Linux-Misc Digest #668, Volume #18 Sun, 17 Jan 99 20:13:08 EST
Contents:
Re: Mounting Linux partition from Windows 98 (Teemu Aho)
Re: My partition choice (Ilya)
Does Linux support USB modems ? (Y W Wong)
Does Linux support USB modems ? (Y W Wong)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (brian moore)
Anti-Linux FUD (Colin Day)
Mounting Linux partition from Windows 98 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: My partition choice (Ilya)
CTRL-ALT-DEL (Ilya)
Re: My partition choice (Carl Fink)
rh 5.2 and raid 5 ("Uwe Fechner")
Re: which distribution package do you recommend? (Dan Nguyen)
Re: which distribution package do you recommend? ("Eugene")
Netscape time zone setting? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
FTP Server (Jeff Grossman)
Re: X programs and backspace? (Robert Lynch)
PIKT, "Problem Informant/Killer Tool," v1.1 released (Robert Osterlund)
SCSI Timouts & Linux 2.0.36 (Graeme Woollett)
Re: Secuity hole with perl (suidperl) and nosuid mounts on Linux (Ilya Zakharevich)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (allacircle)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Teemu Aho)
Subject: Re: Mounting Linux partition from Windows 98
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:46:31 GMT
On Sun, 17 Jan 1999 21:29:36 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Is there any way to mount a local Linux partition from Windows 98?
You could try fsdext2, it allows (read-only) mounting of ext2 drives
under Win95. The url is <http://www.yipton.demon.co.uk/>.
- Teemu -
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From: Ilya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: My partition choice
Date: 17 Jan 1999 23:08:12 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Carl Fink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 16 Jan 1999 23:59:17 GMT, Ilya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>/swap 512 MB
> .
> .
> .
>>I have pretty much made up my mind about /swap.
> You don't mount your swap partition as /swap -- it's not ext2 and
> isn't mountable at all. Also, unless they've changed it with kernel
> versions above 2.0.x, you can't make a single swap partition that big,
> it would have to be four or so separate swap partitions (which is easy
> to do). For maximum speed, you should put multiple swap partitions on
> different physical disk drives (if you have more than one).
> Note also that according to the Partitions-HOWTO, swap larger than
> three times your physical RAM is unlikely to be used. Note further
> that unless your machine is a heavily loaded server or you are doing
> some sort of fantastically RAM-intensive task (i.e. graphics
> processing on 100 MB bitmaps) you're unlikely to need that much swap.
> For an example, this 48 MB Linux box, running notorious RAM hog
> Netscape Navigator plus innd plus a proxy server plus various other
> stuff, has done NO swapping since I booted it. I've never managed to
> use more than 12 MB of RAM since I got it set up.
> That's a single-user machine -- as I said, servers are different.
Thanks for clarifying - the machine will have 256MB of RAM eventually, and
128MB when I get it. I guess I will have to have several swap partitions.
I am interested in a server-type machine. I don't know exactly what I will
be doing with it, but it is conceivable I might end up doing RAM-intensive
work.
I run emacs all the time, and that is a memory hog.
Thanks.
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From: Y W Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
Subject: Does Linux support USB modems ?
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 00:06:38 +0800
If it support USB modems, how many modems can be connect simultaneously
?
Y W Wong
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From: Y W Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
Subject: Does Linux support USB modems ?
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 00:15:54 +0800
It support, how many can be connect simultaneously ?
Y W Wong
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: 17 Jan 1999 23:19:28 GMT
On Sun, 17 Jan 1999 16:20:23 -0500,
Chris Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> brian moore wrote:
> >
> (snip)
> >
> > Probably the vast majority of the time they are idle. The 100 or so
> > Windows machines we have at work crash so often that it's taken as
> > normal by their users who don't believe my uptimes. (And don't
> > understand me when I whine about a silly Solaris bug that would crash
> > the system after 270 days: they couldn't conceive of a 9-month uptime,
> > while for me the fact that it couldn't exceed that without a patch was a
> > serious bug.)
> >
>
> Shame on you for spreading FUD like that. I work as an NT sysadmin in a
It's not FUD, it's a statement of my experience. Machines range from
P-75's through PII-300's, with 64M-128M of RAM. Last count there were
90 some machines on that network. (They have their own netblock so
don't pester me about IP space unless they need to be let through the
firewall.)
Each machine crashes at least once a day -- most are not heavily used.
> large development environment. Everyone uses NT workstations or Win95
> laptops. For the first 1.5 years of the project, I was the main person
> providing site support (in addition to maintaining my 8 NT servers). I
> get maybe 2 bluescreens a month out of 200 workstations and 8 servers.
> These machines aren't used lightly, so idle time is not an issue. Many
> have been up for a month or more. The least reliable server has been up
> for 50 days or so. My most reliable servers (a tie between 6) have been
> up continuously for over 6 months (would be longer, but we had to cut
> power to the data center for construction). My personal workstation was
> up for over 30 days before I shut it down to replace it with an NT
> laptop (it's never BSOD on me).
The NT server pair is so flaky they make -no- changes to it, including not
leaving a clock running or starting a screen saver. The NT machine that
controls the video playback stuff crashes so often that it is done
manually since that is on-air playback for commercial time and if the
commercials don't run, we don't get paid. The NT server that runs the
scheduling software has to be rebooted daily or users are mysteriously
locked out.
Perhaps your experiences are different, that does not invalidate mine.
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: Colin Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.conspiracy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.x,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 17:55:36 -0500
Jim Frost wrote:
> > I agree, Redhat is not Linux, frankly I am disappointed.
>
> It sure looks like Linux to me. The only thing that's particularly different
> is that they have a halfway decent installer.(*)
>
> If the argument is that RedHat users aren't Linux users (ie they are less
> sophisticated) I'd have to say that such statements are sweeping
> generalizations. Certainly that's not true of the group I run with, but YMMV.
>
> jim
>
> (*) The only two things that I find to be relatively poor about their installer
> is that it provides no defaults for disk partitions (you have to create/edit
> them yourself every time, which is a bit tedious, and new users have no idea
> what it's talking about) and it could do a better job at figuring out what kind
> of hardware you have.
>
> Even so it beats the crap out of every commercial PC UNIX I've ever used.
Maybe the original poster was saying that Redhat is not identical to all
of Linux, not that it wasn't a version of Linux.
Also, the manual I got with RH 5.0 and RH 5.1 both give good ideas
as to partitioning.
Colin Day [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Mounting Linux partition from Windows 98
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 21:29:36 GMT
Is there any way to mount a local Linux partition from Windows 98?
I have a laptop with Windows 98 on one partition (FAT32) and Red Hat 5.2 on
another partition. I can mount the FAT32 partition from Linux, but I'd like
to be able to mount the Linux partition as a drive under Windows 98.
I'd want to store files in a place that's accessable to both OS's, but I'd
prefer if I didn't have to use FAT32 as the common filesystem.
If this can't be done, is there any other filesystem that could be used... or
does Windows 98 only support FAT16 and FAT32?
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From: Ilya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: My partition choice
Date: 17 Jan 1999 23:10:40 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Frank Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Carl Fink wrote:
>>
>> On 16 Jan 1999 23:59:17 GMT, Ilya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> >/swap 512 MB
>> .
>> For an example, this 48 MB Linux box, running notorious RAM hog
>> Netscape Navigator plus innd plus a proxy server plus various other
>> stuff, has done NO swapping since I booted it. I've never managed to
>> use more than 12 MB of RAM since I got it set up.
>>
> I have 128 megs of ram and I have never got it to use the swap and I
> usually a ton of apps opened.
Yeah, I see what you mean. It really depends on the application. You might
run a RAM-intensive application rarely, like image-editing, but when you
do, I believe it will swap.
Anyway, that's immaterial. I understand the concept involved. I basically
wanted an opinion whether my partioning strategy was a good one.
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From: Ilya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: CTRL-ALT-DEL
Date: 17 Jan 1999 23:17:37 GMT
I understand that CTRL-ALT-DEL key combo reboots a Linux machine. Is this a
good feature, and if not, can it be turned off (How?)
How else can you reset a workstation?
Please post your replies, thank you.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carl Fink)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: My partition choice
Date: 17 Jan 1999 14:48:38 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 17 Jan 1999 05:45:46 GMT, Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[I wrote]
>>that unless your machine is a heavily loaded server or you are doing
>>some sort of fantastically RAM-intensive task (i.e. graphics
>>processing on 100 MB bitmaps) you're unlikely to need that much swap.
>
>Not true. All you need is a simple scanner and then do a few
>common things. I ran up 300Mb of virtual memory use at once by
>rotating a scanned image...
Er, the *example* I gave of very memory-intensive work was bitmapped
graphics.
>>For an example, this 48 MB Linux box, running notorious RAM hog
>>Netscape Navigator plus innd plus a proxy server plus various other
>>stuff, has done NO swapping since I booted it. I've never managed to
>>use more than 12 MB of RAM since I got it set up.
>
>How did you determine that?
Top.
>Given that X itself will use about
>that much memory, and so will Netscape, and that XEmacs uses even
>more... your 12Mb figure doesn't ring true.
That's because it's a typo. I meant to write that I never use more
than 12 megs of *swap*, not RAM.
--
Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Your brain is actually a fabulously complex computer, which means that
on Jan. 1, 2000, it will stop working and your body will flop around
like a recently caught perch." (Dave Barry, slightly paraphrased.)
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From: "Uwe Fechner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]�m>
Subject: rh 5.2 and raid 5
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 19:53:03 +0100
hello,
raid is in the kernel, the tools are in an rpm package, fine.
my environment:
cy486/66 32M
2x aha 1542
1x 1g fujitsu
4x 0,5g conner
1x wangtek qic 02
all scsi
i tried to setup raid5, tools installed with rpm, edit of raidtab in /etc
insmod raid5
raidadd -a
mkraid /dev/md0
raidrun -a
mount /dev/md0 /blabla
works fine.
shutdown works fine, raidstop is executed.
when the system comes up, module raid5 is not loaded, okay, no problem,
inserted the command in /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit in the section raid.
okay works fine.
shutdown and restart, all right!
but then i did the ultimate power off test.
so raidstop is not executed.
system comes up and checks all disks
raidrun says: /dev/md0 is corrupt , run ckraid
i run ckraid /dev/md0
ckraid says: /dev/md0 is ok, superblock not updated.
so i force ckraid to check the drive, (takes a long time)
ckraid says: /dev/md0 is ok, superblock not updated.
all data is lost (if there where som data, is only test)
has someone a suggestion?
uwe
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From: Dan Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: which distribution package do you recommend?
Date: 17 Jan 1999 23:54:09 GMT
In alt.os.linux M. Wimmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: I collected some general information about linux on the internet,
: but I must admit, that I am a 100% newbie in this field. I would like
: to "learn by doing" about this powerful operating system. Can you
: recommend a distribution package? It should cost less than about 20
: Euros. It should be run off my second, smaller SCSI - HD (Controller
: NCR C810 is supported). It must support my Diamond Stealth 64 DRAM
: graphics card and Panasonic CR 581-M CD-ROM drive. Maybe there is a
: package with a very comfortabel user interface? I am a medium
: experienced USER of Windows 95.
Each distro, usually do not differ on there hardware support, because
hardware support is generally handled by the Linux Kernel
Go to the Linux Hardware Compatibility HOWTO @
http://users.bart.nl/~patrickr/hardware-howto/Hardware-HOWTO.html
The only pieces of hardware which are not dependent on the kernel are
the Video Cards. Which are provided by the X servers. Most distros
use XFree86's but SuSE has some of there own servers for newer card.
These servers however can be used by other distros.
Distribution cost varies. Generally $50 US for a supported version of
Red Hat. Most distribution can be found for $3 or so from other sites
like http://www.cheapbytes.com And most can be installed free through
FTP.
--
Dan Nguyen | There is only one happiness in
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | life, to love and be loved.
http://www.cse.msu.edu/~nguyend7 | -George Sand
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From: "Eugene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: which distribution package do you recommend?
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 18:43:25 -0500
SuSE is arguably the best distro for a newbie -- it's easy to install,
includes nice configuration tools, etc.
I use Debian and it kicks ass. I wouldn't recommend it for a complete newbie
though.
M. Wimmer wrote in message <77tsan$7gd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Hi!
>
>I collected some general information about linux on the internet, but I
must
>admit, that I am a 100% newbie in this field. I would like to "learn by
>doing" about this powerful operating system.
>Can you recommend a distribution package?
>It should cost less than about 20 Euros.
>It should be run off my second, smaller SCSI - HD (Controller NCR C810 is
>supported).
>It must support my Diamond Stealth 64 DRAM graphics card and Panasonic CR
>581-M CD-ROM drive.
>Maybe there is a package with a very comfortabel user interface?
>I am a medium experienced USER of Windows 95.
>
>Best regards and many thanks for your suggestions
>
>Manfred Wimmer
>Remove "no_garbage_mails_" from the adress to reply by eMail.
>
>
>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Netscape time zone setting?
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 17:10:02 GMT
I cannot seem to do anything to get the time stamp in netscape (communicator
4.5) to function correctly.
I have my clock set correctly:
(in /usr/share/zoneinfo/)
localtime -> EST5EDT
posixrules -> localtime
posixtime -> localtime
[root@PPRO zoneinfo]# date
Sun Jan 17 12:10:50 EST 1999
[root@PPRO zoneinfo]# date -u
Sun Jan 17 17:11:01 UTC 1999
I even set the "TZ" variable to each of the following at some point:
EST+05EDT
EST
EST5EDT
Even tried "linuxconf" (shudder, I don;t care for that tool and don't trust
it)
My mail time stampt is still GMT (+0000)
Any thoughts on how to force netscape to use the right time, or setup linux to
tell netscape the time in a more reliable manner?
Thanks,
/Mike
SYSINFO:
Linux PPRO 2.0.36 #1 Tue Oct 13 22:17:11 EDT 1998 i686 unknown
RH 5.2
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeff Grossman)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: FTP Server
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 19:20:25 GMT
Hello,
I must have done something today that killed my FTP server. I cannot
connect to it anymore. I have restarted the Linux box, but it still
does not work. Does anybody have any ideas for me?
Thanks,
Jeff
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Jeff Grossman ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 09:59:08 -0800
From: Robert Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: X programs and backspace?
thompson wrote:
>
> hello -
> okay how do I solve this problem which plagues me where ever I go and
> make it stay that way?
> I have no backspace key in most X programs. most noticably in netscape
> but also in GTK programs too like gimp, etc. I changed my Xmodmap to
> get a backspace key in netscape but it didn't change the gimp. right now
> I am using ^h and it is really annoying. esp. since I seem to have
> really fat fingers.
> so can anyone point me to some docs on the most robust way to fix
> this. e.i. dist. independant solution. I need to know what is going on
> so I can remember how to do it in the future, not just a quick fix.
> thanks a bunch-
> eric
I think one of the best ways I have found is to use "fixkeys":
http://electron.et.tudelft.nl/~jdegoede/fixkeys.html
A nice side benefit is that x-terms have really nice fonts after using
it.
Worked for me.
HTH. Bob L.
--
Robert Lynch-Berkeley CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.best.com/~rmlynch/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Osterlund)
Subject: PIKT, "Problem Informant/Killer Tool," v1.1 released
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 19:15:55 GMT
PIKT, Problem Informant/Killer Tool, version 1.1
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autogeneration; $[0] versions of $0-type vars; pre-
defined macros; greater robustness, security, and
ease of administration; many, many more improvements
PIKT is an innovative new paradigm for administering heterogeneous networked
workstations. PIKT monitors systems, reports problems, and fixes those
problems automatically whenever possible.
PIKT uses an embedded scripting language that sports an especially clean
syntax and introduces unique features to make your programming easier.
PIKT is also a sophisticated control mechanism for managing all of your
administrative scripts. You can, setting aside the PIKT language, even
use it to version control, install, error log, and schedule programs written
in other languages, as well as to employ macros, meta-comments, and C-like
#if and #include directives in Perl, AWK, etc.
PIKT is freeware, distributed under the GNU copyleft, and available now for
Solaris, SunOS, and Linux. For more info, and complete source code,
documentation, and data files (all ~40,000 lines of it), please visit the
PIKT Web site at:
http://pikt.uchicago.edu/pikt
Robert Osterlund [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Graeme Woollett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: SCSI Timouts & Linux 2.0.36
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:55:55 +1300
Recently I upgraded to RH5.2. Before this upgrade the SCSI devices
worked, after however, I keep on getting SCSI timeout errors and SCSI
host resets. When I boot a 2.0.32 kernel from floopy disk everything
works fine. I get the same result whether I use modules or by
specifically compiling support into the kernel.
Does 2.0.36 have problems with SCSI?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ilya Zakharevich)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.lang.perl.misc
Subject: Re: Secuity hole with perl (suidperl) and nosuid mounts on Linux
Date: 18 Jan 1999 00:03:33 GMT
[A complimentary Cc of this posting was sent to Frank Sweetser
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>],
who wrote in article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Somehow I'm lost on this description (I have seen Linux several times,
> > but have no idea how perms in a removable media can work).
> >
> > Did I understand it correct: you chown/set-suid script.pl while it is
> > in your laptop, insert it in a server floppy, and run user-level perl
> > on it and it bombs? How so?
>
> right. you see, on machine machines, there's an entry in /etc/fstab
> allowing any user to mount the local cdrom or floppy drive. by default, the
> user option also implies nosuid, which means that the setuid bit on any
> exe's on that mount will be ignored.
>
> the problem here is with the way that perl handles setuid perl scripts.
> linux, like some other unices, simply ignores the setuid bit on scripts
> outright, due to a race condition in the way they're handled. so, when
> perl is invoked on a script, among other things, it checks for the setuid
> bit. if the bit is present, then the regular perl interpreter re-invokes
> the script under a sepreate setuid perl interpredir (typically named
> suidperl). the script then runs as a regular setuid program.
But my understanding is that this will happens only on very old
systems which do not have secure suid scripts. How did suidperl
appear on a contemporary clone of Unix?
Ilya
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From: allacircle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 19:10:59 -0500
all i want to ask about your message is, Is english your native language? and
if so what sort of grades did you get in English?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Arthur says...
> >
>
> >
> >If you can tolerate it, then obviously you don't have a problem
> >and you have no reason to switch. But don't pretend Windows is a
> >reliable system.
> >
>
> Holy cow !!!
>
> Where did I never pretended that windows is more reliable??????
>
> I never said anything like that.
>
> The ones who do all the pretending are the Unix/Linux people. when they
> pretend that Linux is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
>
> I am saying Windows with all its faults is BETTER for HOME USERS than 100
> unix combined.
>
> home users (the MAJORITY of the people in the world are home users), do
> not care a doodle doo about their PC crashing once a while, and they
> dont care about a system staying up years and years online. They care
> about ease of use, plenty of good applications, and as little hastle as
> possible. non of which Unix is good at.
>
> >
> >Once again, there probably isn't a reason for those people to
> >switch. It's doubtful that many of those people would even follow
> >this NG closely.
> >
>
> People are NOT switching. Home User are NOT switching. some commerical
> companies are. and I have no problem with that. since in commerical
> companies people are paid money to know things and to know how to handle
> the computer. for your informations, at work I use Unix more than windows,
> and have always did. and I prefer to use UNIX any day of the time before
> any other system. it all depends on what hat I am wearing. I am not blinded
> like you by one OS.
>
>
> >
> >And Windows reliability won't improve unless people complain
> >about or switch in significant numbers to other products. I've
> >struggled with MS products since the early 80's (although I did
> >use DR-DOS for a while, which I found to be much better pre Win3.1)
> >and I'm just happy to have MS and it's marketing smokescreen out
> >of my life.
> >
>
> Home user do not need more reliablity. period. they need ease of use.
>
>
> BOB
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