeg-" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: PostgreSQL & VB5
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 16:41:18 -0800
I was wondering if anyone has been able to retrieve records from a
PostgreSQL database using ODBC and VB5? I can do it if I use Access as a
middleman, but if I try the openrecordset function to a direct PostgreSQL
ODBC call, I get a "Function not supported" error..
Thanks ahead of time,
David Weiss
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From: "Tim Teller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Getting LI when booting to Linux
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:23:10 -0700
I am using System Commander 4.0 Deluxe to switch between operating systems.
When I was installing SuSE 5.3, I bypassed the LILO setup and went on my
marry way. System Commander recognized that I have Linux on my second
harddrive. Cool. So I select the operating system and it locks up with
just "LI".
I can boot with the bootable floppy, but, I wish I could fix this problem.
Any one who what causes this.
Tim Teller
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Gerard)
Crossposted-To: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: Whats the best *offline* usenet reader for Linux?
Date: 8 Jan 1999 00:32:06 GMT
On 6 Jan 1999 15:12:04 GMT, Frank Slootweg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Is slrnpull also available for MS-Windows? I know that slrn itself is
:available for Win32, i.e. 95/98/NT, but what about slrnpull?
Yep. I have a page on setting it up:
http://thingy.apana.org.au/~fun/slrn/
--
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CD burners and MP3s: the utter annihilation of the music industry by the
computer industry continues apace. Hip! Hip! Hooray! Hip! Hip! Hooray!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jedi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Printcap settings?
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 16:07:41 -0800
On Thu, 7 Jan 1999 18:27:17 -0500, GC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>How do I set up a Canon BJC-210 printer under Linux. I've read that you have
>to configure the /etc/printcap file, but I don't know how. What driver do I
Use the control-panel in your distribution or get the
apsfilter package and install it.
>need? How can I print from WordPerfect 8 for Linux? Do I just select the lp
>device? Right now when I select the lp device under WP8, all that the
>printer prints is a few lines of garbled text. I have to turn off the
>printer to stop the printing. But as soon as I turn it back on, it just
>continues printing garbled text non-stop.
>
>Any help is appreciated
>
>--
>Please post, no e-mail.
>
>
>
>
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as soon as your grip slips.
In search of sane PPP docs? Try http://penguin.lvcm.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeffrey Greer)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: need better info on settting up SAMBA
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 07:06:01 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Rockin!
I figured it out. I need to stop using experimental kernels. All I did was go
back to kernel 2.0.36 and now everything thing works perfectly.
--
Jeff Greer, graduating senior, computer science
www.umr.edu/~jgreer
University of MO - Rolla
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From: Donald Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Can't find modem
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 17:14:06 -0700
I have a NewCom 56K Plug 'n Play modem which works just fine under
Windows 95 on Comm 4. Under RedHat Linux 5.2 I can't seem to get a
dialtone. I have tried Comm 1 thru Comm 4 using minicom and can't get a
sound.
The box says for Windows 95 or higher. Is that my problem???
Don
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From: Gene Wilburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Change Red Hat 5.x server name
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 00:24:05 GMT
If you want to do this manually, edit the file /etc/sysconfig/network
(even if you don't have a network card).
Change the line that says HOSTNAME=xxx to HOSTNAME=yyy
Next time you reboot, your host will be renamed. If I recall correctly,
the file /etc/HOSTNAME is set dynamically. Editing that file will not
permanently change the name.
Gene
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> When I boot Red Hat Linux 5.2, it starts up with:
>
> UNKNOWN_52 login:
>
> When I login as "root", my initial prompt reads:
>
> [root@UNKNOWN_52 /root]#
>
> Can someone tell me how to change the name of the server so it comes up:
>
> newname login:
>
> and following login as root, it reads:
>
> [root@newname /root]#
>
> Does the same thing work for 5.1? Thank You.
>
> Jeff Weiner
>
> -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
> http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
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From: James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Copying linux system....
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 15:36:45 +1000
Can anyone tell me if it's possible to copy a whole linux partition with
a recursive cp?
I have run out of disk space on my linux partition and want to move it
to a larger empty partition.
Is there a good way of doing this? Or are there programs which can
resize a extfs partition?
Thanks for any help,
James.
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From: "Billy Bob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Help : red hat root password
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 02:29:01 -0500
Hi,
I changed the root password for the red hat 5.2 and now I can't get into
root. I am able to edit /etc/password and remove the password string
but when I boot the system it gets over written. What can I do to stop it
from doing so. Any help would be highly appreciated.
Thanks,
Asim
PS: Please e-mail replies to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (xcitor)
Subject: Re: Copying linux system....
Date: 8 Jan 1999 00:31:01 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 07 Jan 1999 15:36:45 +1000,
James wrote
from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
|Can anyone tell me if it's possible to copy a whole linux partition with
|a recursive cp?
|
|I have run out of disk space on my linux partition and want to move it
|to a larger empty partition.
I would do the following:
[root@axel /mirror]# dump 0f - /some_file_system | restore rf - .
This assumes:
(1) You are in the directory where you want things to end up; and
(2) You have write perms in that directory.
man dump and man restore for more details.
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From: David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.linux.x,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Is Microsoft a nasty company ? I'm asking you this question.
Date: 08 Jan 1999 01:54:37 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Varela) writes:
> On Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:28:36, Randal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > but for the number of crashes and the lost work. Yes, it's often from doing
> > something foolish (today the secretary deleted a file she had open in a word
> > processor from outside the word processor---good night). but it still causes
> > enormous frustration.
>
> Are you saying that Windows lets you delete an open file? Or are you saying
> that an attempt to do so crashes the system?
>
> Either way, YE GODS!
I guess that the file was not really being open. You know that Unix
has no problem allowing people to delete open files? All that gets
deleted is the *name* of the file, the way to access it. Deleting or
renaming the file does not disturb the operations once the file is
open, because the file name is only consulted when doing the "open"
call, as the "open" call is the way to associate a file on disk with a
file descriptor.
Once no name or path leading to a file exists and nobody has that file
open anymore, the space for the file is freed.
--
David Kastrup Phone: +49-234-700-5570
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax: +49-234-709-4209
Institut f�r Neuroinformatik, Universit�tsstr. 150, 44780 Bochum, Germany
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From: David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: 08 Jan 1999 01:57:01 +0100
"Netnerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The consumer has spoken, but will this affect Penfield Jackson�s
> rulings? Of course not, a biased and angry Penfield will rule
> against Microsoft on every count and impose the most severe penalty
> he believes possible. But not to worry, there is a contingency plan
> in place regardless the DOJ trial and appeals outcome. Long live
> Microsoft.
Well, in *our* country court cases are decided by the law, not by
public votes, but of course, in the land that has made lynching
popular the procedures might be different.
--
David Kastrup Phone: +49-234-700-5570
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax: +49-234-709-4209
Institut f�r Neuroinformatik, Universit�tsstr. 150, 44780 Bochum, Germany
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sam Vere)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Lynx won't connect remote files...
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 00:54:39 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Okay, I'll try this one again...
I was trying out Lynx recently, and I couldn't get it to connect to
any remote files. Local files okay, internet files nothing.
I've got my DNS servers in etc/resolv, _all_ the other browsers work,
so why not Lynx? Have I missed something?
I'm confused.
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From: Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Floppy Disk Drive
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 18:50:12 -0600
Paul Davies wrote:
>
> To read to floppy disk, I use mount /mnt/floppy
>
> However, when I change the disk to new disk is not picked up - an "ls"
> reveals files that were on the old disk.
>
> When I try and remount, I keep getting a "device is busy" message which
> takes about 20 mins to disappear before it reads the new floppy.
>
> Surely there must be a simpler way to read new floppies!
>
> Any help appreciated.
>
> Paul
Your mount command is right. Where you are tripping up is when you
remove or change the diskette in the drive without unmounting it. Also,
I would do a SYNC commmand before I unmounted if I had changed anything
on the diskette.
put diskette in floppy drive
mount /mnt/floppy
,,, do some stuff, browse, delete, save, etc...
SYNC
umount /mnt/floppy
remove diskette
repeat the process
Notice that the command us not "unmount" but "umount".
Also, if you are running Xwindows, KDE for example, you can put an icon
on your desktop and then the process is:
put diskette in floppy drive
click floppy icon, which changes to mounted icon, mounts drive and opens
file manager.
browse, delete, save, etc...
click floppy icon, which unmounts drive and displays unmounted icon
remove diskette
repeat process.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (xcitor)
Subject: Re: restarting apps without rebooting
Date: 8 Jan 1999 00:59:10 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 07 Jan 1999 22:42:39 GMT,
Frederick Senn wrote
from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
|I'd like to know wheter someone knows of a site listing how linux apps
|(apache, sendmail, etc) can be forced to reread their conf files
|without having to reboot the entire system?
|I'm a newbie to linux and heard that nt has to get rebooted for every
|litte tweak.
The complete opposite is true. One rarely has to reboot a Linux system
to minor software configuration changes. About the only time a machine
might actually need rebooting is if you're installing a new kernel.
Most daemons should respond to a HUP, ie, `kill -HUP processid`. Do a
`man kill` and/or a `kill -l` to learn more. On some Linuxes, like
RedHat, it is even easier. Take a look in /etc/rc.d/init.d. Here lives
all your init scripts for startup/shutdown. Usually, issuing a
`/etc/rc.d/init.d/sendmail restart` will restart the sendmail daemon.
Good Luck...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (xcitor)
Subject: Re: need redhat5.2
Date: 8 Jan 1999 00:59:11 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 7 Jan 1999 14:44:59 -0400,
Jani wrote
from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
in message <772vlt$k3p$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
|Does someone know where I could find Redhat5.2 on a fast server?
http://www.cheapbytes.com/
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