Linux-Misc Digest #638, Volume #24 Mon, 29 May 00 08:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: C, C++ Documentation? (Andreas Kahari)
LUG: Speakers needed in Northern California (William Kendrick)
Re: LUG: Speakers needed in Northern California (William Kendrick)
Re: Sun Sparc faster then intel pentium: is this true???? (Casper H.S. Dik - Network
Security Engineer)
Re: Access a Windows NT printer share? (Akira Yamanita)
Exchange features in Sendmail ??? ("Benson Lei")
Re: Updating RH Linux (ray)
Re: Motherboard choice? (Akira Yamanita)
Re: gnome 1.2 menu bar (ray)
reccommended partitions and sizes ("Steven Thurgood (1X0S)")
Anyone installed Gnome on WinLinux? | Help with .tar.gz install??? (Stanislav Okhvat)
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Linuxconf seems to be running as a daemon. Why? ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: xmms (YamYam)
Re: ISO files, without the CD (James Stevenson)
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From: Andreas Kahari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: C, C++ Documentation?
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 08:07:16 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
jwaggoner.AT.charter.net wrote:
> If this is off-topic please advise which newsgroup would be best.
>
> I am using RH linux 6.1 and would like to learn more about
> programming in C/C++. I have found several good tutorials, but I am
> looking for a listing of the available library functions and their
> descriptions. I also would like to look at a how-to about socket
> programming.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
You will find the manual for the GNU C library at
<URL:http://www.gnu.org/manual/glibc-2.0.6/html_chapter/libc_toc.html>.
Theres a chapter in there about sockets too.
Then see <URL:http://www.gnu.org/software/gcc/onlinedocs/> for online
docs on GCC (includes both 'gcc' and 'g++' and 'cpp' etc.).
All online GNU manuals are at
<URL:http://www.gnu.org/manual/manual.html>. Bookmark that page!
/A
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From: William Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: LUG: Speakers needed in Northern California
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 08:33:31 GMT
LUGOD, the Linux Users' Group of Davis, is currently looking for people
interested in doing presentations at upcoming meetings.
LUGOD meets on the First Tuesday and Third Monday of each month,
at 6:30pm in the evening. Meetings typically last until 9:00 or 9:30pm.
The club will be happy to purchase dinner or drinks for the speaker
afterwards.
Davis is about 20 minutes west of Sacramento. It can be reached in about
1.5-2.0 hours from the Bay Area, via Interstate 80. (I-5 is also nearby.)
Upcoming meetings which need speakers include:
Monday, July 17th
Tuesday, August 8th
Monday, August 21st
Tuesday, September 5th
Monday, September 18th
... and so on ...
If you're interested at speaking at a LUGOD meeting, please contact:
Bill Kendrick
LUGOD Chairperson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-bill!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.lugod.org/
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From: William Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LUG: Speakers needed in Northern California
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 08:45:06 GMT
William Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: LUGOD, the Linux Users' Group of Davis, is currently looking for people
: interested in doing presentations at upcoming meetings.
I forgot to mention, if you're an all-around Linux geek and know about
lots of things, our club also has a list of topics we'd be really
interested in hearing about:
http://www.lugod.org/meeting/wishlist/
>From that page, one see's we're interested in:
* Linux vs. Other Unix'es
* Linux vs. Windows
* Linux's memory utilization
* The POSIX Standard
* Using "autoconf/automake"
* Setting up sendmail/smail/qmail
* VMWare demonstration
* MySQL
* Gnutella
* PHP
Thanks! :)
-bill!
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http://www.lugod.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Casper H.S. Dik - Network Security Engineer)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: Sun Sparc faster then intel pentium: is this true????
Date: 29 May 2000 08:55:21 GMT
[[ PLEASE DON'T SEND ME EMAIL COPIES OF POSTINGS ]]
"Fredrick Gethers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>**********************************************
>Sun Sparc Classic, 50MHz sun4m archtecture, 96mb RAM (worth $30*6, $180 by
>itself), 2.1gb harddrive, Solaris 2.7 desktop with disks and manual and
>preloaded, guaranteed against DOA (this is a currently working system setup
>as my mail server), optional 20" sun monitor in new condition add $175,
>optional type 5 keyboard and mouse add $55). This Sun workstation is
>basically a Sparc 10 with different cache, and most Sparc 10's are only
>30MHz, this one is 50MHz (faster than an Intel Pentium II 450 running
>Windows 95, really, and NO crashes to boot). The only reason I am selling
>this is because I am upgrading to an Ultra computer and need some cash.
>**********************************************
Well, this message is rather bogus:
- it's not essentially a SS10; the CPU is slower (it performs
considerably less work per cycle)
- it has a tiny cache (2+4)?, smaller than the SuperSPARC's on-chip
cache (36K) (not to mention the 1MB external cache some modules
have)
- most SS10s weren't shipped at 30MHz (early models ran at 33 & 36;
most the majority are most likely 50s or better, perhaps 40; a
40MHz SuperSPARC is faster than a 50MHz LX)
- the only thing faster in the LX is memory bandwidth; being a
single CPU system, memory and CPU are closer and so is the bandwidth.
- of course it's not faster than a 450MHz PII, but you figured that
out.
Casper
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Expressed in this posting are my opinions. They are in no way related
to opinions held by my employer, Sun Microsystems.
Statements on Sun products included here are not gospel and may
be fiction rather than truth.
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From: Akira Yamanita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc,redhat.general
Subject: Re: Access a Windows NT printer share?
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 09:33:49 GMT
JNeuffer wrote:
>
> Does this work with HP JetDirect cards in a printer as well?
> <snip>
No, just skipped past the word "printer" in the original post.
My mistake.
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From: "Benson Lei" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Exchange features in Sendmail ???
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 17:33:40 -0700
Hi,
I just want to know that :
I know, in Exchange Server, there is a global Email address list ( listing
all users's email server whenever
connecting the Exchange Server by using Outlook2000).
Does anybody know that if Sendmail has such a features ? If yes, how ??
Since only except this feature, any feature in Exchange can be replaced by
Sendmail, and I am going to
use Sendmail to replace the Exchange Server.
Thank you for your help.
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From: ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Updating RH Linux
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 09:40:48 GMT
"David .." wrote:
> Ridwaan wrote:
> >
> > I am using Redhat 6.0 and want to know how I can keep my Linux up to date
> > without having to keep buying new CD and reinstalling everything from
> > scratch.
> >
> > My friend has Freebsd and he keeps up to date with cvs-up. Is there a
> > similar way to do this in Redhat? New Version is 6.2. Must I buy new CD
> > again and reinstall everything again?
> >
> > Thanx for any good pointers.
>
> You can download it and do a hard drive install or burn it to CD and
> choose upgrade existing system during the install.
>
> --
> Registered with the Linux Counter. http://counter.li.org
> ID # 123538
Right, MOST of the time, choosing "upgrade" goes smoothly. This drive started
life as Redhat 5.0 and has come all the way to 6.2 by that method. An
occasional "gotcha" has to be puzzled out, usually related to some change in
the system Redhat could not have anticipated. In my case, upgrades are
FAR less painful than fresh installs. (shudder).
--
Ray R. Jones
The Computer Shop
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From: Akira Yamanita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Motherboard choice?
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 09:48:34 GMT
"Andrew N. McGuire" wrote:
>
> On Sun, 28 May 2000, Dave Markowitz wrote:
>
> + I may be getting a DSL line installed, and I will set up a PC as a
> + gateway/server for the rest of my home network. I will use Red Hat Linux or
> + FreeBSD as the OS. Once the server is built and initially configured, I need it
> + to be "headless," i.e., be able to boot up without a keyboard and monitor. Any
> + further admin on the box will be done by telnetting in over the LAN.
> +
> + Can anyone recommend a motherboard which comes with a BIOS that will allow me
> + to set up this kind of a headless configuration?
>
> Is this a BIOS or motherboard issue? I don't know, but you have
> sparked my curiosity.. I would be inclined to say that it is not,
> but I don't know.. I am using an old P100 HP Vectra as a firewall,
> it is headless.. I administrate it through ethernet / null modem
> cable on a serial port. Please post what you find out... I will
> research this some myself.
>
> Regards,
>
> anm
Any old BIOS should do. Even my 286 had an option for "Keyboard: None"
using ATSETUP. (Anyone remember that?)
Of course, if you had a keyboard and you select "None" your keyboard
will work fine, it's just that it wouldn't halt when the keyboard was
disconnected. AMI BIOS makes you select "None," I believe. Award BIOS
has a "Halt On: " selection (or something like that) and I believe
Phoenix BIOS has the same setting (though I think the older ones had
Keyboard: None as an option).
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From: ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.powerpc
Subject: Re: gnome 1.2 menu bar
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 09:54:12 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi, I just installed gnome 1.2 from Helix and it looks really good. My
> question is that in the screenshots there appeared to be a universal
> menu bar (a la macintosh menu bar) but I don't have one and I can't find
> an option to enable it. does anyone knowhow to turn this feature on?
>
> (btw, this is for a linuxppc 2000 system)
>
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> Before you buy.
Hmmmmm, not sure what you mean by "universal menu bar". Note this:
Right click on the "arrow" at either end of the default panel, (one at the
bottom of screen), mouse up to "panel", "create panel", and you see 5
possible panel configurations. Create them all, and pick the one you like.
It's easy to close one, right click and "close panel". I use two, the
default at bottom, plus one at top that is full width of the screen.
I tried a "auto-hide" on the left, but proved unnecessary in use. Yup, the
new Helix release is by far the best desktop I have ever used. Once you get
it like you want it, just check "save setup" before you leave it.
--
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The Computer Shop
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From: "Steven Thurgood (1X0S)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: reccommended partitions and sizes
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 11:25:16 +0100
I am at somepoint in the near future planning a fairly hefty overhaul
of my linux system, and was planning on propperly partitioning things.
currentlyeverything is banged in one large partition, which is probably
not the best way to go.
So recomendations:- what partitions do you think I should make (one for
/tmp, /usr, /home?) and what sort of sizes?
This is for a home pc, with maybe 2/3 users, for doing a variety of
things; programming, graphics, music, office stuff. I'll want Xwindow
and every app I use seems to need some riduculous amount of librarys
I've never heard of, so lots of space required there.
Also, a response to a previous query of mine said that I need some space
free in order for some apps (in this case xfs) to run; where should this
space be at?
Finaly- I may be upgrading my hardware, specifically I need a lot more
harddisk space (dont you always :), as my 5 gigs is pretty full ('bout 3
gigs windows stuff, 1 gig linux, 1 gig files and misclellaneous bits and
bobs). Is one giagantic harddisk (about 20 gig) best, or is several
smaller ones better? (i would presume the smaller ones give better
performance as they can be accessed in parralell, but I'm not too well
versed in this area, and they would take up more wires and stuff).
What about RAID? how does that work (sortof..not very well worded - i
mean at a basic high level), and is it vaguely related to my situation,
or is it more for folks running massive databases who need terrabytes of
data stored?
Cheers.
-Steve
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From: Stanislav Okhvat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Anyone installed Gnome on WinLinux? | Help with .tar.gz install???
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 10:30:05 GMT
I am trying to install Gnome on WinLinux, which I was told is
Slackware-based distribution. I would like to know if anyone reading
this had experience installing Gnome on this system and what are
packages required before beginning the installation process. Glib and
gtk directories are already in the /usr/local directory, but they are
too old for the current Gnome version, and I run into problems when
installing those into new directories and modifying Paths in
ld.so.conf and /etc/profile. I am also considering the possibility of
installing from RPMs, but there are no RPMs for Slackware (though RPMs
are supported in WinLinux and the whole system seems to have been
installed from RPMs because the KDE package manager has all the
programs in its RPM package tree) and when I try to install any given
RPM package (Red Hat 6.x) for Gnome, I have too many unsatisfied
dependencies.
That is why I am currently trying the tarball installation.
Below are the lines in config.log from audiofile, the
first package I am required to install for Gnome tarball installation.
Similar problems with /usr/i386-slackware-linux/bin/ld pop up whenever
I try to configure glib, gtk, imlib, etc.
/usr/i386-slackware-linux/bin/ld: cannot open -laudio: No such file or
directory
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
configure: failed program was:
#line 2222 "configure"
#include "confdefs.h"
I also read in the Gnome FAQ that I can build RPMs for my system from
SRPMs for Red Hat, please notify me if I can do this or if anyone
tried this.
Thank you very much in advance and sorry for such a lengthy letter.
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: 28 May 2000 22:51:54 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc h3$[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: In article <8gr1h3$ml0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Peter says...
:
:>: Well, you were an idiot actually. Nothing wrong with calling an
:>: idiot an idiot. Any one who claims a mailing list can act as a bug
:>: tracking software must be a very stupied person.
:>Or a very clever one. As in the entire collective power of the
:>university professors, elite software coders, and other interested
:>hackers worldwide who make up the kernel developers.
:
: There is a huge step to take from being a good programmer but with
: no organisational and software engineering skills, to being
: a good programmer with those additional skills.
:-). That's bluster and I hope you know it!
: Think engineering, not just coding. coding takes only about
: 15% of the resources and effort (even if that) on a large
: software project. The rest is specification, design, requirments,
: source control, bug tracking, test suites, regression testing, QA,
: maintainance, and many other tasks not related to coding.
Ask yourself WHY you think that's necessary. Think profoundly, because
a lot of very clever people have already considered it, and you are
going to have to produce a sophisticated rationale.
The issues you raise have validity for an organisation with limited
resources and a customer base to satisfy, plus costs to consider.
For example, it costs an organisation to have difficult to maintain
and poorly commented code because they have to pay people to maintain
it and those people may leave, and new individuals need time to come
up to speed, whilst the old maintainers become uncontacable.
To a large extent, linux does not have those constraints acting on it.
Consider that coders are not paid in money, but in kudos, for one thing.
Yes, their activities may make them money too, but in the first instance
the monetary cost of their effort is zero, so there is no financial
pressure to reduce it. In the second instance instance the primary
coders are subject to an evolutionary selection process that
ensures that their skill level is very very high, so the cost of
difficult code is relatively low. And so on. I won't even touch on
the economic implications of open source in itself.
In particular, I'd recommend you to think about the following: Linux
_is_ a success, despite the fact that it bucks your theoretical model
of what it should be like. Therefore I'd humbly suggest that your
theory is inapplicable or wrong (the fact is that the parameters of
the situation make it inapplicable).
Peter
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linuxconf seems to be running as a daemon. Why?
Date: 28 May 2000 22:55:25 GMT
mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: I would like to understand why Linuxconf is running as a daemon,
: when I thought it is only used when one needs to configure
: some aspect of Linux
: Mike
Presumably it's sitting waiting for you to contact it (by the web?)
and ask it to configure something!
Peter
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From: YamYam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: xmms
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 11:30:04 GMT
Go to : "http://xmms.org/faq.html" and click on the line "s1: Where do I install
skins?"
-YamYam.
Daniel wrote:
>
> Hey I run Red Hat Linux 6.1 and love it. Yet, I was trying to get skins to
> work in xmms and they just don't work. I've downloaded the latest skins
> and the latest xmms and even tried deleting my config file for xmms. I had
> reinstalled linux because of my own goofup yet I didn't format my home
> directory and figured I could use the skins again. Yet, they don't work
> and don't see how in the world they don't work. Please someone tell me how
> to get the skins working again.
>
> THanks
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James Stevenson)
Subject: Re: ISO files, without the CD
Date: 29 May 2000 10:17:19 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi
you might be able to use a boot disk and then type
mount myiso.iso -o loop /mnt/distro
and run the setup program from there
of course dont forget to mount the disk its on first
i am not sure this would work its just an idea :)
cya
James
On Mon, 29 May 2000 05:34:30 GMT, william <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi,
>Is it possible to install linux from and ISO file already on a hard drive,
>or does
>it have to be converted to a CD?
>
>If it's possible, how easy is it?
>Trying to install Mandrake from an ISO file.
>
>Thanks for any assistance or pointers.
>
>William.
>
>
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