Linux-Misc Digest #578, Volume #19 Tue, 23 Mar 99 15:13:10 EST
Contents:
Re: Xfree86 ("Hugh")
Re: KDE vs GNOME and what about Enlightenment? (David Frye)
Re: AppleTalk/Netatalk ("Aaron Dershem")
Re: identd and user nobody (Pat Conroy)
Re: Auto login ? ("Jose M. Urena")
XFree86-3.3.3 + CTX monitor? (ishwar rattan)
Re: Linuxconf and segfault (sohn jung-woo)
Re: MS IE (UNIX) on Linux? (brian moore)
Re: Public license question (Richard E. Hawkins Esq.)
Re: No-Win Modem Situation (brian moore)
Re: Internet Phone for Linux? ("Michael Schmeing")
Re: IDE Cache Controller TEKRAM DC-680T (VL-Bus) (Allen Santora)
-- A LITTEL HELP FOR MILLONS OF WOMEN -- ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
[Announce] Grace-5.0.2 (beta) released (Evgeny Stambulchik)
Kernel Compile Fatal Error (Michael S. Wells)
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Subject: Re: Xfree86
From: "Hugh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 23 Mar 99 09:53:46 CST
Go to the Redhat site and download the appropriate RPMs to update XFree86.
I did the same thing when I installed the files that I downloaded from the
XFree86 site. All I had was a couple windows and nothing else. Give this a
try.
Hugh
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Ben van Tricht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in article
<7d4kk6$rsv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> Hi,
>
> I recently installed RH 5.2, and found out Xwindows didn;t work with my
> SiS6326 AGP card. So I went to www.x86free.org and found out that version
> 3.3.3 did support my card. So I downloaded all the necessary files and
> installed them. Now Xwin works fine with my card, but I can't do a thing
> with it. I only get 3 windows with the Linuxprompt. All the menus seem to
> have disappeared. Anybody know why?
>
>
> Ben van Tricht...
>
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> http://www.searchlinux.com
>
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From: David Frye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE vs GNOME and what about Enlightenment?
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:17:00 GMT
Oliver D. Bedford wrote:
> I think that�s a misunderstanding what a productive desktop should do.
> Of course it�s
> not going to write your report, but it�s aim is to intergrate different
> applications
> (wordprocessors, spreadsheets, drawing & presentation programs from
> different vendors/programmers) consistently so you can
> work more easily and efficiently with them.
>
Actually, I think that you misunderstood my post. What I was attempting
to get across was the fact that way too much hype was being spent on
the Window Managers, and not enough energy being spent on applications
that are actually needed. Linux needs applications, not another Window
Manager. It is extremely difficult to work with applications that do not
exist, or are in the very very early stages of development (which is
where
most of the productivity applications are for Linux).
I understand that both Gnome and KDE have underlying features like
corba,
etc. that will "eventually" enhance/improve applications that have yet
to
be written for use on Linux. But today, Gnome, KDE, Window Maker, Ice,
FVWM2,
FVWM95, XFCE, OLVWM, etc. actually do nothing for the average Joe who
needs to
produce that report for the boss, whether it is a spreadsheet or a word
processing
document. All that the Window Manager does is provide an interface
between the
application and the user, and the applications don't exist.
Status: We have Users, We have Interface. We have databases. We have
Apache.
We have one of the best OS's going in this day and age. We have NO
applications
(of the windows sense for the average Joe) that are polished enough to
stand
up against the Windows World and be practical for every day usage.
> Personally I haven�t felt the need for such an integration (xemacs (*)
> is all the integration
> _I_ need) and StarOffice, on the other hand, tries to be a complete
> desktop itself (do everything in one place).
>
> Oliver
>
> (*) Sorry for using netscape at the moment ;-)
Now, with that being said:
Emacs is what I currently use to process my documents. I use enriched
text
and/or LaTex (depending on the circumstances) for my word processing,
Dismal
for my spreadsheets, and bbdb for my address book. Using Forms I have
been
able to create a few small databases for inventory purposes, but need to
find
something better. The calendar/diary programs make for a wonderful
appointment
book. I have even occasionally used emacs to browse the web, read mail
and
newsgroups (never could get used to GNUS).
On the other hand, my daughters (all three of them) use StarOffice for
all of
their word processing (emacs isn't quite in their vocabulary). I use it
when
compatability with MS Word 95/97 is required (other systems/people have
problems
with none Microsoft formats - they just don't know what to do/how to
handle them).
You like xemacs, I like emacs. Both are fine for our purposes. But, for
the
average Joe/Sally/secretary/etc. "applications" of the type used in the
windows world are what is required for Linux to be anything more than a
small
niche OS. Another "hyped" Window Manager is not going to fix it, and
StarOffice
isn't what I would call a "quality" application.
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From: "Aaron Dershem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: AppleTalk/Netatalk
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 10:01:37 -0600
I have a slightly different AppleTalk problem...
I set up netatalk just fine (with a ton of help from another source :-) and
I can share files. But I can't PRINT! Can anyone help me out here? I
downloaded the drivers from epson and loaded them on the Mac. Then I go to
the Chooser on the Mac. The icon for the SC 600 is on the left side, but
when I select it, nothing appears on the right side. Is this a problem with
the Mac or the Linux server? I have Samba running and can print from
Windows, so I know its not the printer...
Thanks,
Aaron Dershem.
Rod Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7d5k1v$267$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [Posted and mailed]
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (rufus) writes:
> > hi. having a little bit of trouble with my netatalk setup. I can't seem
to
> > login as a user via AppleTalk. It recognizes the user name, and
apparently
> > the password because it give me the "password incorrect" message when I
> > enter the wrong password, BUT when I enter the correct password, all I
get
> > is nothing for a few minutes, then I get "service has unexpectantly
closed
> > connection" (or something to that effect). The option to login as a
guest
> > isn't available.
>
> I had the same problem with the first netatalk RPM I tried on my Red Hat
> 5.2 system. A different RPM fixed the problem. rpm -q netatalk reports
> that I've now got netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.2-2. I think I got this from the
> Red Hat contrib directory, but I'm not positive of that.
>
> --
> Rod Smith
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.channel1.com/users/rodsmith
> NOTE: Remove the "uce" word from my address to mail me
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From: Pat Conroy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: identd and user nobody
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:49:16 -0600
I've also seen this. It seems to happen when I send mail from Netcsape
Communicator 4.51 to our SMTP server. I'm running the Caldera 1.3
distribution(2.0.36 kernel). The send operation seems to take a long time, then
when it finishes, in.identd is hogging CPU cycles (>90%). As a workaround you
can "killall -HUP in.identd". That seems to restore some temporary sanity. I
haven't been able to track it down more than that for now. Anybody have any
bright ideas?
Pat
On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, John
Nelson wrote: >Newbie question...
>
>Just what is the process "in.identd" and
why would it be running for user
>"nobody", and consuming 98% of CPU
resources?
>
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From: "Jose M. Urena" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Auto login ?
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:01:01 -0500
I am not an expert, but security is there because of the millions upon
millions of people for more than 20 years before you who honestly found
out that it was an important way to prevent you and your machine from
being compromised
UnKnown wrote:
> If you're the only one who use your computer, then what's the use of
> login-security?
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:00:06 EST
From: ishwar rattan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: XFree86-3.3.3 + CTX monitor?
If you are using a CTX-17" color monitor (VL700) under X windows, what
are the horizontal and vertical synch values set to?
Thanks in advance.
- ishwar
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From: sohn jung-woo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linuxconf and segfault
Date: 23 Mar 1999 17:31:52 GMT
Andy Piper wrote:
>
> No solution as yet, no. Someone suggested that it might be a
> case of e.g. Python (I think) having been upgraded and
> causing the failure, but I'm not sure.
>
> It's a real problem as it causes problems every time I
> reboot. The simple solution is to avoid rebooting the box
> too often, but that's not always practical.
>
> I've read of several people having issues with Linuxconf on
> RedHat now, I'm amazed nothing has been done to resolve the
> problems.
Hmm. Really amazing. :) Anyway I'd like to solve the problem but
I don't have enough programming or debugging skill.
All I found is that when I run linuxconf with gdb:
gdb) run
Starting program: /bin/linuxconf
Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x80becdd in BUTTONS_INFO::set ()
I tried to compile linuxconf src package, but I don't know
where I can find gd*.h stuffs. --; That's all I can
do. Please somebody help me out there~~~
>
> Andy
Thank you for your kind reply anyway. ^^
>
> --
> Andy Piper [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Fareham, Hampshire
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: MS IE (UNIX) on Linux?
Date: 23 Mar 1999 17:06:27 GMT
On Tue, 23 Mar 1999 18:02:36 +0100,
Morten Liebach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've just seen that you can get Internet Explorer 5.0 for UNIX (HP & Solaris
> as I recall), and I thought that it might be able to run under Linux.
> Has anyone tried, or does anyone have any idea if it would work?
Considering that neither of the above versions of IE runs on x86, the
only people that could make it run on Linux would be Microsoft.
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard E. Hawkins Esq.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Public license question
Date: 23 Mar 1999 11:48:43 -0600
In article <7d7tlf$3gg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Lynn Winebarger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <7d6133$f4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Richard E. Hawkins Esq. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>I'd been practicing for three or four years before I was truly
>>convinced of the fool for a client business (generally attributed
>>to Lincolnd). And the way it usually happens is (paraphrasing Twain)
>>that it's not what he doesn't know that's a problem, it's what he
>>knows that's just plain wrong . . .
> I would have thought it would have been the result of being to close
>to the situation to make a rational evaluation, rather than just not
>doing one's homework. (The former criticism I can certainly see as
>holding validity universally, the latter I don't know about).
It's both, although the former tends to be worse than the latter.
However, the latter is often the case when attorneys represent themselves
(generally a bad idea, too).
We used to refer to the "My Girlfriend's Divorce Shool of Law," the
phenomenon in which a client (usually a woman in a domestic matter; i
can't explain why) tries to explain the law and what she's entitled
to (inevitably being thoroughly incorrect) to her attorney, using
what she (thinks she) knows from what happened to someone else. This
is frequently an early warning sign that you're dealing with a "client from
hell."
rick, esq.
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: No-Win Modem Situation
Date: 23 Mar 1999 17:14:22 GMT
On Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:56:08 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> access.att.net>,
> Hugh Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Wow, thanks for the responses, guys - and in email too. I guess I
> > touched a nerve with this question.
>
> Right! The Win Modems are coming in force. I think it's high time someone
> hacked one. I am afraid, in a coup[le of years, plain old hardware modems will
> disapear altogether... :( What will linux do?
Real modems won't disappear.
As for what Linux will do: think ADSL or cable modems.
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: "Michael Schmeing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Internet Phone for Linux?
Date: 22 Mar 1999 19:10:07 +0100
"Tim Mavers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Does anyone know of any Internet Phone applications that are available for
> Linux?
> [...]
> I found something called SpeakFreely (www.speakfreely.org), but it looks
> like it is only for Win32.
The version 6.1 is available for Unix as well, see
http://www.fourmilab.ch/speakfree/unix/
CU,
Michael
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From: Allen Santora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: IDE Cache Controller TEKRAM DC-680T (VL-Bus)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:02:32 -0800
biv wrote:
>
> I welcome All!
>
> I, have IDE Cache Controller TEKRAM DC-680T (VL-Bus), but I can not find the
> driver under Linux.
> On www.tekram.com, I anything under Linux have not found, is only under SCO
> Unix, Novel Netware, Windows 95/NT.
> Maintenance of function of caching under DOS, in this controller, are written
> down in BIOS, but I think, that in Linux, without the driver, function of
> caching will not work.
> Help me to connect this controller under Linux.
I have a Tekram 680 (the ISA one... not the VL)... and Linux can see the
controller
without any kernel mods... are you talking about an enhanced driver that
allows faster
disk access? I always thought these controllers implemented caching
through their
hardware (that is why you can install SIMMs on them) - and all of the
setup functions were through an on-board BIOS (I am making an assumption
here that the VL is the same as
the ISA -- at least the manual makes this out to be true)).
In answer to your question, I am not aware of any driver(s), though I am
interested
in the topic...
Allen Santora
Web\Workflow\IVR
GMU
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Evgeny Stambulchik)
Crossposted-To: gnu.announce
Subject: [Announce] Grace-5.0.2 (beta) released
Date: 23 Mar 1999 14:00:39 GMT
GRACE - GRaphing, Advanced Computation and Exploration of data
Grace is a WYSIWYG 2D plotting tool for X Window System and Motif (LessTif).
Grace runs on practically any version of Unix. As well, it has been
successfully ported to VMS, OS/2 and Win9*/NT (some functionality may be
missing, though).
Grace is a descendant of and replacement for ACE/gr, also known
as Xmgr. Grace is distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public
License (GPL).
For more information on Grace, see the official Grace home page
at http://plasma-gate.weizmann.ac.il/Grace/
Regards,
Evgeny
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael S. Wells)
Subject: Kernel Compile Fatal Error
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 19:58:18 GMT
I am trying to compile a new kernel. My current one is 2.0.36 from Mandrake
5.3 distribution. The new kernel source I am trying to compile is 2.2.3.
I get the following errors at the end of the make bzImage sequence:
checksum.c:200: redefinition of 'csum_partial_copy'
checksum.c:105:'csum_partial_copy' previously defined here
{standard input}: Assembler Messages:
{standard input}:188:Fatal Error: Symbol csum_partial_copy Already defined
[Checksum.o] Error 1
Leaving directory /usr/src/linux2.0.36/arch/i386/lib
[First Rule] Error 2
Leaving directory /usr/src/linux2.0.36/arch/i386/lib
What seems to be the problem, and how do I fix it ???
I have tried other kernels with the same result, and have even tried
re-installing the whole distribution again.
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