Linux-Misc Digest #459, Volume #19 Sun, 14 Mar 99 20:13:07 EST
Contents:
Re: If I had the time I know how to make a fortune in unix ("Anthony W. Youngman")
Re: Any GOPHER-Users around? (Juergen Heinzl)
Re: critical hard disk error!? ("Craig")
Re: Microsoft throws in the towel on security (Jon Gerdes)
Re: best offline newsreader? (SpAmEnOt)
Re: Are screen savers necessary? (Jeremy Nickolet)
mount ntfs? (Frank Y. Xie)
Re: Telnet wait & wait & wait &.... (mist)
Re: Printer recommendations, please (Michael Proto)
Re: The Almost Free Linux Project ("Karl Bengtsson")
Re: best offline newsreader? (kel)
partition / CD devices and security (Tim Dean)
error with mkswap and mke2fs ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
SIOCADDRT: Network Unreachable (Kishore)
Re: Star Office Very Slow - WP8 Broken ("Gero H. Marten")
Re: Help me, Linux is dying on me!! (Ed Young)
Re: Mysterious bug ("John E. Garrott")
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From: "Anthony W. Youngman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.shell
Subject: Re: If I had the time I know how to make a fortune in unix
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 23:47:56 +0000
Reply-To: "Anthony W. Youngman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ralf Draeger
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>Matthew Kirkcaldie wrote:
>>
>> D. Vrabel wrote:
>>
>> >> [*] I'm referring to an American "billion" here. That's
>> >> a "milliard" to you out there 'cross the pond who
>> >> prefer to think of a "billion" as a "million million".
>> >You're a bit out of date. A billion in the UK is a thousand million.
>>
>> Then you've adopted the US meaning, because it certainly was originally a
>> million million in UK parlance.
>>
>> MK.
>
>Just to give ken a credit a billion is a million million in germany and
>yes, sometimes it is a little bit confusing :-)
>Having the same words with different meanings in other languages makes
>it even harder to learn and i know I have to learn english sometime ...
How do you think the English feel when the Americans think they talk our
language. They've even pinched our name for it, and have the cheek to
call our version BRITISH English!
The native BRITONS speak GAELIC! (The anglo-saxons are late arrivals :-)
--
Anthony W. Youngman - wol at thewolery dot demon dot co dot uk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl)
Subject: Re: Any GOPHER-Users around?
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:16:38 GMT
In article <7cgpbm$q05$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Geoff Short wrote:
>Ralph Baumfalk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>: Hi all,
>: is someone still using the old but nice Gopher-system?
>
>Nope, I had a play with it a while back though. Very nice and simple
>protocol, but needs a lot more admin than a web site. Bought back some
>memories but it's obvious why it is fading away.
Nope nope ... yes, I do use it although via a WWW interface on a server
back in good old Germany. Much easier to find something than via yahoo and
all that but true, it is probably doomed. Try to find an ISP that offers
UUCP nowadays; much faster ... no go.
Fading away like I do too ... the best things in life are bound to be phased
out finally.
Juergen
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From: "Craig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: critical hard disk error!?
Date: 14 Mar 1999 15:42:27 PST
I am trying to use FDISK now, but can't get it to start. I've done a
"format c:" and installed win98. Then boot to MS-DOS (came with win98) and
try to run FDISK. It asks me if I want to enable large disk support, I say
yes and then it hangs forever.
BTW, in win98 explorer it shows my disk as being 1.63GB when it is actually
4GB.
Craig
> Can I ask why you use Partition Magic?
>DOS format/fdisk and Linux fdisk/disk druid are
>more then enough to set up a dual-boot config.
> I would eliminate PM3.0 and stick with
>what you need, fewer things to complicate the
>issue.
> Just wipe your drive clean again. Boot
>to DOS and set up your partition for Win95 and
>install. Then install Red Hat and use Disk Druid
>to create the appropriate partitions for Linux.
> This should all work just fine and with
>out the aid of Partition Magic... which just
>seems to be complicating the issue.
>
>j.
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From: Jon Gerdes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: microsoft.public.windowsnt.misc
Subject: Re: Microsoft throws in the towel on security
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 23:22:56 +0000
Of course you could actually do the upgrade for them using the c$ share
and a fairly impressive set of batch files. This assumes that you put
an Admin account on the clients that the user has no access to. Or
perhaps SMS has something in it.
Incidently you need admin rights just to set up a printer driver - what
a security model (!)
Hmmm NT in a comp.os.linux.misc - yuk yuk yuk.
**Nick Brown wrote:
> In other words, MS more or less admits that everyone has to run their NT
> workstation as administrator to get any work done ! We already know
> this - we have to make our Domain Users be local Admins so that they can
> install a patch to (gasp) Office. But MS tries to have its cake and eat
> it too - "NT workstation gives you the ability to reduce TCO by
> eliminating support calls caused by the user screwing up the O/S", but
> then you have to give them all privs to do anything non-trivial.
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From: SpAmEnOt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: best offline newsreader?
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:41:23 +0000
Reply-To: SpAmEnOt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Sat, 13 Mar 1999, david grant wrote:
> Judging by the response to this topic, the Linux world seems divided
> between those who are used to working with well-established Unix
> applications and those of us who are used to graphics based Windows
> applications with an easy-to-use GUI interface.
And then there is me... I'm not yet of the former and so have not the
experiance to make it easy. And I abhor the later.
Why is it that nobody is willing to say easy-to-use without saying GUI in
the same sentence??? I definately don't find them to be the same thing.
> Surely we are not asking too much for easy-to-use (cool?) X-window
> interfaces to Unix newsreaders or other widely used applications such
> as email clients or fax programs?
And surely I'm not asking for to much for easy to use TEXT (console)
interfaces for all the good stuff... at least as an option.
There is absolutly no reason that an aplication should have to graphicaly
draw a pictoral representation of text data to make it easy to use.
I would love to see the kind of offline processing agent employs coupled
with pine as a reader (wth vim implicitly invoked as alternate editer.)
which I'd then run in a console. THAT would be a (cool!) application.
| --- ___
| <0> <-> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
| ^ J(tWdy)P
| ~\___/~ <<jtwdyp AT ttlc DOT net>>
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From: Jeremy Nickolet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Are screen savers necessary?
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 00:09:12 GMT
Screen savers are entirely ornamental these days, there is no real need for them as
modern monitors are not prone to images being burnt onto the tube.
Jeremy
Marc D. Bumble wrote:
> Someone at work mentioned that monitor screen phosphors have been
> re-designed so that screen savers are no longer necessary. Is this
> true? For instance, If I run xdm 24 hrs per day, will the login
> screen get burned into the tubes? Or is this now impossible? I was
> attempting to avoid this senario by running a screen saver over top of
> xdm, so that the savers activate if no one has logged in for a while.
>
> Are screen savers purely entertainment these days? Im so disheartened
> just thinking about it. Has my lovely screen saver been reduced to
> nothing more than a frivilous computer chachka?
>
> --
>
> /++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++/
>
> Marc Bumble Computer Science and Engineering
> University Internet address: http://trantor.cse.psu.edu/~bumble/
> University Office Address: Computer Science and Engineering
> Pennsylvania State University
> University Park, PA 16802
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank Y. Xie)
Subject: mount ntfs?
Date: 14 Mar 1999 23:52:21 GMT
Hi there,
While I mounted win95 partition in Linux 2.*, but I could
not mount NTFS partition (winNT4) by using file system type of msdos,
mmsdos, or vfat. Could somebody please give some hint?
Thanks.
Frank
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From: mist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Telnet wait & wait & wait &....
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 00:04:42 +0000
Reply-To: mist <new$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Al Roeder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scribed to us that -
>Ok, when I telnet to my Linux box from my Wintendo 95 machine, it claims
>it connects, but then waits for about 3 or 4 minutes. The tcpd.conf man
>page claims that this is because of RFC 931 lookups, which are
>compile-time arguements.
>
Check your /etc/hosts and make sure both the linux and windoze machines
are listed in there. EG
192.168.1.1 linuxbox.your.net linuxbox
192.168.1.2 windozebox.your.net windozebox
--
Mist.
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From: Michael Proto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Printer recommendations, please
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:50:07 +0000
Ed Finch wrote:
>
> Greetings!
>
> A few years ago I purchased an HP 820Cse printer for my wife. At the
> time I didn't realize what "for Windows" meant :(
>
> So, I'm in the market for a printer that works with Linux. My need is
> mostly fast black and white (for printing source code). Color would be
> a nice bonus. I went to Staples tonight and liked the HP 722 color
> deskjet. Whaddyathink?
I'm using an HP DeskJet 694C and it works great in Linux.
--
-] Michael Proto [-
-] MCP: Win95 [-
-] Happy Linux user since 1997 [-
ERROR: REALITY.SYS Corrupted! Reboot universe? (Y/n)
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From: "Karl Bengtsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Almost Free Linux Project
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:42:31 GMT
<snip>
> >Or even better, I just checked one of my AOL signup CD's. They use
about
> >12M
> >of space on the one I looked at. You can fit a lot of LINUX on the
rest.
>
> And how might u go about doing that since u can only burn data onto a
> cd once? If AOL used it then u can't do anything with it...its alrady
> been finalized when AOL manufactured it so other data can be burnt
> into it.
Maybe he meant to contact AOL and ask them to burn it for him? You know,
buy a Linux CD and get AOL with it for free?
Whether the CD can be written to or not has nothing to do with it, I don't
think the guy needs CDs, he needs someone to burn them for him. What would
you do with a bunch of AOL CDs, even if you could write to them? You'd
still need someone to write on them for you.
/Karl
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (kel)
Subject: Re: best offline newsreader?
Date: 14 Mar 1999 18:51:09 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 6 Mar 1999 03:26:21 -0800, "Richard Latimer"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Richard Steiner wrote in message ...
>
>>Most of the Windows users I know who use Usenet's technical
>>newsgroups tend to use text when posting. Is that not the same
>>for you?
>
>
>When I was reading messages in a Microsoft newsgroup about
>Office 2000 beta, about 1/4 to 1/3 of the messages were html
>with stationary and pics in the signatures.
>
>One day I was moving thru a thread about broken sound support
>in MS Outlook when a voice came out of my computer, "What's
>the problem!" I like it.
I, and many others, don't.
I wholeheartedly agree with your excoriation of the Unix community for
its blatant propellorhead elitism by expecting everyone to spend days
studying countless FAQ;s and docs just to install and use a text
editor, But I would also not like the Linux platform to be overwhelmed
by the idiocy rampant on the Windoze platform.
Like HTML in newsroup postings. Utterly useless. And rude to those
with traditional readers. But the worst idiocy is those stupid .vcf
files and the horridly useless graphics. Those posters get killfiled
immediately. News servers are already horribly overloaded, and the
more garbage not containing useful information, the faster the
expiration times and size limitiations of normally text-only groups.
This is not an increase in technology. It is useless, superficial,
fluff. All that crap is an especial annoyance since I frequently like
to download entire newsgroups to read them offline. A real annoyance
cleaning up the junk afterwards, though I do have .vcf's deleted
automatically at bootup.
And about sound. Do you have ANY idea what its like to accidentally
land on the web page of some stupid narcissistic self-promoting fool
at 3am who insists on playing some lame recording of his through your
speakers? And a pissed off wife who cant get back to sleep because of
it? One reason I have a hardware OFF switch for my speakers.
Although my personal favorite newsreader is still tin, I would like to
see a Unix version of Agent.
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From: Tim Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: partition / CD devices and security
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:55:43 +1300
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi all,
I have a problem that I cant seem to find any information on. I have
several devices on my computer, including two dos partitions that i
mount as /fat-c/ and /fat-d/, and a floppy drive and a cdrom drive. I am
networked, but all the users seem to access to all the devices, which is
undesirable.
I have read up on groups, chmod etc in the howto's and some online books
i have read but nothing i have tried has worked. I want to restrict
access to these devices to certain groups of users, this should be easy
i know...but most of these documents fall just short of this, being
happy to settle for security on a directory level.
anyway i have set up the groups in /etc/group , but i cant seem to
change the permissions so that only members of the group can use/mount
them. when i try CHMOD on the mountpoint, nothing happens, when i try it
on the /dev/BLAH entry, that doesnt seem to work either.
Could someone please give me a step-by-step on what i need to do????
Perhaps i am doing the right things, but out of order?? any help (except
"read the HOWTO) appreciated...
-Tim
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: error with mkswap and mke2fs
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 00:48:22 GMT
Hello everyone:
I am setting up my new 6.4 GB hard drive. I need to run mkswap and mke2fs
after using Linux fdisk.
I have created my boot and root disk. I can fdisk the drive, but I can
not get mksap and mke2fs to work.
I am running Win98 and want to get Linux running. My problem is that when boot
up with Linux from my floppy disk and I use mkswap and mke2fs I
get the error message
useage: mkswap [-c] /dev/name size
I am typing in
mkswap -c /dev/hda3 265072
mke2fs -c /dev/hda4 2739082
and receive the errors
useage: mkswap [-c] /dev/name size
useage: mke2fs [-c] /dev/name size
What is the problem? I do not understand why the mkswap and mke2fs
commands are not working.
With fdisk (from Slackware 1.3 Linux) my partition is set up as:
Device Boot Begin Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/hda1 * 1 1 261 2096451 6 DOS 16-bit >= 32M
/dev/hda2 262 262 414 1228972 5 Extened
/dev/hda3 415 415 447 265072 82 Linux swap
/dev/hda4 448 448 788 2739082 83 Linux native
/dev/hda5 262 262 351 722893 6 DOS 16-bit >= 32M
/dev/hda6 352 352 414 506016 6 DOS 16-bit >= 32M
Partitions
hda1, hda5, and hda6 are for Windows 98
hda3 and hda4 are for Linux
hda5 and hda6 are an extended DOS partition, (drive E and F)
Thank you in advance
HJS
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From: Kishore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: SIOCADDRT: Network Unreachable
Date: 15 Mar 1999 00:31:43 GMT
Hi ,
I can ping the gateway but not the whole network.
How is this possible?
When i TRY TO ACCESS any web site there is no entry for that URL.
Please help me out.
WHen I try to ping(even the DNS which I have given ) it says
SIOCADDRT: Network Unreachable.
Thanks for the help
-kishore
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From: "Gero H. Marten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Star Office Very Slow - WP8 Broken
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:26:18 +0100
Alistair Hamilton wrote:
>
> Hello, folks.
>
> I have two problems that just might be connected.
>
> Star Office 5.0 is VERY slow. It can take up to 15 seconds just to
> re-paint its display after moving the mouse into its window page. All
> of its functions are too lethargic for sensible use.
>
> Corel WP8 does not run at all. All I get is the less-than-helpful
> error message "Segmentation fault". No joke, that is the extent of the
> error message. Not all that helpful!
>
> I have a K6-233 with 64Mbytes RAM running Red Hat 5.2 and kernel
> 2.2.1. I use AfterStep, so the HW should not be under strain. If I
> boot 2.0.36, the behaviour is identical.
>
> One oddity: if I do a 'ps a' when Star Office is running, no processes
> relating to SO are listed.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Alistair.
This looks like a severe hardware problem, but have you tried another
window manager, e.g. fvwm2 ?
In a German newsgroup we have a discussion going about the 2.2.1 kernel.
Most people say, 2.2.0 and its patch was released much to early.
--
Gero H. Marten
<http://www.provi.de/gmarten/index.html>
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From: Ed Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help me, Linux is dying on me!!
Date: 14 Mar 1999 18:57:29 GMT
Karl Bengtsson wrote:
>
> I'm using Redhat 5.0, don't know the kernel version, but I haven't
> recompiled it or anything, so I guess it's the standard RH 5.0 one...
>
> I've tried to mount the partition I want to access (D:) when it was FAT32
> and it didn't work. Is it possible to download some kind of filesystem
> specification so Linux can read it?
>
> The only boot-disk I have is the one I used to install Redhat (created by
> running rawrite and joliet.img). However, I can only get to the boot:
> prompt using that, and then I don't know what to do.
>
> I think it may be possible that the locations of the partitions on the disk
> changed. The reason is that I also had about 40 megs of unused space on the
> disk, so in order to utilize that, I moved my primary windows partition
> (C:) and then expanded D: a little (after changing cluster size w/
> Partition it).
>
> I'm going to keep trying to fix this but if there is absolutely NO way of
> doing it, I might as well reformat the linux drive and install again... the
> only thing on it were Netscape and TKDesk so far, I had no important data.
>
> Karl
You can pick up kernel upgrades for RedHat 5.0 from any one of the redhat mirror
sites. I think that 2.0.36-3 is available for RH5.0. This kernel will
definitely read FAT32. I used it for months before going to 2.2.1. Make sure
you read the upgrading instructions carefully before attempting a kernel
upgrade, for instance you want to do "rpm -ivh" NOT "rpm -Uvh". It's easy and
painless if you are careful.
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From: "John E. Garrott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mysterious bug
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:10:33 -0800
Gamma Rat wrote:
>
> Greetings.
>
> I have a C program that I compiled with GCC under Slackware Linux with
> version 5 of the C library. When I try to run it, it says
>
> "maze: Can't open display:"
>
> But when I run it in the debugger (gdb), it runs and exits normally.
>
> When I run it under Redhat 5.2, it works!
>
> I have noticed this same problem with one other program I compiled
> on Slackware, but no other programs I compiled on this same system
> exhibited this problem.
>
> Any ideas as to what's wrong? Any fixes? Any workarounds?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ken.
>
> --
> The penguins are not what they seem ...
>
> These are my opinions. Others will believe what they wish to believe.
> It's not my job to re-educate the net. Demands for citations will be ignored.
> (And isn't it ironic how people demand air-tight proofs only for views that
> don't agree with theirs?)
>
> My REAL email address is ksinner
> at ticon
> dot net
>
> --
> The penguins are not what they seem ...
>
> These are my opinions. Others will believe what they wish to believe.
> It's not my job to re-educate the net. Demands for citations will be ignored.
> (And isn't it ironic how people demand air-tight proofs only for views that
> don't agree with theirs?)
>
> My REAL email address is ksinner
> at ticon
> dot net
In my experience, this type of problems is usually caused by either
writing
past the end of a string or by referencing a 'freed' pointer.
I've had programs that worked under the debugger, but not otherwise.
The
above was always the cause. If it works under RedHat, the compiler is
probably putting the variables in a different order, so nothing
important
gets overwritten.
Check that a) all strings are of proper length.
b) all pointers are initialized to NULL. (Won't stop
mistakes, but limits them to one kind.:)
c) If any space is allocated, then freed, null the pointer
immediately. see previous comment:)
Hope this helps,
John
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