Linux-Misc Digest #578, Volume #24 Wed, 24 May 00 03:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Corel linux boot to console not gui. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Device file ownership (Sandhitsu R Das)
Re: Printing: Lpr can't connect to Lpd (Stearns25)
Re: Motif release to Open Source Community leads to Open Motif ("Jeffrey B. Siegal")
Financial Accounting System??? (otrcomm**NO_SPAM**@wildapache.net)
Re: Should apps be installed as root? ("David E. Fox")
linux system (abdul-malik garnes)
Re: TCP/IP programming (Sagar A)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? (s@-)
Re: Linux emulator ("Steven J. Hathaway")
Apache setup... Please help ... ("FY")
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (Dowe Keller)
Re: Xterm with transparent background ? (Dowe Keller)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (Dowe Keller)
msie 5 for unix on linux (h8te)
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? ("Peter T. Breuer")
What are SMTP commands ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Corel linux boot to console not gui.
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 05:00:37 GMT
did any body know how to install corel linux to boot to GUI. When ever
i install corel linux, it boot to console every time. i try to
reinstall the corel linux, same problem appear.
Can somebody help me PLEASSSSSSSSE, thanks.
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From: Sandhitsu R Das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Device file ownership
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 01:11:14 -0400
I have RH 6.0 running on Athlon 650. The audio devices (/dev/audio* ,
/dev/mixer* /dev/midi* etc.) as well as the CDROM device (/dev/hdc) are
all owned by a particular user for some reason. and the permissions are
600! As a result, other users cannot use the CD to play songs, for
example, or cannot use the sound mixer. I changed things by hand and made
a "chown root" and "chmod 644", but it's turned back again to the same
user account! I have never seen a strange thing like this.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stearns25)
Subject: Re: Printing: Lpr can't connect to Lpd
Date: 24 May 2000 05:23:18 GMT
great. Thanks for the suggestion. The one queue that I did not clear and
recreate turned out to be the culprit. As soon as I get that out of the way
with Printtool, lpr started to work.
Now I have to figure out how to print International Language (Chinese and
Japanese).
Thanks everyone who replied to my posting.
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From: "Jeffrey B. Siegal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Motif release to Open Source Community leads to Open Motif
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 22:26:06 -0700
Jay Maynard wrote:
> On Mon, 22 May 2000 13:41:29 +0100, phil hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >Is AIX being ported to new platforms? No.
>
> W#rong. Monterey is based on AIX.
I would be willing to place a friendly wager that version two of
Monterey never ships. Version one may (probably will) ship in order to
save face and satisfy outstanding commitments, but no one will care.
The platform will be quietly abandoned.
As someone else said, the momentum is behind Linux, and like most
winning products in the computer industry, Linux is cheap and good
enough.
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From: otrcomm**NO_SPAM**@wildapache.net
Subject: Financial Accounting System???
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 05:43:59 GMT
Hello,
Does anyone know if there is a fairly robust financial accounting system
available that will run on Linux?
Ideally it would be Opensource and use MySQL!
Thanks,
Murrah Boswell
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From: "David E. Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Should apps be installed as root?
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 22:10:31 -0800
In article <8fif9u$fmt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chad Lemmen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I'm using Corel Linux on my desktop and I've just downloaded Realplayer.
> Should I install it as root and put it in /usr/local/Realplayer or
> install it logged in as a normal user in which case it would have to be
In this case, you'll want to install it as root.
Most installations need not so much as be installed as root as they need
write permission to the directories that they install in. For instance,
most stuff (i.e., stuff you get not on your distro CD) is uaually going to
be installed in /usr/local (or sometimes /opt or /usr) and the program(s)
you use to do the install need write access to those directories (and
file-level access if they have to change files therein). It is
traditionally not a good idea to give everyone write access to system
directories like /usr, so you have to become root in order to bypass those
permissions. And of course, normally you don't want to run as root, but as
a regular user.
There is another approach too -- create a bin directory inside your own
account. If you have ample space in your /home directory you can use it
as a staging area to play with programs, compile them, check them out for
a while before you decide to commit to their installation.
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From: abdul-malik garnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: linux system
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 05:30:48 GMT
what lexmark printer is compatible with linux os
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From: Sagar A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: TCP/IP programming
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 05:30:47 GMT
Dear David,
Sorry! but I am a beginer and have no clue what you are talking
about.Could you please clarify
Sagar,
David Efflandt wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 23 May 2000 10:30:05 GMT, Sagar A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >Dear All,
> >
> >I have a device with digital output.Now I need to transfer this data on
a
> >TCP/IP network using a microprocessor with ethernet interface.How do I
go
> >about it ?
>
> Type the following in your console or terminal:
>
> perldoc perlipc
>
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: 24 May 2000 05:40:13 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Jim Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: The problem with ./configure;make;make install is that it has no
: dependency checking for upgrades and removals. I can't check what program
Eh? Some of us do make file lists for the software we install, you know!
I have no problems with dependencies.
(check out man find .. -cnewer, and mkpkg).
Peter
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From: s@-
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: 23 May 2000 21:55:32 -0700
In article <8gfhoj$3dt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Peter says...
>
>In comp.os.linux.misc John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: How much sooner might those bugs have been fixed given a decent bug
>: tracking system?
>
>None for the interesting bugs. Report an interesting bug,
report? report?? How ?? That is the whole point of a bug tracking
system you moron, it is to HELP people know how to report bugs.
Not only that, there should be a defined way of what information
to report to help the developer. The bug tracking system
can ask for the correct information that might help the developer,
instead of sending email saying 'hello, kernel just hanged, why??'
>Boring bugs indeed will be forgotten.
The will be forgetten becuase there is no bug tracking system.
and no bug is boring. a bug is a bug. and how is to judge a
bug is 'boring' ?
>
>: I'm running 2.3.99 on dual PIII's with an Adaptec 7896 and having trouble
>: with sound: sending anything to /dev/dsp hangs the SCSI driver. If there
>
>I believe that's known.
If there is a bug tracking system you do not have to guess. A user
can simply check, and find out right away.
>I've seen several threads go past on the scsi
>problem in 2.3.99 and above. Doug's working on it. Ask him!
who is Doug?? why would I care as user who is working on what? I simply
found a problem in Linux and I want to report it.
>
>EH? Why don't you mail the maintainer? That's debian practice too!
>
A bug tracking system will automatically do that for you. send automated
email to the developer(s) working on that part of the kernel.
>
>As you know, you might get Alan's interest on that one too. But 2.3.99
>has hundreds of bugs like that
Where is the list? without an official bug tracking system, this is
a very sloppy way of developing software.
> so it's not high priority yet. Make sure at least Doug knows about it.
Doug who?
/s
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Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 21:48:46 -0700
From: "Steven J. Hathaway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux emulator
Javier,
I don't know about Linux running on top other operating systems...
There is a historical set of free software tools that emulates the look and
feel of many
of the POSIX/UNIX user commands for DOS and other operating systems. This
software
is known as the LBL (Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory) Tools. This developement
set
is probably no longer available.
Sincerely,
Steven J. Hathaway
Javier Intriago wrote:
> There is a way to run Linux on Windows 98?, like VMware and win4lin does to
> run Windows on Linux.
>
> I have to do work on Windows 98 but I would like to run Linux at the same
> time.
>
> Regards,
>
> J.I.
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From: "FY" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Apache setup... Please help ...
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 06:16:46 GMT
Hi all,
I have just install Redhat 6.2 and want to run Apache server. I have tried
modifying the configuration using linuxconf but somehow I still get the
following message in the browser. I didn't not modify the access.conf file
as it was not advised according to the faq included.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Forbidden
You don't have permission to access / on this server.
Apache/1.3.12 Server at www.uet.umw.com.my Port 80
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Also checked the error log from apache and this is the log
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
[Wed May 24 12:42:47 2000] [error] [client 205.239.142.108] client denied by
server configuration: /home/httpd/html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I am using the nobody user and group to run the httpd daemon and have
changed the owner and group of files so that it can be accessed by nobody. I
am out of ideas.
Please help. Thank you very much.
Cheers,
FY
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dowe Keller)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: 23 May 2000 22:29:55 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Do people really have trouble with ./configure, make, make install?
>> It has _never_ been a problem for me. Maybe I am just lucky. Even
>> though I changed my compiler, libc, and libtools.
>
>That precise process usually works out fine. However, a number of
>these processes require manual modification of the Makefile or a
>custom configuration file. I've also encountered several configure
>scripts that break, and when that happens, you're doomed to rewriting
>the Makefile by hand. And there are still a few programs that just
>provide you with a grab-bag of Makefiles, and you get to pick which
>one you want. Those are *always* disasters, but usually the Makefiles
>are at least short enough that fixing them isn't impossible.
Yow, you make it sound like brain surgery. I can count the number of
times that I had to hack Makefiles to get a program to make on the
fingers of one hand. And multiple make files are a good thing if you
have to do special stuff to get a program to compile on a particular
system. I'd rather there be three makefiles named:
Makefile.AIX
Makefile.Linux
Makefile.BSD
Than to have to edit a single Makefile to work.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dowe Keller)
Subject: Re: Xterm with transparent background ?
Date: 23 May 2000 22:59:32 -0700
On Wed, 24 May 2000 03:43:01 -0400, Max Heijndijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hello there,
>
>How do I run an xterm with transparent background ?
>
>Thanks, M@X.
You dont. However, you could run eterm, or aterm with a transparent
background. I like aterm myself, both work fine, but eterm can be a
bit of a memory hog.
You should be able to find both of these programs at freshmeat.net
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dowe Keller)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: 23 May 2000 23:32:37 -0700
On 23 May 2000 00:16:15 -0500, Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Webmin is often handier to control a single item, but a browser
>is only a so-so interface. It would be nice if there were
>a real X GUI that could be used locally with the browser
>interface optional for when you are working remotely from
>a non-X platform.
I find vi to be an excellent configuration tool that works with a wide
range of config files :-}
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From: h8te <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: msie 5 for unix on linux
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 06:30:05 GMT
i know there is msie 5 for unix, but does any one know if i can use it in
linux , i dont think im the only one who has found msie 5 for unix on the
microsoft site, am i? well any way if you know send mail to
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: 24 May 2000 06:37:18 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc s@- wrote:
: In article <8gfhoj$3dt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Peter says...
:>In comp.os.linux.misc John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>: How much sooner might those bugs have been fixed given a decent bug
:>: tracking system?
:>None for the interesting bugs. Report an interesting bug,
: report? report?? How ?? That is the whole point of a bug tracking
: system you moron, it is to HELP people know how to report bugs.
Tut tut. Who are you?
If you can't read the README in the kernel directory, or the BUG-HUNTING
document in the Document subdirectory, you're ot up to reading the www
page. And then there is the MAINTAINERS file.
Now please go read the instructions ...
: Not only that, there should be a defined way of what information
: to report to help the developer. The bug tracking system
Oh, there is, there is.
: can ask for the correct information that might help the developer,
: instead of sending email saying 'hello, kernel just hanged, why??'
They will be shot.
:>Boring bugs indeed will be forgotten.
: The will be forgetten becuase there is no bug tracking system.
No, they'll be forgotten because they're boring. Nobody's being paid to
fix your boring bugs. You do it.
: and no bug is boring. a bug is a bug. and how is to judge a
: bug is 'boring' ?
I have no trouble. Believe me. Busy developers have even less trouble.
:>: with sound: sending anything to /dev/dsp hangs the SCSI driver. If there
:>I believe that's known.
: If there is a bug tracking system you do not have to guess. A user
: can simply check, and find out right away.
I'm not guessing. And no, they can't find out. Apparantly you're an
idiot .. because you don't understand that a bug is not readily
identifiable from a bug report. (I just checked debians list for
a longstanding ifconfig/kernel bug that we have been working on with
L-K, and its not clear if it has been identified previously or not - I
think not, but the reports aren't clear enough to tell).
If I really want to be sure I'll ask the author implicated.
:>I've seen several threads go past on the scsi
:>problem in 2.3.99 and above. Doug's working on it. Ask him!
: who is Doug?? why would I care as user who is working on what? I simply
: found a problem in Linux and I want to report it.
Doug's the author and maintainer for the scsi driver you mentioned.
Look at the source. There's his name and address. Look at the
MAINTAINERS list, read linux-kernel ...
:>EH? Why don't you mail the maintainer? That's debian practice too!
: A bug tracking system will automatically do that for you. send automated
: email to the developer(s) working on that part of the kernel.
There's no need to. You can mail him directly. Cc the general kernel
list or the more specific linux-scsi list.
:>As you know, you might get Alan's interest on that one too. But 2.3.99
:>has hundreds of bugs like that
: Where is the list? without an official bug tracking system, this is
: a very sloppy way of developing software.
The list of things that WORK would be smaller! The big flap for the
last 3 months has bee trying to get the memory balancing working enough
to let people run dd. A slight exaggeration, but that's the gist.
:> so it's not high priority yet. Make sure at least Doug knows about it.
: Doug who?
I'm sorry, my post was not addressed to you, as you can see from your
quotes. I addressed John, who is a debian maintainer, and who
knows who Doug is. Even if he didn't (which is very unlikely), he'd
be able to find out, because he can read the MAINTAINERS file and the
attributions in the source even if he couldn't avail himself of debians
own bugtrack system which points back to the upstream maintainer.
Are you honestly blind and deaf to the unending traffic on the kernel
lists? I've received about a hundred mails in the last three hours.
Possibly. What you are saying is that if you don't look, you don't see,
AND that ordinary users don't know how to look, so they don't see. Your
solution is an advertising gimmick - face it. It's a publicity stunt.
Nobody would actually mind having a bugtrack system. It just wouldn't
work. Communication via the lists and email is much faster and more
effective. THere are very few people capable of detecting a kernel
bug, and new bugs in stable releases are well below the communication
saturation rate for the kerel developers forums. Say three a week.
So the bottleneck that a bugtrack system seeks to resolve or impose
just isn't relevant.
If you think you have a bug, report it to the appropriate lists or to
the maintainer. Most drivers have their own mail lists and web pages,
but generic areas of the kernel also have their own lists (such as
linux-mm and linux-fs and linux-scsi and ...). There's a linux system
newsgroup nextdoor too! Linus reads that.
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: What are SMTP commands
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 06:34:07 GMT
Hi everybody,
Please tell me about SMTP commands .
Thanks for any help.
Ha Le
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