Linux-Misc Digest #540, Volume #18 Sat, 9 Jan 99 22:13:08 EST
Contents:
My PATH statment is screwed up ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Telnet In, FTP In, Etc (John Robicheau)
Re: Can't install xfstt (error in shared library) (Gary Momarison)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (rj friedman)
Re: Point of Sale (POS) Solutions? (Gary Momarison)
Re: Linux Commands (Lyle Ainsworth)
Setting Up Ethernet Card (Jeff Grossman)
re: BellAtlantic.net and PPP 2.3.5 (Frank Hale)
Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ... (Joel Mock)
Re: .bz2 ? (Mike Werner)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers ("Dave C.")
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers ("Poison Ivan")
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers ("Poison Ivan")
Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march? (John Morris)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Darin Johnson)
Re: Version numbering and revision control (Mike Werner)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: My PATH statment is screwed up
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 00:19:40 GMT
Allright everyone,
I insatlled a program and it totally screwed up my PATH statement. I know
what is wrong with the PATH statement itself, but I am not sure where in the
startup its screwing up. I tried grepping the /etc and the /etc/sysinit
folders, but I can't find out where the PATH is being screwed up.
Does Linux have some sort of "debug" mode where I can have it pause after
every time the PATH is being changed so I can see exactly where it is
screwing up?
Any other suggestions about how to find out where my PATH statement is
screwing up?
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From: John Robicheau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: Telnet In, FTP In, Etc
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 02:09:03 GMT
Jeff Grossman wrote:
> Okay, I tried that just to make a quick connection to see if I could
> make it work. But it did not. I typed in
>
> xhost + 192.168.168.1
>
> and it gave me the error,
>
> xhosts: Unable to open display ""
>
> That ip address is of the machine that I am using to telnet into. The
> Linux machine is using ip 192.168.168.100.
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff
>
> Jeff Kay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
Hey there,
Did you edit the inetd file in the /etc dir?
You have to make sure that the FTP and TELNET services are "uncommented"
that is : that there is no '#' in fron of them in the listing.
After uncommenting them... save the file.
Also make sure that you have user accounts to log in with. You can do
that usin linuxconf. Or the adduser command as 'root'.
- John
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From: Gary Momarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can't install xfstt (error in shared library)
Date: 09 Jan 1999 18:15:07 -0800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (djb) writes:
> a) Install xfstt-0.9.8.tar in /tmp and try 'make && make install' as
> directed. Result: "can't find cc1plus". Finally figure out that this is
> some kind of program and find cc1plus hidden deep in
> /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-redhat-linux/egcs-2.90.27/cc1plus
> Copy this to /sbin/ and try again....
I had this problem once, but have forgotten what the problem was. I might
have installed a new egcs (not an RPM, BTW). Try DejaNews with "cc1" or
"cc1plus"; I bet it is a FAQ.
> Can anyone please explain what's happening and what I should do next?
Libraries are a pain; I don't know what else to say. Maybe DL a tarball
instead of an RPM, or fix your compiler (maybe gcc instead of egcs)
and DL a source tarball and make it from that. See README file.
--
Linux Info: Gary's Encyclopedia at http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (rj friedman)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: 10 Jan 1999 02:25:23 GMT
On Thu, 7 Jan 1999 23:36:08, "Netnerd"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
�The latest consumer poll shows that 81 percent of consumers think Microsoft
�has been good for consumers, and 52 percent think the case was brought to
�help Microsoft's rivals.
What latest consumer poll? The one conducted by that public
relations company MS bought whose job it was, was to fake
"legitimate grass roots support for MS?"
�The consumer has spoken...
The whore for MS has spoken...
________________________________________________________
[RJ] OS/2 - Live it, or live with it.
rj friedman Team ABW
Taipei, Taiwan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To send email - remove the `yyy'
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From: Gary Momarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Point of Sale (POS) Solutions?
Date: 09 Jan 1999 17:55:46 -0800
Check out the POS section of Gary's Encyclopedia at
http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/business.html
Note the link to a Linux Gazette article about a guy
who did this for a very small Pizza chain.
A company named Apropos Retail Management Systems is putting
the Jay Jacobs clothing chain on Linux. I think they sell
systems (HW+SW); but not just software.
If you're going to "roll your own", you'll probably find some
interesting stuff in http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/database.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lyle Ainsworth)
Subject: Re: Linux Commands
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 20:35:21 -0600
[This followup was posted to comp.os.linux.misc and a copy was sent to
the cited author.]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
> Hi!
>
> Where can I find a site or a book with all linux commands.
>
>
> thx
>
>
>
Linux in a Nutshell from O'Reilly Press has every command that I have
ever used and then some.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeff Grossman)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Setting Up Ethernet Card
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 02:35:49 GMT
Hello,
I am having some trouble setting up my ethernet card for Linux. I am
using Red Hat version 5.2.
When I issue the following commands I can ping out and in, with no
problems.
insmod tulip.o
ifconfig eth0 192.168.168.100
route add default eth0
I can then use the ethernet card fine. But once I restart the
machine, it is no longer configured. How do I fix this problem?
Thanks,
Jeff
---
Jeff Grossman ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: Frank Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: re: BellAtlantic.net and PPP 2.3.5
Date: 10 Jan 1999 02:36:49 GMT
Frank Hale wrote:
>
> How come I can connect to BellAtlantic.net with PPP 2.2.0f-5 but when I
> upgrade to the newest version say the one that came with my RedHat 5.2
> system it won't connect. I have had to downgrade this package evertime I
> upgraded RH from 5.0 - 5.1 and now 5.2.
>
Forget it. I got a new ISP I am sick of fooling with BellAtlantic.net
AT&T World net gives directions on how to connect with Linux in case
other BellAtlantic.net frustrated users want to change.
http://www.wurd.com/
For dialing with linux see below link.
http://www.wurd.com/wurd/software/dialers/linux.html
Anyway I signed up online so easy and got a new account. I followed the
Linux dialing instructions and connected first time with the new version
of PPP 2.3.5. Forget BellAtlantic.net
--
From: Frank Hale
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 7205161
Homepage: http://members.xoom.com/frankhale/
Jade: http://jade.netpedia.net/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joel Mock)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ...
Date: 10 Jan 1999 02:44:33 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Now I know why some groups are moderated ......
On Fri, 08 Jan 1999 21:16:18 GMT, PalmII@ <remove> wrote:
>Linus is such a pansy mother fucker. He needs real balls like bill
>gates. Linus says "Hey Im a gay boy and give my shit away." Bill says:
>"I own you linus mother fucker." Linus is a fuckin retard. Who else
>would make a fuckin OS with so many security holes. How many fuckers
>hack NT to run thier little eggdrop bots. You are all script kiddies.
>Who the fuck would let other people butt rape him for a kernel. Bill
>gates owns you all. I think we need to start putting tatoos on all
>these fuckin artic following homos heads.. And hopefully that tatoo
>will have bill gates head with a windows 2000 logo. I could write a
>better OS out of basic on a toaster. My on screen programming for my
>VCR is better than the gui for linux. I hope linus gets nut cancer and
>dies. Microsoft will soon buy linux so you all can get a real os. I
>cant wait for microsoft brings msinux to rape all you linux fags.
>
>Please do not flame me .. its only an opinion.
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From: Mike Werner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: .bz2 ?
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 21:31:27 -0500
You need the bzip utility. It lives at http://www.muraroa.demon.co.uk/
--
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From: "Dave C." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 02:50:35 GMT
Whoa! These flames are high enough to burn God's butt...
I betcha that without Micro$oft, Linux might not have grown so popular so
fast. I love Linux for being the best example of cooperation resulting in a
fantastic (and free!) product. I love Micro$oft for being so damn big and
brutal that OSS developers have a tangible target against which to hone
their skills. M$ may turn out to be the best thing to happen to Open Source
and Linux in particular.
--Dave C. :-)
Steven C. Den Beste wrote in message <369821b6.37689542@news-server>...
<snip>
>>Why then is the consumer putting up with an operating system that
>>crashes several orders of magnitudes more than other offers?
>
>Perhaps because they're not? Perhaps because the rumor about instability is
>an urban legend based on anecdotal evidence, and not grounded on anything
>statistically valid?
>
>> Why is
>>the consumer putting up with applications that force him to pay loads
>>of money for upgrading everything to the newest incompatible file
>>format?
>
>Perhaps because they're not? Perhaps because no-one is actually forcing
>anyone to upgrade? Perhaps because they're upgrading to get new features?
>
>> Why is he putting up with operating systems that will
>>configure themselves unusable if you happen to switch your modem on
>>before your computer as opposed to afterwards?
>
>Perhaps because they're not? Perhaps because you're basing this on
anecdotal
>evidence and that many other people have found that nothing like this
>happens?
>
>>In what way is the consumer benefiting when Microsoft comes up all the
>>time with new "standards" which have the sole advantage over existing
>>ones that they are incompatible with them?
>
>Because they truly are standards. Because the customers know that Microsoft
>is the 600 pound canary, and that when MS declares something to be a
>standard, the industry will adopt it. MS's participation in something
pretty
>much guarantees industry buy-in.
>
>>In the long run, the customer is taken advantage off if competition
>>gets obliterated.
>
>Except that there's no evidence that competition IS being obliterated. In
>some areas concentration and shakeout have happened. That's happened in
>product areas where Microsoft doesn't compete; it's not a function of
>Microsoft being present, but rather of the fact that those market areas are
>mature.
>
>In other areas there's enormous competition.
>
>>Yes, of course the average consumer is glad that there is something
>>like Windows, or he would not have bought it. But this does not mean
>>that it is in the consumers interest if competition gets killed by
>>unfair means. The consumer will rather put up with Microsoft than not
>>to have any workable software for his specific purposes at all.
>
>Who are you to decide what's better for "the consumer"? Why shouldn't they
>decide for themselves?
>
>--------
>Steven C. Den Beste [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>"True expertise on a subject is demonstrated by
> the ability to win a series of wagers on that subject."
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From: "Poison Ivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 17:32:26 -0800
Johan Kullstam wrote in message ...
>"Poison Ivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>>Are you saying Win98 and MS-DOS 1.0 are the same thing and
>> therefore should be priced the same?
>>
>> Um, OK ...
>
>well, PIIs are going for about $2k and 4MHz 8088 were also going for
>$2k back in the early eighties. are they the same thing and should
>they be priced the same?
I bought an 8086 in the early eighties. I paid $200 for it, not $2000.
But that's neither here nor there. A loaf of bread I bought in 1982 would
cost three times as much today. Does this mean software "should" be three
times as expensive today as it was in 1982?
I don't understand these "should" statements at all. Prices are determined
by supply and demand.
>a hell of a lot of people bought DOS machines.
Not compared to the number of people who are buying Windows machines.
>> Honestly, I don't see what the price of MS-DOS in 1988 has to do with the
>> value consumers receive from Win98.
>
>it has none. i derive no value from win98 since i do not use it. yet
>vendors seem to go out of their way to foist it upon me when i buy a
>computer.
Strictly speaking, you foist it upon yourself when you buy a vendor's
product.
In an economic sense, the value an individual consumer derives from a
product is pretty irrelevant. The vast majority of consumers still get a lot
of value for their purchase of Windows, and since vendors like to please a
lot of people, vendors like to bundle Windows with their computers.
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From: "Poison Ivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 17:49:24 -0800
Johan Kullstam wrote in message ...
>> If Microsoft wanted to maximize profits, they would jack up the price of
>> Windows to $500. *That* would be a monopoly behaving at its worst,
gouging
>> consumers. A monopoly that keeps prices low does no harm to consumers.
>
>microsoft has never been interested in money. the money is simply a
>byproduct and tool. what bill gates wants is *control*. his goal is
>not `to be the richest guy on the planet' but `windows everywhere'.
I believe you hit the nail on the head, Johan.
Gates controlling the industry is not bad for consumers, though. If
consumers get a valuable product for a cheap price, they will be happy.
Consumer harm doesn't occur until the monopoly jacks the prices way up.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Morris)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march?
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 02:15:31 GMT
>Last I heard, their Linux team never finished. They seem to be putting only a
>half-hearted effort into it :(
Hmm.... too bad. I don't understand that. <sigh>
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From: Darin Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: 09 Jan 1999 18:57:49 -0800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David H. McCoy) writes:
> >But I think it is pretty clear that if you are using Win9x/NT, you
> >aren't doing anything critical.
>
> Only about 8 days into the new year and this comment takes the lead in
> the narrowminded post race.
OK, name something critical that's being done on Win9x. Critical
meaning it can't be done without and having the computer down for a
day would be a disaster, or having the room containing the computer
catch fire and destroy everything in it would be an unrecoverable
distater (software and data disaster that is).
Critical apps are those where the company actually stores the backup
tapes in a separate far-removed building (often just letting a third
party security company handle them instead). Critical apps are those
with contingency plans in place to cover disasters (other than have
all the company execs sneak into a country without extradition laws).
Actually, there are critical apps on Win9x/NT - basically the small
business that keeps all records on the PC, assuming it's safe. Ie,
the computer vanishes, the company is in serious financial and legal
danger. It's NOT a good idea, but it is done (using Win95/98 instead
of WinNT is risky, and not having paper records or backups in a safe
place is just stupid).
--
Darin Johnson
"Look here. There's a crop circle in my ficus!" -- The Tick
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From: Mike Werner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Version numbering and revision control
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 21:41:36 -0500
As I remember from my limited use of RCS (mostly while writing essays
for my English class, with a little bit during a programming class) you
can manually assign revision branches. Then any further development in
the branch will get numbered normally. So you could have simultaneous
"stable" and "development" branches. It just takes a bit of
intervention to get the process going.
--
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