Linux-Misc Digest #726, Volume #18 Fri, 22 Jan 99 18:13:16 EST
Contents:
Re: My partition choice (Duncan Simpson)
Re: searching for fvwm2rc file (Upali Bandara)
Error: "No such file or directory" on FAT paritition (Kevin Linfield)
Re: 2038 and Linux (Niel Markwick)
Swap problems (RH 5.2) (Sivakumar S)
Re: Getting Pine to Use a Different From (William Wueppelmann)
Re: can linux recognize fat32? ("J�rgen Exner")
Netscape Communicator 4.5 (128bit) problem (Patrick O'Neil)
Automake 1.4 (Tom Tromey)
Re: How to read mail/news using Netscape on Redhat 5.2 ???? (Thomas Boggs)
Re: tar problems (Gert Wollny)
Re: Linux keyboard? (For emacs use) (Rick Onanian)
Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march? (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: A Tale of Two Installations ("Graham K. Glover")
Re: Scanner Support - Parallel Port Device (Matt Kressel)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Duncan Simpson)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: My partition choice
Date: 21 Jan 1999 16:08:19 GMT
In <77updk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Floyd Davidson) writes:
>So the largest amount of virtual memory you have ever needed was
>60Mb. Which is very modest and is quite possible if you restrict
>yourself to applications that don't use much memory. Or if you
>don't run more than one of them at a time.
If you want to start using serious memory just take a look at some
combinatronics. I have an example hopefully soon that uses an
$O(n^{3p})$ entry table, with possibly multiple values per entry. Demo
and testing purposes set n=100 and p=2 with a memory estimate of 80Mb
of table (plus more for a heap, a couple of queues and the program
code itself). Serious cases are more like p=5 and n=1,000,000 or more.
(Before anyone asks I will not be relying on VM for this program, it will
have it will have its own code to swap areas to disc).
n=10^6 and p=5 has (10^6)^15=10^90 which might be tad more real memory
than you have, especialy given the p=2 and n=100 estimate. Fortunately
some restrictions, for example a fixed initial data distribution,
could limit the table size quite significantly.
Duncan (-:
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Upali Bandara)
Subject: Re: searching for fvwm2rc file
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:47:29 +0100
Thanks to everybody who replied to my questions about the xinitrc and
the fvwm2rc file.
Samuel
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: linfield@ (Kevin Linfield)
Subject: Error: "No such file or directory" on FAT paritition
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:39:01 GMT
I'm having a weird problem that might be Partition Magic's fault.
My FAT partition (drive D under OS/2) is mounted (type msdos) but some
files don't exist under Linux but do exist under OS/2. For example,
when I try to perform a backup of my "data" directory, I get (cut here)
zip -r 990121.zip /ddrive/data/*
zip warning: name not matched: /ddrive/data/acq/con.exe
zip warning: name not matched: /ddrive/data/old/con.for
(and more...)
So I cd /ddrive/data/acq and do a
ls co*
/bin/ls: con.exe: No such file or directory
/bin/ls: con.for: No such file or directory
(and more...)
This machine was purely OS/2 HPFS a while ago. I used Partition Magic 4.0
to make a Linux swap, Linux native, and a FAT parition (for sharing data)
from two large HPFS partitions. The above listed files exist under OS/2,
but not Slackware 3.4 (kernel 2.0.35).
I have run CHKDSK under OS/2 (no errors) so I am at a loss.
Ideas?
Thanks.
Kevin
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From: Niel Markwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: 2038 and Linux
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:31:58 +0100
mlw wrote:
>
> The problem we have with COBOL programs, actually the WHOLE Y2K
> issue, is that they reference dates as MM/DD/YY not MM/DD/YYYY.
>
This is not a language issue. It was the programmers choice to use YY,
it was not imposed by COBOL...
>
> The 2038 bug is not in application persistent data storage.
>
Only if the programmer CHOSE not to use the ANSI-C time_t value for his
code.
> A simple OS upgrade will fix it.
>
What 'simple' upgrade? Time_t=64 bits... nope sorry, won't work.
Or a new 64 bit bigtime_t type that would result in having to re-code
the application to handle it (nope, search+replace won't work either
because you have to check that nobody coded:
int32 time_val=time(NULL);
and believe me, they do!)
> This is a bunch of fuss over nothing.
>
Just like Y2K was considered 5 years ago.
</rant>
However, if a standard cross-platform solution is provided now, we have
39 years to migrate the code to eliminate the problem (pity, I was
looking forward to asking for ridiculous rates for my Unix/C knowledge
in 35 years time :)
Niel
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From: Sivakumar S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Swap problems (RH 5.2)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:24:53 -0800
Hi all,
I have installed RH5.2 on my K6-2 350 MHz PC. i created a swap space
(/dev/hda5)
as logical partition, did a mkswap on the device and did a 'swapon -a' after
adding an entry in /dev/fstab.
when i run large apps, my mem (64M) gets filled up and my system seems to slow
down, sometimes even hangs (netscape, emacs, ...). when i do a top, the top
lines say
that swap space is not being used. when i do a xosview, the swap bar is idle.
i tried 'swapon -s' which gives an error message '/proc/swaps: not found'.
any help is much appreciated. thanks
siva
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Wueppelmann)
Subject: Re: Getting Pine to Use a Different From
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:59:01 GMT
Quoth [EMAIL PROTECTED] this past Wed, 20 Jan 1999 01:33:03 GMT:
>I'm attempting to get pine to adjust the name I send from. I'm using
>fetchmail to pull messages onto my system, but when I send message it has my
>local address in the from field.
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (this is the address of my personal computer)
Go to the pine configuration screen. There is an option (closer to the end
than the beginning, IIRC) called customized-hdrs or something similar. You
can put in any headers you want there (separate mutliple headers with a
space). So, for example, you might include
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cheers.
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William
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From: "J�rgen Exner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: can linux recognize fat32?
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:18:35 -0800
Mike Werner wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Sam E. Trenholme wrote:
>> Also keep in mind you need a more recent kernel to get fat32 support.
>> Linux 2.0.35 and higher have this support, as vfat.
> ^^^^^^
>2.0.34, actually, is where FAT32 support was added.
FAT32 support is available for as long as FAT32 exists (that is for more
than 2 years now):
RTFM at http://bmrc.berkeley.edu/people/chaffee/fat32.html or search
dejanews.
jue
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From: Patrick O'Neil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Netscape Communicator 4.5 (128bit) problem
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:14:37 -0700
I am running RH 5.2, kernel 2.0.36-1 (all other files are the latest
updates). Hardware: 64 MB SDRAM, Celery 300a, Abit BH6 mobo.
Freshmeat is setup as my homepage. Ever since the change in format of the
page, I have found that Netscape 4.5 will crash ("Bus error" in an xterm
if started from a terminal) at the same point during each page load...just
after the title header and search dialog box appears, just before the body
of the page loads. This occurs about 9 times out of 10. If I keep trying
to load the page again and again, eventually I will succeed.
I have not found any other page that I frequent causes this crash.
This is a recent problem.
I tried "mv .netscape .netscape-save" and then starting netscape again in
an attempt to get around a (perhaps) buggy setup. It didn't work.
Netscape died with a bus error the first time I opened up the settings
notebook, made my changes, and then tried to save it. I hit the "OK"
button and Netscape crashed with a bus error message. I tried again and
it worked the second time...accepting my settings.
Subsequently loading my homepage (http://tx.us.mirrors.freshmeat.net)
crashed Netscape as before. This didn't happen before the freshmeat page
format change.
I am now faced with dumping NS 4.5 128bit. Is there any advantage to
using it versus the 4.08 version of netscape or do I lose nothing by
dumping it for 4.08?
Anyone know why this "Bus error" occurs?
patrick
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From: Tom Tromey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
gnu.announce,gnu.utils.bug,alt.sources.d,gnu.gcc.announce,gnu.g++.announce
Subject: Automake 1.4
Date: 22 Jan 1999 00:18:47 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Automake 1.4 has just been released.
It is available on ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/automake, or you can get it via ftp at
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Automake 1.4 has a number of changes from 1.3. Here is the entry from
the NEWS file:
New in 1.4:
* Added support for the Fortran 77 programming language.
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Automake also has a web page:
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Among other things, the web page explains how to check out automake
via anonymous cvs, and it has a link to the documentation.
Tom
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From: Thomas Boggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to read mail/news using Netscape on Redhat 5.2 ????
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:11:24 -0500
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lucas wrote:
> Hello,
> Can anyone give me a clue on how to setup netscapes preferences so I can
> use mail and news.
> When I try to enter my mailhost I get Mailhost xxx unknown.
> I only have 2 computer network and I gave up setting up sendmail.
> Is it possible to get mail and news without a complicated process.
>
> I'm fairly new to linux and things that I take for granted under NT is
> very complicated to accomplish if not impossible.
>
> Thanks,
>
> lucas
I ran into a similar problem. I think Netscape tries to resolve the mail
server's host name as soon as you enter it. Do you already have
/etc/resolv.conf set up to handle DNS requests? If so, do you have ppp
running while you're entering your mail host info? Make sure ppp is up and
verify that you can ping your mail server before entering the server info in
Netscape.
-thomas
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From: Gert Wollny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: tar problems
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 17:10:21 +0000
joshr wrote:
>
> ok, i am an admitted newbie at this linux thing, that out of the way i have
> a question. i have redhat 5.2 and i would like to install a mp3 player for
> Xwindows. when i go to untar the file nothing happens. it will just sit
> there and stare at me and i have to ^c out to get my prompt back. the
> command line i am using is "tar -x <filename>" this is correct, is it not? i
> looked in all my books on the subject and the closest thing i got to an
> explanation is that "tar is a slow process" ok, but does it take 5-10
> minutes to untar something? i wouldn't think so. any help is greatly
> appreciated.
tar -x <bla> tries to read from /dev/tape
ever tried "man tar"? Should give you all the answers you need.
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From: Rick Onanian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.misc,comp.emacs,comp.editors
Subject: Re: Linux keyboard? (For emacs use)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:00:20 -0500
Shaun Lipscombe wrote:
> > > The reason I am asking is because I find Emacs infinitely easier to use with
> > > a Control key on the home row, and practically unusable for a long time with
> > > Windows 95/PC type keyboards. Of course, that is just my opinion and I
> > > realize others differ. Still, I'd like to hear suggestions.
> > > Thanks in advance.
>
> you know, that you can use keyremap kernel-toy available from
> microsoft.com (as part of the kernel toys set). you can then, go into
> the control panel and set the Caps-Lock key to be Ctrl instead :-)
It's entirely possible that I'm wrong (but not likely), I though that MS Windows
Kernel Toys won't work too well in Linux. Just a thought. I, or someone else here,
could have misunderstood one or another's questions or statements, though. :)
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> >
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march?
Date: 21 Jan 1999 15:19:00 GMT
In article <776psp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
[...]
> yea? just to let you know, I won first place at my school arguing
> compition. out of 50 students, I was the only one left arguning when
> eveyone gave up. so, here you go.
So what? That just means you could talk the hind legs off a donkey,
and not that you are anything other than an ass.
>> Windows comes pre-installed in damn near every computer sold unless the
>> customer requests something else.
>
> yea, sure. first, one of you guys claim that Linux will be popular because
> it is free. now you claim the reason Linux is used becuase Windows is
> pre-installed.
Lose many points for lack of reading comprehension.
> why dont you guys make up your minds which is it??
Are you as thick as a constipated elephant#s turd? Hopefully not, so
you can understand the following explanation.
Most users by their PC from a store. Most stores sell all their PCs
with Windows already on. Most users think switching OSes is a
hassle. Hence, most users use PCs with Windows, but not for any
reason other than because it was always what seemed to be the easiest
option at the time.
Is this a case that demonstrates that there is a difference between
local optimisation and global optimisation?
>> Same goes for apps as goes for the OS. Install linux on every computer sold
>> and OF COURSE people are going to be buying Linux apps.
>
> Nothing prevents anyone from downloading Linux for free and installing
> it. but after many years, still people are not doing this and there are
> today more Window PC than ever!
There are also more Linux PCs than ever too. Your point?
>> Winblows apps can't hold a candle to Linux apps when it comes to quality
>> and stability.
>
> really? this is why eveyone call Netscape on Linux junk while the same
> Netscape product on windows is cool?? is this why Corel wordperfect 8 on
> Linux looks so bad on Linux while same one on NT looks so much better?
Different expectations and the disaster that is Motif explain the
above. Free UNIX from the shackles of Motif!
> I can go on and on. as a matter of fact, applications on Linux are worst
> than those on windows. just mention ONE user oritented application on Linux
> that is better than its counterpart on Windows. just ONE !
Emacs. It is available for both, but it is better on UNIX.
>> And ease of use is relative. As far as I'm concerned, and those I
>> work with, Linux apps are much easier to use than those written for
>> winco's CRASH-O-MATIC.
>
> this is so silly. you and those you work with?? how many will that
> be, 3 people?
>
> there are 300 millions in the US alone who use windows everyday and
> think you blow smoke.
Can't be 300 million 'Dozies in the US. Population isn't that big.
I'm not even sure if that figure is true _worldwide_.
> if Linux applications are so much, and Linux is so much easier and
> better than windows, and it is free, then why is it hardly anyone
> out there in the real world uses it????? (other than the few geeks
> offcourse).
'Cos Linux developers do not bribe MIS types to mandate Linux as the
corporate standard.
>> I'm sorry but you lose,
>> Thanks for playing.
>
> No. You lose big time.
How so?
> thanks for showing us how little you know about computers and software.
Thanks for showing us how little you know about marketing and economics.
> Bob (call me Bill too, it is no problem).
I'll call you Dick instead.
Donal.
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From: "Graham K. Glover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A Tale of Two Installations
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:10:04 -0500
"Graham K. Glover" wrote:
>
> (Oh, and I returned a US Robotics/3Com/Megahertz PCMCIA Winmodem. When
> a bloody modem is OS specific, the manufacturer doesn't get MY money.
> The Viking PCMCIA replacement modem works just fine.)
Uh, the Viking now *isn't* working. grrrrr.....
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I can't be a Masochist; they use Windows.
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,linux.redhat.misc
From: Matt Kressel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Scanner Support - Parallel Port Device
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:05:24 GMT
Alex McCreath wrote:
>
> Hi, my name is Alex. I recently bought a Canon CanoScan FB 620P scanner
> that works like a beaut under....Win95 (yechhh). However, its a parallel
> port device (with a pass through to my printer) and I cannot find a damn
> thing about how to use it with Linux (RH5.2 installed on an old P120
> machine - must be time for an upgrade..groan). What I need is some
> advice on the following:
>
> a. Where I can get a (generic or specific) device driver for my
> parallel port scanner?
>
> b. What must I do to set up a new device driver (I'm a bit of a
> newbie).
>
> c. What free/shareware/commercial scanner applications are 'out
> there'.
>
Look for SANE for Linux and the GIMP. SANE is a generic scanner
driver(s) and GIMP is a photoshop like program which has extensions for
using SANE to aquire an image (like TWAIN, but suppossedly better).
-Matt
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Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites:
ftp.funet.fi pub/Linux
tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux
sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux
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