Linux-Misc Digest #630, Volume #19 Sun, 28 Mar 99 08:13:10 EST
Contents:
Blender and Black Icons ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: **Trouble with "make" (Danny Van Elsen)
New Land Speed record (emacs compile) (Chris Mauritz)
Re: Using make menuconfig (xcitor)
Re: fortune and a.out ! (Shimpei Yamashita)
Using Linux instead of NT Server in home environment.... (Stuart Summerville)
Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the Linux-equivalents
for these Windoze programs? (Michael Powe)
Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the Linux-equivalents
for these Windoze programs? (Michael Powe)
Re: using telnet instead of login for terminals (Michael Powe)
Intranet platform jpub - new version (Martin Farrent)
Re: Help on PPP dial-up (Bill Unruh)
Re: Linux and Netscape 4.51 (tar/gz format) ("Gero H. Marten")
Newbie's question (Yacov Wolfowicz)
xosview won't compile ?? (Len Cuff)
Re: computer name (stupid q)? ("ne...")
Re: Using Linux instead of NT Server in home environment.... (Rod Roark)
Re: computer name (stupid q)? (Rod Roark)
Re: Where can I download Linux as one compressed file? ("Alex Johnson")
fbcon (jik-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Blender and Black Icons
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 08:58:01 GMT
Hi,
Blender runs stable, but all Buttons are Black, so i can't see her function!
Any Ideas?
My Konfiguration:
Blender 1.58
MESA 3.0
Slackware
LibC6 + PGCC
Gnome+Enlightenment
Asus TNT 16MB (I using 1280x1024 at 32bit Colors)
Celeron 300 A
p.s: Sorry for my bad English.
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From: Danny Van Elsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,linux.help,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: **Trouble with "make"
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 13:26:10 +0200
you can download the source for X at : ftp://ftp.xfree86.org/pub/XFree86/
(they probably are on your cd too, however they may not be installed)
greetings, Danny.
Daniel Gagnon wrote:
> i'm having a lot of problems with making some projects to run under X. make
> says i need "Xlib.h" and "xmp.h".....where can i get these??? i thought i
> installed all the libraries that came with Red Hat, but make still can't
> find these libs.....
> i tried "find"ing them, but no success either.....
>
> thanks in advance...
>
> Dan
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From: Chris Mauritz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: New Land Speed record (emacs compile)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 09:09:26 GMT
Just for fun, I downloaded emacs-20.3 from prep.ai.mit.edu and did
a compile on a new system I bought for the office. I did the standard
./configure at the top level of the directory and then:
time make -j MAKE="make -j"
and got:
91.910u 3.700s 0:57.23 167.0% 0+0k 0+0io 65523pf+246w
Yes, Virginia, 57 seconds. It looks like it could go even faster,
but it was waiting on disk IO (it's just a single 7200rpm cuda
system). It seems like only yesterday that one would fire up
an Emacs compile on a Vax 780 and then head off for lunch while
it chugged away. 8-)
Details of box:
Compaq Proliant 1850R (3 rack units high)
Dual PII-450mhz
192mb ECC RAM
integrated 10/100 NIC (linux friendly)
dual integraded Symbios fast/wide/ultra controllers
3 hot swappable bays populated by a pair of 4.3gig 7200rpm drives
(one is a backup that gets a "dd'ed" with the contents of the first
on a scheduled basis)
dual hot-swappable power supplies
24X EIDE CD-ROM
Seems like a real winner in terms of hardware grunt in a small amount of
rack space. The system is very linux friendly and is currently running
Redhat 5.2 with the 2.2.4 kernel. Someone has also written a driver for
Compaq's hardware RAID controllers so this might be a boon for folks that
need real servers in a datacenter environment, but can't fess up to
putting linux on them. As they come with no OS pre-installed you can
order them as NT boxen and then have at it. 8-) I also like the fact
that you can stuff about 15 of them in a standard 7ft rack.
(They also run Solaris 2.6 and 7 out of the box)
C
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Christopher Mauritz
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (xcitor)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Using make menuconfig
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 05:48:15 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:06:30 GMT,
Christian D Freet wrote
from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>I have read about reconfiguring the kernel, and I wish to do so. BUT, I can't
figure out how
>to use the "make xconfig" or "make menuconfig" commands... when used, I get a
message saying
>"no rule defined [etc.]"
Make sure you cd to /usr/src/linux first - make is complaining because
there is no Makefile in your cwd.
--
The world is coming to an end! Repent and return those library books!
5:32am up 1 day, 7:59, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
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From: Shimpei Yamashita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: fortune and a.out !
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 20:59:31 +0000
Mitchell Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>Can someone tell me how to run my progs in SuSE 6.0 "a.out" is not
>recognised. ("cc" or "gcc" compiles)
Try specifying the path, e.g.
./a.out
rather than
a.out
>How do I invoke the fortune cookies to start at log-in ? (where are the
>fortune cookies? !(/usr/bin/fortune)
If it's installed at all, it's probably /usr/games/fortune. Add it to
~/.login if you are using tcsh, or ~/.bash_profile if you are using
bash.
--
Shimpei Yamashita <http://www.submm.caltech.edu/%7Eshimpei/>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stuart Summerville)
Crossposted-To:
microsoft.public.windowsnt.misc,microsoft.public.windowsnt.setup,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,micorosft.public.outlook
Subject: Using Linux instead of NT Server in home environment....
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 12:03:22 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi,
With the need for home networks that have the server side need for
file storage/security, poermanent internet connections, flexible email
configurations, and other user required services, I'm looking at
setting up a Linux box at the server end. I want to know what
experiences you've had in achieving this, particularly when the
application and server software base has been windas.
Most people I know setup their standalone pc at home, beef it up with
inet, backup, printing, scanning, email, & other accessories all in
the one box. This is normally all standalone gear - ie. not specific
to NT server. When upgrading to several pcs in the house, using
client/server tools makes sense & NT Server (& other required apps)
does this adequately. For me, NT is not the way to go, as I would be
wanting to do all of the above from one (2 at most) boxes, for minimal
cost. I see Linux as the way to go, on both counts.
My biggest concern is the up/cross-grade path that one has to take in
doing so. Hosting of email clients, provision of inet access, & file
serving are all relatively cool (ie. Linux ain't missing out on too
much compared to NT). What about fax servers, groupware tools (ie.
sharing contacts, to-do lists, calendards, etc...), client/server
virus suites & other server-type services that might not be as
seamless in with a Linux box?
Even file access ain't all that straight forward when served from a
non-windas box. The differences in the way windas and Unix deal with
file permissions can cause problems with some windas apps (ok some DOS
ones, but they do work with NT server).
In the past, when working from NT servers, many of the things that
Exchange & NTS offer were taken for granted. Those environments that
relied on Unix for such services usually were quite minimal in these
areas, performance aside of course.
As mentioned above, I'm also looking to Unix to avoid cost. Given that
Linux comes bundled with most essential services out of the box is a
great start. Having to then go out & buy Exchange Server, on top of NT
Server would be a nightmare, & thats not including hardware
requirements.
What are your experiences when taking this approach? Does one have to
sacrifice many windas niceties in order to take advantage of Linux? &
please, no barking about how well Linux handles these services - I
know - I just want to know how well it compares to NT on the
usability/feature-wise scale.
Thanks for your thoughts,
Stu.
==============================================
Stuart Summerville
Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the
Linux-equivalents for these Windoze programs?
Date: 28 Mar 1999 01:21:29 -0800
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>>>>> "Harry" == Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> rpm -Uvh <
Harry> In Windows 95/98/NT/2000 the command is "Setup". That
Harry> brings up the Wizard. I think that's part of the difference
Harry> that the Linux hacks have become blind to. The fact is that
Harry> a technically brilliant piece of software can be a pain to
Harry> use, while a technically ordinary one can be a godsend to
Harry> users.
Tell that to the thousands of users who every day endure "This program
has performed an illegal operation and will be shutdown" when running
these "godsent" programs. Use of wizards means you're tied to them by
the balls. They don't work -- you don't get your program.
mp
- --
Michael Powe Portland, Oregon USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
"Three hours a day will produce as much as a man ought to write."
-- Anthony Trollope
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the
Linux-equivalents for these Windoze programs?
Date: 28 Mar 1999 01:41:12 -0800
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>>>>> "Richard" == Richard Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Richard> Quite frankly, I really don't comprehend why Linux (or
Richard> the command line in general) seems to be so "hard to use"
Richard> for some people. :-( I find it refreshing myself
Richard> compared to the usually-more-restrictive GUI.
I've always found the CLI much much easier to use than any version of
Windows. I was late coming to the `Gates of Hell' and I was happy to
escape them.
>> The fact is that a technically brilliant piece of software can
>> be a pain to use, while a technically ordinary one can be a
>> godsend to users.
Richard> True, which is why I don't recommend Linux as a
Richard> replacement for Windows for the masses, and why I wish
Richard> the mainstream press would tone down the "Linux
Richard> revolution" rhetoric and start EDUCATING readers rather
Richard> than tossing out tasty sound bytes.
I don't think it's true and I don't think that most of the people
spouting off here about `average' users have any real idea what those
users go through with their systems. I've written it before and I'll
write it again: Windows is not `intuitive' and it's not an easy
system to learn to use. Technically non compis users seldom learn
even 10% of it. They barely get by. That is the price they pay for
the combination of difficulty of learning and the dangerous
instability of the Operating System. Even people who know next to
nothing about computers are familiar with Invalid Page Fault, Fatal
Exception, Windows Exception Error, &c.
People who come to linux newsgroups complaining about how difficult it
is to learn to use are, well, simply unimaginative. They can't
imagine doing anything `not Windows' -- they're like Americans
studying the French language and complaining that the grammar `just
isn't natural.'
A box with linux preinstalled and ready to use on day one in the home
will be every bit as `user friendly' as the Win 98 box currently being
shipped. With this proviso -- that the user of the linux box will
never have to call tech support to reinstall the video drivers after
they went beserk because ... she clicked `Start -- Shut Down -- Shut
Down -- OK' and turned her machine off at the end of the day.
mp
- --
Michael Powe Portland, Oregon USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
"Three hours a day will produce as much as a man ought to write."
-- Anthony Trollope
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: using telnet instead of login for terminals
Date: 28 Mar 1999 01:13:12 -0800
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>>>>> "Bill" == Bill Unruh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Bill> In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Stephen M. Waite"
Bill> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> I would like to use telnet instead of login for my serial
>> connections.
>> I assumed that I could replace login with telnet in inittab.
>> Unfortunately this did not work.
Bill> ??? They perform totally different functions! telnet uses
Bill> login to actually log in. login logs the person in (gets the
Hmm, not necessarily. You can telnet into lots of places (news, mail
servers) without interfacing with login.
mp
- --
Michael Powe Portland, Oregon USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
"Three hours a day will produce as much as a man ought to write."
-- Anthony Trollope
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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 14:04:16 +0200
From: Martin Farrent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Intranet platform jpub - new version
"jpub" (http://www.jpub.de) is an integrated application/publishing
framework for intranets. It's being developed under the GPL and is free,
open source software. Version 0.5 has just been released, including some
major enhancements for webmasters.
Jpub is based on its own specialized web server written in Java. It
includes 'on the fly' publishing, a unix-style permissioning/user
management system and a powerful API for extension applications.
The developing platform is mostly Linux, but the software has been
tested on NT, Solaris and SCO Unixware successfully. It will probably
also run on OS/2 machines. It should run on any flavour of unix.
The latest version includes an initial set of tools for webmasters and
extension developers as a first step towards our goal of making jpub as
intuitive for administrators as it already is for end users.
The project welcomes new participants and contributors.
Martin Farrent
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Help on PPP dial-up
Date: 27 Mar 1999 18:38:49 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>here's the example of my chat script:
>'ABORT' 'BUSY'
>'ABORT' 'ERROR'
>'ABORT' 'NO CARRIER'
>'ABORT' 'NO DIALTONE'
>'ABORT' 'Invalid Login'
>'ABORT' 'Login incorrect'
>" 'ATZ'
>'OK' 'ATDT4945012'
>'CONNECT' "
>'myusername' 'mypassword'
This is all messed up. After connect you have an unclosed double quote.
which will confuse things. Then you have your script expecting
myusername from the remote machine, which I suspect it will never send,
and sending mypassword when your username comes. Similarly, on the line
" 'ATZ'
you have another unclosed double quote. Now I suspect both should have
been a pair of sinle quote. '' not ". But even then your
usename/password line is wrong
'ogin:' myusername
'assword:' mypassword
would probably be a more useful pair
>----snip---------
>OK,
>I cleared all the old messages, and create a new log file, /var/log/ppp,
>and set the link for ppp0 log to that file. Then I dial using minicom
>and do alt-q to exit minicom without disconnecting, and at prompt, I
>type pppd, this is what I get in the /var/log/ppp file:
So Why do you have the chat script if you are going to use minicom to
connect with??
>March 26 20:56:56 localhost pppd[609]: using interface ppp0
>March 26 20:56:56 localhost pppd[609]: Connect ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS0
>March 26 20:56:56 localhost pppd[609]: Sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1
><asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0xfec5> <pcomp> <accomp>]
The remote machine is not expecting ppp negotiation, and is sitting
there sending you text (not 8 bit clean)
>March 26 20:56:56 localhost last messages repeated 9 times
>March 26 20:56:56 localhost pppd[609]: LCP : timeout sending
>Config-Requests
>March 26 20:56:56 localhost pppd[609]: connection terminated
>March 26 20:56:56 localhost pppd[609]: Receive serial link is not 8-bit
>clean
>March 26 20:56:56 localhost pppd[609]: Problem: all had bit 7 set to 0
>March 26 20:56:56 localhost pppd[609]:Hangup (SIGHUP)
>March 26 20:56:56 localhost pppd[609]: Exit
Might I suggest taht you get and follow the directions to the letter in
http://axion.physics.ubc.ca/ppp-linux.html
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From: "Gero H. Marten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.linux,alt.os.linux,apana.lists.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: Linux and Netscape 4.51 (tar/gz format)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 10:54:48 +0200
Peter DeSimone wrote:
>
> Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain)
> Encoding: quoted-printable
What's going on here? Can't anybody write a normal and correct posting?
--
Gero H. Marten
<http://www.provi.de/gmarten/index.html>
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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 13:43:57 +0200
From: Yacov Wolfowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
Subject: Newbie's question
Hi all,
Please, I dont mean to start a flame war. I'd like to install Linux on
my new pc, and don't know which distribution to use. Is there any
difference? Which one is "better"?
My system:
PIII 450,
128 Mb
DVD player, X5 (by CREATIVE)
6.4 Gb Disk
CREATIVE Riva TNT 16M
CREATIVE 64 sound card
--
Don't take your organs to heaven.
Heaven knows we need them here...
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From: Len Cuff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: xosview won't compile ??
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 13:43:55 +0100
Reply-To: Len Cuff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi all,
Just moved from 2.0.x to 2.2.x kernel. The old xosview wouldn't
work so I downloaded one which should have done but it won't compile. I
included the compile output and maybe someone will spot my mistake :--
In file included from /usr/include/linux/fs.h:13,
from
/usr/include/linux/proc_fs.h:4,
from memstat-2.2.c:9:
/usr/include/linux/types.h:7: warning: #warning "This code is tested
with gcc 2.7.2.x only. Using egcs/gcc 2.8.x needs"
/usr/include/linux/types.h:8: warning: #warning "additional patches that
have not been sufficiently tested to include by"
/usr/include/linux/types.h:9: warning: #warning "default."
/usr/include/linux/types.h:10: warning: #warning "See http://www.suse.de
/~florian/kernel+egcs.html for more information"
/usr/include/linux/types.h:11: #error "Remove this if you have applied
the gcc 2.8/egcs patches and wish to use them"
memstat-2.2.c:10:
asm/uaccess.h: No such file or directory
/usr/include/asm/string.h: In
function `__constant_memcpy':
In file included from /usr/include/linux/s
tring.h:39,
from /usr/include/asm/termios.h:59,
from /usr/include/linux/termios.h:5,
from
/usr/include/linux/tty.h:20,
from /usr/include/linux/sched.h:26,
from /usr/include/linux/mm.h:4,
from
/usr/include/linux/malloc.h:4,
from /usr/include/linux/
proc_fs.h:5,
from memstat-2.2.c:9:
/usr/include/asm/string.h:443: warning: control reaches end of non-void
function
/usr/include/asm/string.h: In function `__constant_c_and_count_
memset':
/usr/include/asm/string.h:594: warning: control reaches end of non-void
function
memstat-2.2.c: At top level:
memstat-2.2.c:58: warning:
initialization from incompatible pointer type
memstat-2.2.c: In function
`si_memstat':
memstat-2.2.c:110: `max_mapnr' undeclared (first use in
this function)
memstat-2.2.c:110: (Each undeclared identifier is
reported only once
memstat-2.2.c:110: for each function it appears in.)
memstat-2.2.c:116: warning: implicit declaration of function
`atomic_read'
memstat-2.2.c:98: warning: `i' might be used uninitialized
in this function
memstat-2.2.c: In function `memstat_read':
memstat-
2.2.c:186: structure has no member named `f_dentry'
memstat-2.2.c:207:
warning: implicit declaration of function `copy_to_user'
make[2]: ***
[memstat.o] Error 1
make[1]: *** [MemStat] Error 2
make: *** [meterlib]
Error 2
7.1/linux/memstat'
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/testing/xos
view/xosview-1.7.1/linux'
(Sorry about the bad format of the text !)
Cheers,
Len
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Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
From: "ne..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: computer name (stupid q)?
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 12:55:42 GMT
On Mar 28, 1999 at 14:49, marin eloquently wrote:
>how can I now computer name on my RH5.2 and how to change it?
>please
Edit your /etc/sysconfig/network and add a line
HOSTNAME="my.machine.name.com". Save and reboot.
--
There are a lot of lies going around.... and half of them are true.
-- Winston Churchill
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From: Rod Roark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
microsoft.public.windowsnt.misc,microsoft.public.windowsnt.setup,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,micorosft.public.outlook
Subject: Re: Using Linux instead of NT Server in home environment....
Date: 28 Mar 1999 13:03:14 GMT
Stuart Summerville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>...
>What are your experiences when taking this approach? Does one have to
>sacrifice many windas niceties in order to take advantage of Linux? &
>please, no barking about how well Linux handles these services - I
>know - I just want to know how well it compares to NT on the
>usability/feature-wise scale.
Take a look at http://citv.unl.edu/linux/LinuxPresentation.html.
It's a bit old now, but has a lot of detail.
-- Rod
======================================================================
Sunset Systems Preconfigured Linux Computers
http://www.sunsetsystems.com/ and Custom Software
======================================================================
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From: Rod Roark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: computer name (stupid q)?
Date: 28 Mar 1999 13:05:11 GMT
marin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>how can I now computer name on my RH5.2 and how to change it?
Run linuxconf, go the the client network setup area.
-- Rod
======================================================================
Sunset Systems Preconfigured Linux Computers
http://www.sunsetsystems.com/ and Custom Software
======================================================================
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From: "Alex Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Where can I download Linux as one compressed file?
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 08:06:35 -0500
You can get Linux-Mandrake which is a RH5.2 clone with the KDE window
manager in one file
http://www.linux-mandrake.com/
You'll need a CD-R to burn that file to a CD.
David Dineen wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>A good while ago I got hold of a magazine cover CD with RedHat 4.1 and
>installed it on my PC. I didn't use it very much, though. It couldn't
>read the long filenames on my Windows drives and it was a bitch to set
>up. Now I've seen KDE running on a later version on a computer in a
>university and I'd like to give Linux another go.
>
>I found a mirror that's close to me and that's fairly fast
>(ftp.heanet.ie) but here's my problem. In Ireland we get billed per
>minute for local/Internet calls and downloading something this big is
>fairly expensive. I usually use a great piece of software for the PC
>called GetRight for large downloads. I can download a bit every day in
>the background without adding too many zeros to my phone bill. But
>GetRight will only download single files; I can't just point it at a
>directory and let it get on with it.
>
>So,basically, is there somewhere I can download RH 5.2 in one big
>file, and then unzip/untar it? Is there a better way?
>
>---------------------------------------------------------
> David Dineen Fruity Bits
> www.cs.tcd.ie/spinaweb/98_finalists/02_fruitybits/
>---------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 01:12:26 -0800
From: jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: fbcon
Were can I get information on programming in fbcon? I know that you use
mmap, but what do you put in the memory?
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