Linux-Misc Digest #697, Volume #19 Fri, 2 Apr 99 02:13:09 EST
Contents:
Re: LOCAL: Linux Install Party at Friedlos/Germany (Dan Kegel)
Re: Probleme beim compilieren (Michael Schlenstedt)
Re: Web-Browser on Sparc-Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Proposal: "Linux 2000 Platform" (Jeremy Crabtree)
rescue root diskette (Bob Tennent)
Clock and Sleep Mode ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: 'Doze 98 vs. UNIX multitasking (Jonas Otter)
Netscape messing up bookmarks somehow (Bill Unruh)
how to change the font size of Netscape Message Head (bio13)
Re: hacked /bin/login: can't replace it (Juergen Heinzl)
x86config - laptop (Sankara Gara)
Re: And I saved mine! ("George Georgakis")
Re: Installing RedHat 5.2 on a Gateway 2000 ("Gigsaw")
Re: Idea: Make a seperate "i686" tree for Redhat Linux 6.0 (Enkidu)
logitech Trackman Marble ("Mitch Georgieff")
top makes a core dumpt now! (steph M)
Re: Installing RedHat 5.2 on a Gateway 2000 (Tim Moore)
Re: NetBSD/Linux (No advocacy) (Chris Fletcher)
Re: What is the best Linux to install? (Mike Graham)
Re: C++ Heeeelp!!!! (Michael Powe)
Re: L I N U X + 8 0 8 8 (Michel)
Re: Proposal: "Linux 2000 Platform" ("Jim Ross")
Re: RedHat, The Next MS (Michel)
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From: Dan Kegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: LOCAL: Linux Install Party at Friedlos/Germany
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 04:36:47 +0000
Garry Glendown wrote:
> Am 30.5.1999 findet in Friedlos bei Bad Hersfeld die erste "Linux
> Install Party" des Vereins C&K Insider e.V. statt. Beginn ist gegen
> 14:00. N�here Informationen und Anmeldeformular gibt es unter der URL:
> http://linux.insider.org
I've entered this into the calendar at
http://www.installfest.com/
Feel free to correct it online if you like;
the calendar is editable.
- Dan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Schlenstedt)
Crossposted-To:
maus.computer.linux,fido.ger.linux,ger.pc.linux,de.alt.comp.os.unix.linux.newusers,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Probleme beim compilieren
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:33:22 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Am Mon, 29 Mar 1999 01:27:31 +0200 schrieb Stephan Schoenfeldt:
>/usr/i486-linux/bin/ld: warning: libstdc++.so.2.9, needed by
>/opt/kde/lib/libkfm.so, may conflict with libstdc++.so.2.7.2
Da steht es: libstdc++.so.2.9 wird ben�tigt. Und dann steht da noch, da�
die Programme unter Umst�nden nicht mit libstdc++.so.2.7.2 zusammen laufen.
Es handelt es sich um dynamische C++-Bibliotheken. Sie werden f�r
dynamisch gelinkte C++-Programme ben�tigt.
Bei SuSE 6 im Packet
c gppshare * Dynamische C++-Bibliotheken
Cu
Schlenn
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Web-Browser on Sparc-Linux
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:40:00 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi Dara,
On Tue, 30 Mar 1999, Dara Hazeghi wrote:
[..]
>
> Netscape already runs their. It's just in their unsupported directory. Go to
> http://home.netscape.com/download/unsupported.html
> It's under SPARC Linux
>
Ok, you are right.
There is just one little problem. There is only a version for Sparc-Linux
with strong encryption. And as I don't live in the USA but in Germany the
server just tells me: Your domain is not from USA so you are not allowed
to download this.
A version without encryption would do fine for me, because I don't need
it. But I can't find one.
Bye
Ralf
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeremy Crabtree)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Proposal: "Linux 2000 Platform"
Date: 2 Apr 1999 02:07:48 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kendall Bennett allegedly wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>Since the announcement of MetroWerks CodeWarrior for the "Red Hat Linux"
>platform, a couple of threads have brought up the subject of difference
>between Linux distributions. As a developer of commercial products for
>the Linux platform, we are all too familiar with the subtle differences
>between Linux distributions that cause headaches for vendors wishing to
>develop and *support* products for the Linux platform. Hence
>software vendors end up developing for and supporting their products on
>the most popular Linux distribution, which is currently Red Hat.
huh? Unless you do something that is obscenely distribution-specific,
it doesn't matter.
>I know there is already the Linux LSB project underway to hopefully solve
>some of these problems.
Then why start yet another project?
>However I think we need something more
>definitative than this. What we need to do is put together something
>similar to the the Microsoft PC '99 guidelines, but for Linux
>distributions. I am proposing that we start a new project to define the
>'Linux 2000 Platform'.
1) PC '99 is evil, 2) Who gets to decide what is 'standard'?
>Since there will be differences between the different uses for Linux, we
>should define multiple variations of the Linux 2000 platform. The
>contents of what make up the variations Linux 2000 platform should be
>debated and eventually voted on to come up with the final guidelines.
>Some people may not agree with the final vote, but the important thing is
>that compromises need to be made for this to be successful. We may also
>want to define what are 'base components' that must be installed on every
>system, and components that are optional and may or may not be installed
>by the user.
Well...other than the bare minimum, just about everything should be optional.
>The important thing here is that then software vendors can say that they
>support the 'Linux 2000 Platform' as opposed to a particular Linux
>distribution. People writing books about Linux can target the 'Linux 2000
>Platform' as well, so people wanting to learn about Linux can simply get
>any distribution that is Linux 2000 compliant. As long as the
>distribution guidelines are set in and the distribution vendors correctly
>follow the guidelines, the Linux world will be a better place.
Sounds like a marketing tool.
>Perhaps we need a new mailing list dedicated to defining and regulating
>these issues?
You would also need the participation and support of several MAJOR
players in the Linux community.
>The following are my first two (very bare) suggestions to begin with:
>
>Linux 2000 Workstation
>----------------------
>
>Base components:
> . Standard locations for all configuration files!
Such as? For the most part they live in /etc .
> . Glibc based
> . RPM for package manager
I suggest dpkg instead, it's a bit more, shall we say, 'advanced'.
(I use Slackware, and I don't use ANY package managers ;)
> . GNU make, C/C++ compiler and development libraries
Well, DUH! ;)
> . XFree86 installed to /usr/X11R6/lib (or /usr/X11)
Or both, thanks to the wonders of sym-links.
>Optional components:
> . Web browser (Netscape or Mozilla variation?)
> . Need more suggestions here!
>
>Linux 2000 Server
>-----------------
>
>Base components:
> . Standard locations for all configuration files!
See above.
> . Glibc based
> . RPM for package manager
See above.
> . GNU make, C/C++ compiler and development libraries
Again DUH! ;)
> . XFree86 installed to /usr/X11R6/lib (or /usr/X11)
See above.
> . Ftp, telnet servers
> . Apache web server
Naturally.
> . Web browser (Netscape or Mozilla variation?)
On a server, this goes in the optional category.
>Optional components:
> . Need more suggestions here!
Summary: It sounds like you want
RedHat == Linux 2000
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the difficulties, and now beg to present to my fellow fools the parts
that are not hard" --Silvanus P. Thompson, from "Calculus Made Easy."
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From: r d t@c s.q u e e n s u.c a (Bob Tennent)
Subject: rescue root diskette
Date: 1 Apr 1999 04:32:32 GMT
I find I can't make a working rescue disk. The boot disk (made by
mkbootdisk) works OK, until it says "Insert root floppy and press ENTER",
which I do. Then I get "Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs at 02:00"
The rescue disk was made by
dd if=rescue.img of=/dev/fd0 bs=1440k
on a Redhat 5.2 system running kernel 2.2.4 compiled by RedHat.
Any suggestions?
Bob T.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Clock and Sleep Mode
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 06:01:03 GMT
Hi,
Two things have been having rather wierdly lately. Not sure what the problem
is. I am not sure if they are related.
1) Setting Clock. During bootup, after remounting file systems, the system
sometimes take quite a few minutes after the "Setting Clock:" message appears,
before the date and time are shown and then it carried on as usual. At other
times, this is instantaneous. So, is that a BIOS problem showing up, where
Linux is having problem probing the clock?
2) Round at about the same time, I notice that when I set the machine to sleep
mode, the monitor remains the same instead of blanking off. It used to blanked
off automatically after it goes into sleep mode, or when I didn't touch the
machine for a while. Now, the machine may slow down, but the monitor continues
to shine brightly. On the other hand, it still behaves correctly under
Windows98. Is there a problem with my video or Xfree86 setting?
Are the problems remotely related?
Thanks.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jonas Otter)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: 'Doze 98 vs. UNIX multitasking
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:51:33 GMT
On Fri, 26 Mar 1999 04:20:28 +0000, Donn Miller
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Windows 98 multitasks using timeslices of about 1/18.2 seconds. In
>Petzold's Programming Windows 5th ed., he claims that the intervals for
[long snip]
To begin with, the 8259 is an interrupt controller while the timer is
presumably an 8254 (which is a programmable timer, yes). An output of
the 8254 is hard wired to the 8259, giving an interrupt every time the
timer times out. The 55 msec are programmed into the 8254 by the
operating system by setting a count, the timer then counts the system
clock down till the count reaches 0 when the interrupt is generated,
the timer is reloaded, everything starts over.
The time 55 msec is something which has been ever since DOS 1.0; why
55 msec? no idea.
Next, assuming two operating systems with the same amount of overhead
for a context (task) switch, you are correct in saying that if the
context switches occur less often, the percentage of total CPU time
spent context switching is less than for the OS that context switches
more frequently. On the other hand, if the OS does not cause an
automatic context switch for a process that gets into a wait state,
you might find that the OS that context switches more seldom would
waste more CPU time in waits, instead of releasing the CPU to another
process, negating any gain by the lower context switch overhead.
Then again, all depends on the actual overhead during a context
switch. Since the OSes are different, the overhead will be different.
Therefore you cannot generally say which is better. Also some CPUs
might be able to do part of the context switch in hardware (the VAX
CPU for instance has such a machine instruction).
HTH
Jonas Otter
>
>Thanks
>
>Donn
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Netscape messing up bookmarks somehow
Date: 2 Apr 1999 06:03:41 GMT
I have Netscape 4.08 running on a Linux machine. Every time it starts up
it posts a message saying it cannot save the bookmarks file.
Furthermore, the actual bookmarks file
~/.netscape/bookmarks.html
is not being used at all by netscape. Instead the default bookmarks keep
appearing. The bookmarks.html file is rw everyone in fact, so it does
not seem to be permissions.
Any clue?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (bio13)
Subject: how to change the font size of Netscape Message Head
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 06:46:13 -0800
Hi,
I am using the netscape commmunicator to read newsgroup. The
annoyance is the font size of head is so small. I'm already
near-sighted. Pls help me to make it bigger.
BTW, I am using v4.5.1
thanks
Brandon
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl)
Subject: Re: hacked /bin/login: can't replace it
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 02:25:35 GMT
In article <7e0jvb$oa4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chris Richards wrote:
[...]
>Luckily I was at the terminal when the lamer broke into the system. I yanked
>the ethernet cable and in doing so prevented all but minor damage.
Tststs
>I have used RedHat's rpm utility to clean up the entire system. All I have
>left to replace is /bin/login. Strangely enough, I can not. When I try to
>perform operations against the file, I receive a "operation not permitted"
chattr -i /bin/login
Cheers,
Juergen
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From: Sankara Gara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: x86config - laptop
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:58:30 -0600
To configure X on Toshiba Satellite Pro - 420 CDT laptop what are the
vaules for
the monitor type, sync rate, and mouse type etc. THANKS!
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From: "George Georgakis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,linux,linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.questions,alt.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: And I saved mine!
Date: 1 Apr 1999 05:59:49 GMT
"Reboot"?
George
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Fertimport Porto Alegre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in article
<7dtot8$70o$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>
> For those who cudn't fix theyr linux boxes yet, or have no idea how to
> make it. Has just updated glibc on RH 5.0 and SO 50 installation is
> going on right now!
>
> Follow those steps (the one I did):
> - untar the glibc2-inst files on '/', according to README
> - reboot linux
> - boot fm a rescue disquete
> - mount yr '/' partition (mine is on /dev/hda1)
> - cd to '/etc'
> - edit (I used vi) ld.so.conf and include the glibc2 directory created
> on top of it
> - mv ld-linux.so.2 on /lib to ld-lin...2-old
> - cp /glibc2/ld-linux.so.2 /lib
> - run 'ldconfig -v'
> - reboot normally
>
> Try it! Solved my problem!
>
> Good Luck
> Ivan Daudt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: "Gigsaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: Installing RedHat 5.2 on a Gateway 2000
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 01:41:26 -0500
This is probaly utterly unhelpful,..but I have slackware running fine =
on my p2-333 64Mb of phys ram, no swap. on a 2.14 Gb partition. Runs =
fine so far.
--=20
Gigsaw
UIN:20433481
@#Desperado @#HologramNation @#P3ni5
Ignorance is bliss for the informed...get informed
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From: Enkidu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
linux.redhat.misc,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Idea: Make a seperate "i686" tree for Redhat Linux 6.0
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 18:43:53 +1200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wizard wrote:
>
> On top of adding value the strengthen the Linux code base by
> setting things like RPM free.
>
RPM is a good package manger, but it is *not* essential. I've been
running Linux for years without it.
>
> The other key item that everyone overlooks is the large amount
> of effort the people at RedHat, Suse and others put into driver
> development. If that does add value I don't know what does.
>
This is a fiction. Redhat do *not* develop drivers.
>
> The simple fact is that the RedHat Cd gets a lot of people
> involved in Linux that might not otherwise. This is truely a
> good thing.
>
It's a mixed blessing. Count the number of times there are questions
on this group from someone who has bought or downloaded Redhat, and
doesn't know how to partition a disk. Or even that they can't run
Linux under Windows! A recent question posted was "Where's the
setup.exe for Linux".
However if these people *can* learn, then they become an asset to
the Linux community, and to the non-Microsoft world.
Redhat does put *barriers* to understanding, by making things look
more GUI, and hiding the nuts and bolts. Again this is both good
and bad.
Cliff
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From: "Mitch Georgieff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: logitech Trackman Marble
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:53:43 -0600
Does anyone know if the logitech trackman marble will work with Redhat 5.2
and 2.2.2 kernal? Is there a driver anywhere out there for it? I cant seem
to make the existing drivers work. It works fine on my NT computer.
Thanks
Mitch
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From: steph M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.development
Subject: top makes a core dumpt now!
Date: 01 Apr 1999 22:52:05 PST
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi!
"Top" is on the package procps. Though, I'd like to have the "code" of top, not
the binary. Is it possible?
When I make a "top", I get a core dump. I don't know where does it come from..
- I reinstalled the package procps
- I ran "top" without X-window..
Any idea are welcome!
Thanks!
Steph
Erik de Castro Lopo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ahmed Said wrote:
> >
> > hi there all,
> >
> > does anyone know where i could get the code for the linux system
> > utility top?
>
> I'm pretty sure top is part of the procps package. Have a look on the
> Redhat site for the source RPM with a name starting with "procps".
>
> Erik
> --
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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 22:50:46 -0800
From: Tim Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: Installing RedHat 5.2 on a Gateway 2000
Doesn't this work?
http://www.xfree.org/3.3.3.1/mouse26.html
> The wheel mouse shipped with my system is a standard MS Intellimouse PS/2
> which isn't well supported by RH5.2, but there's a free package on the web
> ("imwheel") which makes it run perfectly, wheel and all.
--
[Replies: add tim in front]
"Everything is permitted. Nothing is forbidden."
WS Burroughs.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Fletcher)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc
Subject: Re: NetBSD/Linux (No advocacy)
Date: 1 Apr 1999 06:08:13 GMT
Markus Kurek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: IMO the NetBSD man pages are very convenient. They are almost up to date,
: and you can find needed informations very quickly.
: Imagine my shock as I found out, that KDE does not have ONE
: man page at all. Just HTML-pages. So you need to fire up X11 only
: to look for informations how to set up KDE. This is the wrong way.
Agreed. But surely you can view them with lynx. Or are they full of
pretty graphics and frames designed to make life slow and difficult?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Graham)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: What is the best Linux to install?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 03:03:17 GMT
On Thu, 01 Apr 1999 14:27:59 +0900, Yim,SeongSoo wrote:
>I realy recommend to start with RedHat.
I agree with that. It seems the most 'mainstream'. I was just on their
website and it appears that several big players (IBM, COMPAQ, etc.) have
pumped in some capital to get in on the action. That's a very telling sign.
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Caledon, Ontario, Canada (just NW of Toronto).
Raiser of animals. Weldor of metals. Driver of off-road vehicles.
Writer of FAQs. Keeper of the faith, and all around okay guy.
<http://www.beeline.ca/personal/mike>
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: C++ Heeeelp!!!!
Date: 01 Apr 1999 22:24:55 -0800
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>>>>> "Frank" == Frank Sweetser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Frank> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook) writes:
>> On Thu, 01 Apr 1999 21:10:46 GMT, Robert Heller
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >Probably reasonably decent generic C++ book would do.
>> Probably any >'Teach Yourself C++' would do, even one geared
>> for MS-Windows or MacOS
>> Most C++ books are crap unfortunately (especially anything
>> written by Herb Schildt.) A good place to look for book reviews
>> from people who know what they are doing is www.accu.org.
Frank> i found the O'Reilly practical C++ book to be excelent
Frank> (surprise, surprise ;). at least, it was a hell of a lot
Frank> better than the book the prof subscribed for the course...
I didn't buy it because it was cloned from Oualline's also excellent
<Practical C Programming>. And I do mean `cloned,' whole sections of
the book are identical to PCP with the exception of having `C++'
substituted for `C.' That kind of annoyed me.
mp
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From: Michel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: L I N U X + 8 0 8 8
Date: 1 Apr 1999 21:00:33 -0600
"Robert B. Kasten" wrote:
>
>
> Actually there is a point. For one, I have an HP 100LX palmtop on which
> I would very much like to run *nux. It's an 8086.
>
> Opinions expressed herein are my own and may not represent those of my employer.
The Linux for 8088's ultimate target is the embedded systems like 80C188/6
I do have a link on my web site if you haven't found it yet.
Personnally I prefer a non OS embedded system, I've always used Borland C++ (1.0 to
3.1)
with the locate utility to put the code in rom and the Borland remote degugger for
debugging.
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then try Linux's preemptive multitasking
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From: "Jim Ross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Proposal: "Linux 2000 Platform"
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 01:57:33 -0500
Christopher B. Browne wrote in message ...
>On 1 Apr 1999 21:34:22 -0500, Alexander Viro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>posted:
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>>I suggest dpkg instead, it's a bit more, shall we say, 'advanced'.
>>
>>Seconded, with possible ports integration.
>
>Unfortunately, the flaming of Red Hat by those of the Slackware
>Religion acts as an anodyne, distracting people from the possibility
>that there might be ideas out there that are better than either
>system's approach.
>
>The fixation on RPM, with occasional vague mention of dpkg, betrays a
>generally vast ignorance of the various packaging methods that in use.
>Almost certainly Ports and the Debian tools represent something closer
>to the "state of the art" than does RPM.
>
>Anyone for stow? Depot? NSBD?
>
>Note that RPM would be a whole lot more usable if there was something
>functionally equivalent to Debian's APT and dselect tools...
I think people understand that RPM has problems.
They just believe it is better for some people than source packages.
Source is ok, but not for everyone.
Jim
>
>>>(I use Slackware, and I don't use ANY package managers ;)
>>
>>>> . GNU make, C/C++ compiler and development libraries
>>
>>>Well, DUH! ;)
>
>I disagree, slightly. POSIX make is a more unambiguously requirable
>option.
>
>>>> . XFree86 installed to /usr/X11R6/lib (or /usr/X11)
>>
>>Optional. Install libs if you are so inclined, but server and
>>applications do not belong to required part.
>>
>>>Or both, thanks to the wonders of sym-links.
>>
>> Exactly.
>
>Absolutely.
>
>>>>Optional components:
>>>> . Web browser (Netscape or Mozilla variation?)
>>
>>Or lynx, or any other browser. What's the difference for 3-rd party
>>applications?
>
>If trying to establish a standard, shouldn't the product picked be
>require to conform to some standards? :-).
>
>--
>Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
>-- Henry Spencer <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: Michel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RedHat, The Next MS
Date: 1 Apr 1999 21:06:03 -0600
Richard Steiner wrote:
>
> Here in comp.os.linux.misc, Bill Amsinux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> spake unto us, saying:
>
> >I got the feeling RedHat will be the next MS in term of owning the
> >share market of PC softwares and building junky stuffs, but getting
> >good at marketing. They are rushing like guys&girls at MS Corp,
> >releasing premature, buggy softwares.
>
> I didn't find Red Hat 5.1 to be particularly buggy, and (quite) unlike
> Microsoft, Red Hat makes errata/updates available very quickly and for
> no charge.
>
and it doesn't try to install the patch itself leaving an unusable system
after it fucks up.
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