Linux-Misc Digest #638, Volume #18 Sat, 16 Jan 99 08:13:11 EST
Contents:
Re: Does XFree support AGP chipsets? (Phil Edwards)
Re: Linux with 256Mb? (293724443a)
Re: This is Linux, not Windows, so why not superior flexibility AND idiot-friendly?
(David Steuber)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (David Steuber)
Re: This is Linux, not Windows, so why not superior flexibility AND idiot-friendly?
(David Steuber)
Re: Is StarOffice available in .rpm format? [Red Hat Linux] (293724443a)
Nikon Coolscan LS-1000+SANE+Linux (Bob Hepple)
Re: Mounting FAT32 (293724443a)
Re: Compiling Qt library 1.42 (free version) (Umberto Michelucci)
Re: Emacs! Re: Easy UNIX editor (Conrad C. Nobili)
Linux Free
NetComm Internal Modem works with Windows 95 but not Red Hat Linux 5.2. (Michael
Minto)
Re: Secuity hole with perl (suidperl) and nosuid mounts on Linux (Peter Samuelson)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Toon Moene)
Re: Why isn't this simple script working? (Fhurqaan Hamid)
win95/linux ("Butch")
Re: GIMP error: undefined gtk_set_locale (Rod Smith)
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From: Phil Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Does XFree support AGP chipsets?
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:54:50 +0000
"Bruce Merry (Entropy)" wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I'm going to be upgrading my video card RSN. I've noticed that all the
> AGP cards seem to require Win95 OSR 2.1, not bad old 95a. I'm wondering
> if XFree (I'm using 3.3.1, but I don't mind upgrading to 3.3.3.1) also
> has a problem with AGP chipsets.
>
Bruce:
I'm using a Trident 3d Image 9850 AGP card in my PC at home. I have Suse
5.3 installed and I use the XFCOM_Trident server without any problems.
As far as Win95 is concerned, I had to install an AGP driver
specifically for my motherboard, which is an AOpen AX59Pro.
I know there are problems getting X to run with some SiS chipsets, but I
guess you'd have to check the HWC list before you go out and buy your
new card.
--
Phil Edwards
Technical Specialist
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (293724443a)
Subject: Re: Linux with 256Mb?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 11:57:10 GMT
On Sat, 16 Jan 1999 11:07:40 +0100, F. Javier Heredia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
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}/Hi to all.
}/
}/I use Slackware 3.2, kernel 2.0.19 (I think!), in a P166 with
}/a TX motherboard. Recently I upgrade the memory up to 256Mb
}/(2*168Mb DIMM) , but, looking at the information prompted by
}/the "top" command, it seems that Linux only recognizes 64Mb,
}/which was the amount of memory before the upgrade (I did previously
}/an upgrade from 32MB to 64Mb without any problem). So, two
}/questions arise:
}/
}/1) Are really Linux able to support the 256Mb? (I asked this question
}/ previously in the NG and somebody answered that it can handle up
}/ to 1Gb).
}/2) Must I do something special to make Linux recognize the
}/ 256Mb installed?
}/
}/TIA
}/
}/Javier
}/
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}/ F. Javier Heredia :
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}/ Univ. Politecnica de Catalunya : phone. : +34-3-401-73-35
}/ FME. Edifici U, Campus Sud : FAX : +34-3-401-58-55
}/ c. Pau Gargallo 5, :
}/ 08071 Barcelona. Spain :
}/................................................................
No, all you need to do is add the line mem=256M behind the name of your kernel at the
LILO: prompt
e.g. LILO: linux mem=256M
that should do it.
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From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.powerpc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: This is Linux, not Windows, so why not superior flexibility AND
idiot-friendly?
Date: 15 Jan 1999 21:52:13 -0500
"Richard S. Lumpkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
-> Why don't you yap about this on the advocacy newsgroups and level the
-> technical discussions groups out of it. We're trying to help and learn
-> about Linux, whining about how hard you find it has no place here.
I think a gentle suggestion and _setting followups_ would have been
sufficient.
--
David Steuber
http://www.david-steuber.com
s/trashcan/david/ to reply by mail
"Hackers penetrate and ravage delicate, private, and publicly owned
computer systems, infecting them with viruses and stealing materials
for their own ends. These people, they're, they're terrorists."
-- Secret Service Agent Richard Gill
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From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: 15 Jan 1999 20:02:04 -0500
Chris Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
-> David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
->
-> > The main reason the consumer looses is technical advances are
-> > dramaticly slowed by the lack of competition. Linux is nothing more
-> > than the reimplimentation of an old design.
->
-> So is a Mercedes. God, as they say, is in the details.
I'm not denegrating Linux. I expect that Linux will start setting
standards rather than following them in a short time.
I am looking forward to the time when reference implementations are
developed on Linux for creating new RFCs and IETF standards.
--
David Steuber
http://www.david-steuber.com
s/trashcan/david/ to reply by mail
"Hackers penetrate and ravage delicate, private, and publicly owned
computer systems, infecting them with viruses and stealing materials
for their own ends. These people, they're, they're terrorists."
-- Secret Service Agent Richard Gill
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From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.powerpc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: This is Linux, not Windows, so why not superior flexibility AND
idiot-friendly?
Date: 15 Jan 1999 21:36:50 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (MalkContent) writes:
-> Since the demise of commercially available Dos - based software,
-> I have been stuck with adjusting to Windoze.
My first impression of Windows 3.0 was, "nice try. Almost as nice as
a Mac. Not!"
I started to like it when I programed for 3.1. Mind you, I had never
seen Unix or anything like it at this point. I came from CP/M, DOS,
TRS-DOS.
-> I don`t have a really snazzy job, I work in a warehouse.
-> I however am a consumer. I buy things I can use.
I am a software engineer as well as a consumer. My job is often
tedious too.
-> Having just bought RedHat 5.2, I thought I was going to shit a horse!
LOL! I hope you don't have hemeroids.
-> This stuff is user tolerant. That's it.
-> (unless of course you're one of the tech-elite...cos this discussion keeps
-> degrading into elitist convo.)
It was designed for people who hate to type but have an amazing memory
for all those damnd command line switches and other commands in the shell.
-> aIts a pain in the backside to mount then unmount a CDROM.
-> even though it looks like :
-> mount dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom/blahblahblah
I agree. I use /cdrom as my mount point and I have this line in my
/etc/fstab file:
/dev/hdc /cdrom iso9660 ro,noauto,user 0 0
That way, all I type is:
mount /cdrom
and
umount /cdrom
-> Most users probably agree that that's a whole bunch of extra effort.
-> If Linux is so great as described, why's it so painful for the john doe to use?
The biggest reason is because OEMs like Compaq, Dell, etc are not
shipping computers with Linux preinstalled and configured to the
consumer.
The distributers also have fewer resources to create a full blown
automatic installation procedure. It is much easier than it used to
be, but you still need to know somethings about your hardware.
-> Windoze is a necessary evil - access for the uninformed, or unwilling
I think such people should get an iMac instead.
-> Masochists (like myself) grab Linux out of a box, and find there's a whole
-> boatload of tweaking we need to do to use it. john doe won't.
We don't all have such difficult times. At least you stuck with it.
Many people give up after five minutes and post crap about how bad
Linux is. At least you have given it a chance and are not telling any
lies about the shortcommings of your distribution.
-> The real evil of M$ is their monopolistic practices.
-> The real good of linux is that its like philosophy - free to all for their use.
I can go along with that. I also like the fact that Linux can be
customized to your personal taste. You don't have such choice with
other PC operating systems.
-> Then again, someone out there is gonna flame the hell outta this,
-> and Gates' lawyers probably want me dead now too! =)
I don't see why this deserves any flames, except that it should be
posted to just the advocacy group. Meanwhile, if any of Gate's goons
show up, give me a call. I know a good river near by where the crabs
will eat anything. ;-)
--
David Steuber
http://www.david-steuber.com
s/trashcan/david/ to reply by mail
"Hackers penetrate and ravage delicate, private, and publicly owned
computer systems, infecting them with viruses and stealing materials
for their own ends. These people, they're, they're terrorists."
-- Secret Service Agent Richard Gill
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (293724443a)
Subject: Re: Is StarOffice available in .rpm format? [Red Hat Linux]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 12:07:59 GMT
On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:13:24 +0800, Mohammed Rezdwan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
}/Hello there,
}/I'm interested in StarOffice 5.0, but I can't seem to
}/find it in .rpm format. Is there by any chance that
}/I can find it in .rpm format somewhere? Just tell me
}/the URL. Thanxx in advance.
}/
}/F.Y.I.
}/Operating system: Red Hat Linux 5.2
}/Architechture: i386
You don't need it in .rpm format.
Go to ftp://ftp2.stardivision.de/pub/so5/unxlnxi and get so50_01.tar.
It has to be registerd though, at http://www.stardivision.com
just follow the links for the free linux version and register it to get the code.
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From: Bob Hepple <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.periphs.scanners,comp.os.linux.hardware,aus.computers.linux
Subject: Nikon Coolscan LS-1000+SANE+Linux
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 21:15:23 +1000
This 35mm SCSI film scanner is working fine under Linux-2.0.30/SANE-1.0
xscanimage but has a problem under scanimage, the command-line version.
I'm using the coolscan-0.3 backend by Didier Carlier.
At 2700 dpi resolution, the scan is completed but the scanner then hangs
- I have to cycle the scanners's power in order to continue using it.
I'd use xscanimage but it's so darn slooooooow with these 3500x2500x24
images (particularly processing the images with gimp - pnm tools are
much faster if you don't need interactivity).
At 1350 dpi and less, scanimage works just fine.
Does anyone have a fix for scanimage/coolscan? Alternatively, a hack
that would reset the scanner by software instead of cycling power? It
can't be doing the thing any good to cycle power after every scan!
Another problem - but easy to work around - is that the coolscan backend
flips the image left-right (yes, the negative is in the right way,
emulsion side down!). Easy to fix with pnmflip but does anyone have a
patch?
Cheers
Bob
--
Bob Hepple
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.finder.com.au
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (293724443a)
Subject: Re: Mounting FAT32
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 12:14:14 GMT
On Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:10:12 +0100, Michael Schlenstedt
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
}/mount -t vfat /dev/XXX /mountpoint
}/
}/You also have to kompile a kernel with vfat-Support in it.
}/
}/CU
}/Schlenn
}/
}/--
}/Linux -- Where do you want to go tomorrow?
}/-------------------------------------------------------
}/eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You will also probably need to compile in support for Codepage 437.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Umberto Michelucci)
Subject: Re: Compiling Qt library 1.42 (free version)
Date: 16 Jan 1999 11:53:38 GMT
If you can be more specific would be more helpful. When i compiled my Qt i
just typed .-configure and the make. Tell me something more.
David Martin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: I tried compiling the Qt library (downloaded from Linuxberg) but kept getting
: unresolved symbols and suchlike in the application example.
: Does anyone have any hints as to how to get this to compile as I need it to
: compile Killustrator and a few other things?
: System: SuSE 5.3 with kernel 2.0.36
: Compile option linux-g++-shared
: ..d
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Conrad C. Nobili)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.powerpc,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.editors
Subject: Re: Emacs! Re: Easy UNIX editor
Date: 16 Jan 1999 11:20:52 GMT
Ilya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: He got a good point. But then he asked for "EASY" Unix editor, not the
: most efficient one. The easiest one is emacs.
You're on fucking crack! ;-)
: Learn a dozen or two
: easy commands and you are ready to do anything. I feel the learning curve
: is flatter than for vi (and I used both for years.)
Many times in the past 16 years or so I have fired up emacs and started
the tutorial. Almost invariably the end result has been my starting up
another terminal session and killing the process. After all, how does
one produce a Meta-Alt-Shift-Ctrl-Esc-X-Q *when there's no fucking Meta
key on the keyboard*?!? ;-)
The only reason I have fired up emacs so many times is that I know that
it is indeed the one true way. Unfortunately my fingers learned vi (my
brain long since forgot it) a long time ago. And they're pretty goddamn
good at it -- they've impressed emacs users who have impressed me.
: When I have to do a lot of editing, I use vi. Like programming. I can move
: in the buffer a bit faster and not take my hands off home row.
You don't know shit about staying on the home row unless you type with
a Dvorak keyboard layout. aoeuidhtns- ;-)
I love it. There's real stuff to be said about editors, but this same
emacs vs. vi argument is pretty vacant and hasn't changed much in the
decade and a half that I've followed it.
--cn
Conrad C. Nobili N1LPM [EMAIL PROTECTED] Harvard University NDTL
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux Free
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:20:32 -0200
Is there anyone who can help me to find a free Linux Operational system? Is
that true its a freeware soff?
Please help me!!!
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:24:52 +1100
From: Michael Minto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: NetComm Internal Modem works with Windows 95 but not Red Hat Linux 5.2.
Modem Brand : NetComm
Model : InPlus SVD ( IN3420 )
Operating System : Red Hat Linux version 5.2
Program : The 'pppd' peer to peer program.
Comm Port : 3
Problem:
pppd can't initialise modem or communicate with ISP, however, I am
able to communicate ( albeit, rather slowly ) with the modem using the
'Minicom' program. Can you tell me if this modem has known problems when
being used with Red Hat Linux 5.2. I Know some modems do have problems
with this operating system. If these problems do exist with my modem,
what avenues exist for addressing them?
Best Regards
Michael Minto
Newcastle, Australia
Ph. 61-2-4950-8162
Fax. 61-2-4950-8162
Email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Samuelson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.lang.perl.misc
Subject: Re: Secuity hole with perl (suidperl) and nosuid mounts on Linux
Date: 16 Jan 1999 06:11:25 -0600
Reply-To: Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[Brian McCauley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
> The suid script emulation in Perl 5.0004_4 (as found in SuSE Linux
> 5.3 and doubtless other Linux distributions) fails to take account of
> the nosuid mount option on filesystems.
Ah, but have you actually tried to exploit this? It won't work. The
kernel tests for this (check the source at fs/exec.c:550-562 in 2.0.35
or fs/exec.c:647-661 in 2.2.0pre7). It'll just return EPERM
("Operation not permitted") to the execve() call. Doesn't matter if
you're talking about suidperl or the real thing -- if the file is
marked setuid or setgid it simply won't run (unless you are root, or
you already have the same UID/GID as the file).
--
Peter Samuelson
<sampo.creighton.edu!psamuels>
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From: Toon Moene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:44:44 +0100
Richard Steiner wrote:
> Largely, yes. :-) At least in the home desktop space. Games are a
> lot less important in other contexts. But they DO drive OS popularity
> (at least on the desktop).
Is there any good guess on the ratio "home computers" / "business
desktops" (assuming the latter won't be equiped with games ?
--
Toon Moene ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Saturnushof 14, 3738 XG Maartensdijk, The Netherlands
Phone: +31 346 214290; Fax: +31 346 214286
g77 Support: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; egcs: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fhurqaan Hamid)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Why isn't this simple script working?
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 20:19:00 +0800
Reply-To: @[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>Hello everyone,
>
>Can anyone tell me why this *simple* script is not working? It is driving me
>bonkers! (Yes, I made it executable):
>
>PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin
>export PATH
you forgot the ""
try this
export PATH="/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin"
--
Rock n' roll ain't noise pollution...
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From: "Butch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: win95/linux
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:04:52 -0500
Okay, I had to reinstall red hat because I was getting a lot of swap space
errors. I think I set everything up right this time, because I'm not getting
network errors. I actually got the nic installed right. But I'm still not
getting the 95 box. I tried to ping it but when I ran the ping it just hung
up. Can anyone exlpain why this would happen? Also, this may be the wrong
place for it, but I can't add the route of the linux box from the 95 box...
any comments?
-- Roger W Dickey, Jr --
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: GIMP error: undefined gtk_set_locale
Date: 15 Jan 1999 13:53:21 GMT
In article <77m887$8eg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith) writes:
> Hi,
>
> I've been trying to get the GIMP working on my system with limited
> success. I'm running Red Hat 5.2, and have tried both the version that
> comes with it and the latest stable version (1.0.2-1, in RPM format) from
> the GIMP's web site. I can run the program fine as root, but when I try
> it as an ordinary user, I get the following:
>
> gimp: error in loading shared libraries
>: undefined symbol: gtk_set_locale
In case anybody cares, I found the cause: I had an old copy of the GTK
(and associated) libraries sitting unnoticed in /usr/local/lib, but my
more recent RPM-installed GTK libraries were in /usr/lib. When I ran the
program as root, the /usr/lib libraries were loaded, and when I ran it as
a normal user, /usr/local/lib got searched first. Trashing the GTK and
associated libraries in /usr/local/lib, then running ldconfig, did the
trick.
--
Rod Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.users.fast.net/~rodsmith
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