Linux-Misc Digest #478, Volume #19 Tue, 16 Mar 99 10:13:12 EST
Contents:
Re: What is a Gui (was: More bad news for NT) (Niel Markwick)
Re: More bad news for NT (Raymond Doetjes)
KDE 1.1 and Debian 2.1 (and no religion) (**Nick Brown)
Re: thkb: How to make an .mp3 from an .wav? (Jarkko Karhunen)
Re: remote control (Raymond Doetjes)
Re: unresolved __bzero (cannot load shared library) while using insmod (Charles
Mulks)
SCSI 2 Tape drive problems... (Robert Heller)
Re: old proprietary cd-rom recognised as scsi? (REPOST) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Error - irq timeout: status=0xd0 ("Warren Hillsdon")
Re: changing colors for xterm/nxterm. . . ("T.E.Dickey")
Re: Migrating RH Linux 5.2 to new hard drive ("Kike")
Sybase ODBC driver for Windows (Raymond Doetjes)
Re: unresolved __bzero (cannot load shared library) while using insmod (Daniel R.
Grayson)
Re: binary not found by bash ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Is there a FREE S.U.S.E distrubution ?? (Pat Palermo)
Upgrade RPM in Redhat Linux ("Toolman")
Re: About mount ?? (bklimas)
Re: Star Office Very Slow - WP8 Broken (Iain A F Fleming)
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From: Niel Markwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What is a Gui (was: More bad news for NT)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:44:16 +0100
Harry wrote:
> Mickael Ostensson wrote:
> > Explorer is not the gui...
>
> I'm not getting into an argument into what constitutes a GUI
Well, the 'what is the GUI' discussion is crucial to a statment that having
a GUI loaded at all times wastes resources...
To further this discussion, consider have the following 'layers':
1) Bare system - memory / file / process / network/ system device
management
Unix: kernal+system processes
WinNT: kernal+services
2) System services - disk server, database server
Unix: more system process, Database server processes
WinNT: kernal, more system services, Database server
3) Graphical services - handles graphics cards, device-independant
graphics drawing, event handling, basic window mapping...
Unix: X-Windows server and X11 services
WinNT: GDI (part of kernal) and WinNT Graphics Services
4) User friendly front end - window management, icon management,
file manager, 'start' menus
Unix: Window manager/Desktop environment (eg KDE/CDE)
WinNT: Explorer
This could be expanded into further layers, and could be further complicated
by comparisons between MFC and Gtk/Qt/Motif++; Xt/Motif and WinNT's User
Interface Services; X11 and WinNT's Graphics services... but for the puposes
of this dicussion, the above will do.
What is being asserted is that in Unix, you only need the first two layers
to get a working server, while in NT, the GDI is unavoidable loaded, adding
its memory overhead to the amount of memory required for the server, and
it's event loop to the CPU load... This effectively means less memory for
disk caching and other server processes (eg DB server)
As has also been mentioned in another branch (or should that be 'strand') of
this thread, WinNT's GDI is part of the kernal, while the X server in unix
is just another user-level process. Crash the GDI and while NT dies, Unix
will be happily displaying a Login: prompt on the console while still
performing its server role.
<asbestos underpants on>
Further comments welcome...
Niel.
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From: Raymond Doetjes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:07:04 +0100
The problem is, that NT doesn't have multi-user capabilities (Standard
that is), so you can't start mannaging the system while some-one else is
manageing on the console.
Besides before all those graphics are downloaded you are about 10 minutes
fearther. Andc it isn't true that you can manage the complete system from
the command prompt. In some cases you need to use those freaking GUI's.
Besides with NT4 the GUI is running in ring 0 of the kernel, this is why
the explorer tends to lock-up the server with in-appropriate use.
M$ should have let the GUI on top of the system so that evrone can choose
their own gui or work solely on command prompt. This is what is done with
all "SMART" ssystems Like OS/390, VMS, VM. OS2 and Unix.
If you can't manage the system solely on prompt level than the OS is badly
developed. You can't connect a terminal to NT and control the complete
system from there. You can't just telnet to the NT server and manage the
system that way. Even with those small telnetd that give you access to the
dos-prompt it is impossible to change DNS settings IP addresses, create
users, give rights to files and create share etc etc etc. Though there are
comming more tools for it.
Raymond
Harry wrote:
> Arthur Corliss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > The UI interface *is* having an impact on the system,
> > primarily in wasted memory, even more so, since much of
> > *can't* be paged outm
>
> The user interface, be it Explorer or whichever UI you choose,
> isn't loaded when no-on is logged on. Given that just about e
> every NT administrative tool, inlcuding User Manager, Server ,
> Manager, WINS Manager, DNS Manager, DHCP Manager, SQL Server's
> Enterprise Manager, the Registry Editor, and Performance v
> Monitor, all allow remote adminstration, even via a dial-up '
> connection, you can easily log on to a machine that isn't being
> used interactively and check which processes are running. bExplorer w
> Explorer won't be one. That's the UI. So it won't be using its
> 4.5 MB of memory.
>
> What NT doesn't have is a remote console.i
>
> If you want to criticise NT, first learn about it.b
>
> Harryu
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system, written for a 4 bit processor by a 2 bit company which can
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From: **Nick Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: KDE 1.1 and Debian 2.1 (and no religion)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:31:56 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OK, I'll start a new topic, in a better mood than yesterday !
- Debian 2.1, KDE 1.1 (19990207 builds from www.kde.org), qtlib 1.42
from unstable. Looks good.
However, when I remove kde from .xsession and start it interactively
from xterm, I notice a whole load of messages. Here are the first few:
kpanel: waiting for windowmanager
red libraries [should this be 'read' ? :-) ]
/usr/X11R6/lib/libkfile.so.2: undefined symbol: __pure_virtual
Could not find media master.
Could not find media master.
add top window
add top window
add top window
add top window
KBackground::KBackground
KScreenSaver::KScreenSaver
KFonts::KFonts
KGeneral::KGeneral
Could not find media master.
Could not read '/tmp/kfm-cache-0/index.txt'
The ones of immediate interest are "__pure_virtual" and "Could not find
media master". Any KDE gurus out there ?
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From: Jarkko Karhunen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: thkb: How to make an .mp3 from an .wav?
Date: 16 Mar 1999 12:21:25 GMT
Mircea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
->Use a mp3 encoder.
Such as Encode or l3.
JK
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From: Raymond Doetjes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: remote control
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:27:34 +0100
Why don't you take over the X-server. X is multiuser. If you configure it right
you can see evrything happening what someone else does.
Raymond
"Frank G. Liu" wrote:
> Hi all,
> I am looking for a Linux utility which can remote control
> another user's login session, similiar to Symantec PC Anywhere.
>
> On QNX (www.qnx.com), there is such a utility called "ditto", which allows
> you to grab the text virtual console of the system. For instance,
> if a user is working on the system console (say, virtual console 2)
> for something and need help, I (administrator) can telnet into the
> system and then run "ditto -t2" to realtime grab and share the system virtual
> console (terminal) 2 with the user who is physically on the console.
> I can then watch the user type the command to see what is wrong.
> If I do "ditto -t2 -k", I can enable keyboard so that I can even type
> command for the user and show him ...
> "ditto" is real helpful for help desk, though it only works
> for the text console. I can't ditto to another user's telnet session,
> but I can ask him to ditto to a free text console from his telnet
> session and I also ditto to the same text console, we can then share
> the same keyboard and screen.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Frank
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=====================================================================
Windows is a 32 bit patch to a 16 bit GUI based on a 8 bit operating
system, written for a 4 bit processor by a 2 bit company which can
not stand 1 bit of competition.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles Mulks)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development,linux.dev.kernel,linux.redhat,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: unresolved __bzero (cannot load shared library) while using insmod
Date: 16 Mar 1999 13:38:02 GMT
In article <7cl2h1$ch8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>Hello,
>
>I have a problem running insmod or depmod. I keep getting the error:
>
> unresolved symbol (__bzero): cannot load shared library.
>
>People tell me it is a glibc version problem. Is that correct. Did someone
>experience this before. My system is a mandrake 5.3 upgraded to 2.2.1. I
>installed all necessary packages before.
>
>Kind regards,
>
>Marc teutelink (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])
>
>
>
It's a problem with (at least one version of) the modutils-2.1.121-3.i386.rpm
Apparently it was built using some weird configuration parameters
track down a newer release (try ftp.redhat.com)
or (what I did)
get a copy of the source - modutils-2.1.121-3.src.rpm, (I got it at
rufus.w3.org), put it in /usr/src/redhat/SRPMS
type rpm --rebuild modutils-2.1.121-3.src.rpm
when it's done you should find a working rpm in /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386
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Subject: SCSI 2 Tape drive problems...
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Heller)
Date: 16 Mar 1999 09:20:25 -0500
We have this Dell server box running RedHat Linux (5.2, kernel 2.0.36).
It has an Adaptec AIC-7880 Ultra SCSI host adapter and an ARCHIVE Model:
Python 04106-XXX Rev: 715G tape drive.
We are having trouble with the tape drive, both with BRU2000 and with
plain tar. With tar it writes for a while, then the drive seems to go
south -- lights blink and it cannot be rewound or ejected from software.
With BRU, it took nearly 36 *hours* to save 2gig's worth of data, and
then BRU barfed when it tried to do its autoscan/verify (could not read
the archive).
We ejected the first tape manually, ran the cleaning tape, and tried
another *brand* new tape. The first tape was also brand new -- the
first tape ever to be put in the drive.
Does anyone else have this model of tape drive (it is a 12/24gig 4mm
drive)? Does anyone know if this is a software (eg driver compatibility
issue) or hardware (DOA tape drive)? This machine is brand new
(delivered from Dell just before Feb 1st of this year) and is still on
warranty. I want to be sure it is hardware before we call Dell.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: old proprietary cd-rom recognised as scsi? (REPOST)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Date: 16 Mar 1999 14:26:09 +0100
In comp.os.linux.hardware [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi, i just compiled the 2.2.1 kernel and noticed that it seemed to recognize
> my old proprietary cd rom (which i previously had to use via dos cause i
> couldn't get linux to recognize it). but "seemed" is the key word here, this
> is what it told me upon bootup:
> Kernel detected SCSI CDROM drive /dev/, checking for a disc:
> mount: /dev/ is not a block device
What kind of cd-rom is that? some creative labs thing? an old Sony
maybe?
> now in NT the driver for this drive is a scsi driver so i guess it makes
> sense for linux to see it as a scsi device but as you can see it detects a
> cdrom at /dev/ not /dev/cdrom (or /dev/anything for htat matter)
NT sees everything as a SCSI device, even IDE hard disks...
Could you be more precise about the cd-rom model? Linux supports several old
proprietary drives, maybe yours is one of them.
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Alain Borel
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From: "Warren Hillsdon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Error - irq timeout: status=0xd0
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:27:22 +1100
Thanks for the response. Actually the Seagate is an IDE drive. Dont have any
SCSI in there at the moment.
It could be overheating though. Didn't think of that. I was basically on the
idea that it was spinning down due to powersaving mode. I thought it
couldn't be overheating as it was just doing it all the time.. Even on the
cold days.
Warren
Igor Zlatkovic wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Hmmmmmm looks like it is the second drive in your box and like it is
coneccted
>to the SCSI controller.
>
>I had a similar situation and have figured out that my Seagate Barracuda
(SCSI)
>spins down when it is overheating. It seems to detect the overheat and
turns
>the motor off. Any access attempt to the drive turns the motor on again.
>
>I never lost any data from that drive, but it was annoying. An extra cooler
for
>the drive fixed the problem.
>
>Igor
>
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From: "T.E.Dickey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: changing colors for xterm/nxterm. . .
Date: 16 Mar 1999 13:34:18 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Norvell Spearman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How can I change the resources for xterm and/or nxterm so that their
> colors match the default Linux console colors? When I try rxvt, the
The XFree86 3.3.3 xterm supports ANSI color and VT220 emulation
There's an faq at
http://www.clark.net/pub/dickey/xterm/xterm.faq.html
ftp://ftp.clark.net/pub/dickey/xterm
> colors seem to come out right, but I've been getting core dumps when I
> try to run `mc.' Also, if I run
> nxterm -tn xterm-pcolor
there's no color in that description other than the name. see my ncurses
faq for more information about terminfo and color
The current version of ncurses is 4.2
There's an faq at
http://www.clark.net/pub/dickey/ncurses/ncurses.faq.html
> I get correct mouse functionality, but the colors are far from what I'd
> like. Thanks much.
--
Thomas E. Dickey
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http://www.clark.net/pub/dickey
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From: "Kike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.questions,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Migrating RH Linux 5.2 to new hard drive
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:35:17 +0200
Greg Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:%FdH2.60$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>Hey fellow Linux users! I'm going to be moving my current RedHat 5.2 Linux
>server to a new hard drive. Everything in the system is going to be the
>same, just a new /sda drive. I'm just curious if anyone has a procedure to
>do this of if it is documented anywhere. I thought I would do a cp -a *
(or
>a few with correct tmp mount points), then boot from a floppy with the new
>HD as root and run LILO, but I'm fuzzy on how to set up the /proc and /dev
>filesystem.... and if there are going to be any issues with the swap
>space... Thanks everyone! Any help would be very appreciated!
>
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>
>Greg Waugh ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>Manager of Systems Operations
>Productivity OnLine
>
>
I would use Ghost for this kind of job. This program will clone the old HD
into the new one in about 5 minutes. It even resizes automatically the
partitions in the case the new HD is bigger than the old one. A real jewel!
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From: Raymond Doetjes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Sybase ODBC driver for Windows
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:59:21 +0100
I have been looking for a ODBC driver for Windows for the Sybase ASE. I
have Sybase running on my Linux box now and it is pretty good.
Unfortunatly there are still Windows stations that need to get access to
the data so ODBC is something I really need. Otherwise I can start
running MySQL again instead of Sybase.
Raymond
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=====================================================================
Windows is a 32 bit patch to a 16 bit GUI based on a 8 bit operating
system, written for a 4 bit processor by a 2 bit company which can
not stand 1 bit of competition.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Daniel R. Grayson)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,linux.dev.kernel,linux.redhat,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: unresolved __bzero (cannot load shared library) while using insmod
Date: 16 Mar 1999 07:59:32 -0600
"Marc Teutelink" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hello,
>
> I have a problem running insmod or depmod. I keep getting the error:
>
> unresolved symbol (__bzero): cannot load shared library.
>
> People tell me it is a glibc version problem. Is that correct. Did someone
> experience this before. My system is a mandrake 5.3 upgraded to 2.2.1. I
> installed all necessary packages before.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Marc teutelink (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])
This happens when running an executable that was linked against glibc-2.1 on
a system where libc.so.6 comes from glibc-2.0. Fix by recompiling insmod and
depmod.
geometry% nm -o -g /usr2.0/lib/libc.so.6 /usr2.1/lib/libc.so.6 |grep bzero
/usr2.0/lib/libc.so.6:000423b0 T bzero
/usr2.1/lib/libc.so.6:0005cca0 T __bzero
/usr2.1/lib/libc.so.6:0005cca0 W bzero
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: binary not found by bash
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:06:25 GMT
Milos Prudek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> even though python binary is there, with correct rights.
> Does it mean that the binary lacks some libraries? If so, can I find
> which ones?
ldd ./python
will list the dynamic dependencies plus where they were found (or not
found)
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From: Pat Palermo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is there a FREE S.U.S.E distrubution ??
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:01:09 +0000
David Kirkpatrick wrote:
> Hi,
> I've been looking around the net trying to find a free Suse
> distribution. A few places have ?? lots of files but non say You found
> it - here is the tar/gz go for it.
> The doc I see is about loading from a floppy you can get off the net but
> it then refers to completing the install with a CD. There is no place
> at metalab.unc or cc.gatech.edu that again says the distribution is in
> ... files and its a version of Sues is .... and available you setup for
> install this way etc ... that is other than the install I mentioned from
> CD.
> ??
> d
>
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Try www.linuxcentral.com
you can get suse 6.0 gpl for $1.00
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:49:32 -0500
From: "Toolman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Upgrade RPM in Redhat Linux
How do you go about upgrading from one release of RPM to another? I visited
RPM's ftp site and downloaded 2.5.5.tar.gz to my root directory. I then
extracted the files into a directory (rpm2.5.5) and I now want to install or
upgrade RPM. This is where I'm lost. I can't use the current RPM to
upgrade to the new one, right?
Please help as I am a novice with Linux.
Thanks.
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From: bklimas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: About mount ??
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:12:04 GMT
"ASHUTOSH SHARMA(97D07026)" wrote:
> HI
> HOw can i mount a 32 bit WIN95/WINNT type filesystem in linux.
> mount -t vfat doesn't work.
>
> - Ashutosh
Maybe you don't mount properly? What's you mounting command?
See my homepage:
http://www.magma.ca/~bklimas/FAQ.htm#access_CDROM
http://www.magma.ca/~bklimas/FAQ.htm#mount_floppy_zipdrive
for help on mounting.
Hope this helps. Best regards,
Stan
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From: Iain A F Fleming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Star Office Very Slow - WP8 Broken
Date: 16 Mar 1999 14:07:38 +0000
The entity calling itself Alistair Hamilton wrote:
>
> Corel WP8 does not run at all. All I get is the less-than-helpful
> error message "Segmentation fault". No joke, that is the extent of the
> error message. Not all that helpful!
I had this problem. The solution was to check that the $LD_LIBRARY_PATH
variable contained only valid directories -- mine had crap in it becuase I
share config files with Solaris on my Suns.
Unset $LD_LIBRARY_PATH and try xwp again. If it runs, that's your problem.
--
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Spider Software Ltd Leith Scotland +44.131.475.7045
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