Linux-Misc Digest #700, Volume #19 Fri, 2 Apr 99 08:13:09 EST
Contents:
Re: VMWARE -- why isn't it the rage topic of discussion? ("Peter Caffin")
Re: Closing Dell Latitude Cover Crashes Linux (taniwha)
Re: Best Free X Windows Server for Win95/98 Box on Samba/Linux Network? (Enkidu)
Re: easy one I hope (xterm config issue) (Dave Seyster)
(Off Topic Slightly) -Tape Backup SparcStation5 "read error" ("Euan B")
Re: Modems and Quake 2 (Chris Scheetz)
Winframe Client on Linux - Anybody ? ("Steve Cholerton")
Re: batch tiff conversion ("Sascha Bohnenkamp")
Re: Don't wanna run 'diald', so what else??? ("George Georgakis")
Re: easy one I hope (xterm config issue) (Roland Latour)
Re: Closing Dell Latitude Cover Crashes Linux (Sitaram Chamarty)
Re: newsreader for linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: logitech Trackman Marble ("David Z. Maze")
Re: more than one modem in a machine ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Missing kernel ac patches??? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: easy one I hope (xterm config issue) ("T.E.Dickey")
Re: Triple boot best way? (Thomas Weeks)
Multiple modem (shu ling)
Re: What is the best Linux to install? ("Yim,SeongSoo")
Linux and FreeBSD file systems ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: newsreader for linux (Jeremiah)
Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the Linux-equivalents
for these Windoze programs? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Pentium III Boycott and survey info (Alexander Dymerets)
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From: "Peter Caffin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: VMWARE -- why isn't it the rage topic of discussion?
Date: 2 Apr 1999 10:47:59 GMT
Jim Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Don't get me wrong: the product sounds fantastic for people who have to
> run both and don't want to dual-boot...but I don't have any need for it
> at all.
+---------------------------------+--------------------------------+
| Option 1: VMWare System | Option 2: Cheap Method |
+---------------------------------+--------------------------------+
|* Cost of upgrading your PC to a |* Cost of an old monitor-less |
| Pentium II-333 with 128M RAM & | 486DX2 with ISA network card. |
| harddisk space. |* Free download of VNC server & |
|* Cost of commercial product. | client software. |
+---------------------------------+--------------------------------+
The only significant advantages that VMWare's method are, IMHO:
* An improvement in the colour depth over a VNC term.
* Cut and paste of text.
Considering the costs involved. it's not an avenue I'm planning on
taking.. for a while yet, anyway.
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From: taniwha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Closing Dell Latitude Cover Crashes Linux
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:32:53 +0000
Allen O'Neill wrote:
>
> James,
>
> this is most likely due to the little "nipple" just under the screen
> being initiated when you close the lid - this is a small switch that trys
> to put the machine into standard SLEEP mode.
>
> My solution on a similar machine? ... Get a big snippers and cut out the
> nipple !! (Ouch!)
eeew .. grimace .... but seriously I have a Dell Inspirion 7000 (I know
it's really a different beast made by a different no-name manufacturer)
it puts the machine into standby mode when you close the lid, which is
arguably the 'right thing' to do (it also does the 'right thing' when you
close it in the dock - doesn't power down, shuts down the screen, switches to
the external monitor).
I'm continually amazed that all this stuff (mostly) works considering
that it's the CPU popping into SMM mode at random times and doing stuff
in the BIOS completely unaware of Linux (in my case the ATI driver
doesn't save enough state to reliably return from a save-to-disk [you
can crtl-alt-delete out of X and have it reinitialise - but you lose any
active work] and the sound driver (SB emulation) mutes it and doesn't save
enough state to turn the sound back on)
Paul
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From: Enkidu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.x,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Best Free X Windows Server for Win95/98 Box on Samba/Linux Network?
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 19:08:11 +1200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I use the TNTlite free server, and it has never crashed on me.
Cliff
Cyrus Mehta wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I am creating a dual Windows/Linux environment using Samba for file serving
> on a standard Ethernet network. I was wondering what kind of X server software
> for the Windows side I could use to run some X windows apps off of the LInux Box.
>
> Reliability is the most important factor, windows will crash often enough without
> the help of the X server.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> CKM
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Seyster)
Subject: Re: easy one I hope (xterm config issue)
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 14:00:10 GMT
On Thu, 1 Apr 1999 00:54:27 -0500, Tim Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hey Everyone,
> Never thought about this until someone asked me recently (guess It just
>never came up). How do you change (increase) the size of the font in an
>xterm session.
> I was able to change the background color, foreground color,
>etc...without problem, but couldn't find anything on how to increase the
>font size.
To do this interactively, press the control key and the right mouse button
simultaneously in the xterm window. The left and middle buttons, in
conjunction with the control key, call up different menus.
Dave Seyster
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From: "Euan B" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: (Off Topic Slightly) -Tape Backup SparcStation5 "read error"
Date: 1 Apr 1999 13:35:42 GMT
I originally posted this on "comp.os.unix.misc" to no avail, I hope this
doesn't offend. -Thanks
Hi there guru's, I was wondering if you could help me with this rather
annoying problem. We have a SparcStation5 running SunOS, release 4.1.3_U1,
Operating System Version: 3 (from uname -a). Connected to this a 10
GigaByte 8mm Backup Tape Drive. This tape drive has its "Target Address
Switch" set at 4 (as recommended in the manual).
I have tried using Tar and also the GUI "Tape Tool" to view 2 tapes we
have, with no success. I have worked out that the tape drive is set to
"/dev/rst0" (have also tried 8,1,4). However the error message that is
displayed is "read error:Invalid Argument".
The only things I can come up with are that :
a) the tapes that I am looking at are blank and needing formatted or
similar.(not good)
b) the tapes have been corrupted (not good, they are backups of data)
c) there is a device mismatch.
Any thoughts and pointers would be welcomed.
Thanks again,
Euan
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Disclaimer:
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not in any way expressed by GW - Honest
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From: Chris Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,apana.lists.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Modems and Quake 2
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 01:36:07 -0600
For the libglide you can get the glide drivers from www.download.com and type
in "linux" in the search. You'll get 4 pages of Linux goodies including the
drivers - those are for the Voodoo2, right?
As far as the pic/colormap.pcx - I think that is from trying to run the SVGAlib
version under X.
In the documentation it states the command line for starting which server under
each circumstance.
Checkout www.linuxquake.com too.
Nick Hughes wrote:
> ok, with quake2, ive seen that problem b4 in winblows, but i cant remember
> how to fix it... the file it specifies is actually internal to one of the
> files in your /baseq2 directory
> from memory, i think it might be a video problem :-\
> Peter DeSimone wrote in message
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> t>...
> I am trying to run Quake 2 under Mandrake Linux 5.3 with Kernel 2.2.3.
>
> It keeps giving me an error Cannot find pic/colormap.pcx. There is no
> directory PIC.
>
> Where do I find it?
>
> When I tried to run a different Quake2 RPM, I was told I needed
> libglide2x?.rpm Where can I get this?
>
> MODEMS
>
> I am using Kppp to dial with my modem. It is found, but it keeps hanging
> on "Setting speaker Volume".
>
> The Mini-Terminal and minicom finds it. It is NOT a winmodem. The Query
> Modem for Kppp finds the modem.
>
> Why does it hang trying to set the volume on the modem?
>
> The modem is a Jumpered US Robotics 56K board.
>
> Thanks?
>
> Peter
>
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>
> Peter DeSimone
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>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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From: "Steve Cholerton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Winframe Client on Linux - Anybody ?
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:27:57 +0100
Hi all
Recently installed Linux Redhat 5.2 for the first time, I have also
downloaded the Citrix Winframe Client. The file is called linux_tar.z. can
anybody explain how this can be installed? And has anybody any experience
of running this ISA Client?
My intention is to obtain enough knowledge and experience with Linux over
the next few months to maybe replace some of the computers at work with
Linux O/S and Citrix Client instead of Citrix on Win95 which we currently
have.
Any help greatly appreciated.
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IT Manager, Utopia Furniture Limited
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Web: www.utopia.org.uk
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From: "Sascha Bohnenkamp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: batch tiff conversion
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:57:52 +0200
>Anyone know of a tiff conversion tool whereby I can drop the res of a load
of
>tiff files.
sorry, you want to do what?
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From: "George Georgakis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Don't wanna run 'diald', so what else???
Date: 2 Apr 1999 11:34:48 GMT
Try MasqDialer.
It has clients for most OSes. I use it to make my masquerading server
dial-out (to a selection of 2 ISPs) from a LAN of 2 Win95 and 1 Linux box.
It even works for a masqueraded dial-in account.
http://cpwright.villagenet.com/mserver/
George
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Jon Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> I've got IP Masquerading and 'diald' working between my baby network at
> home.
>
> I don't like 'diald'. It works fine. But I want something a little
> more interactive.
>
> I would like to be able to dial-up and hangup from a remote machine.
>
> What I came up with was:
>
> Set up two login accounts.
> One to start PPP.
> One to hangup.
> Then from a remote telnet session, start and stop the modem.
>
> But, I would like something a little 'cleaner'.
>
> Any ideas???
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jon
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From: Roland Latour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: easy one I hope (xterm config issue)
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 07:03:14 -0800
Tim Russell wrote:
>
> Hey Everyone,
> Never thought about this until someone asked me recently (guess It just
> never came up). How do you change (increase) the size of the font in an
> xterm session.
> I was able to change the background color, foreground color,
> etc...without problem, but couldn't find anything on how to increase the
> font size.
These functions are from my $HOME/.bash_profile.
function 132col {
/bin/echo "\033[?3h"
}
function 80col {
/bin/echo "\033[?3l"
}
# changing xterm font
function fn {
/bin/echo "\033]50;${1}\007\c"
}
# background color for xterm, foreground for nxterm-doesn't work in rxvt
function bgc {
/bin/echo "\033]11;${*}\007\c"
}
# foreground color for xterm, background for nxterm-doesn't work in rxvt
function fgc {
/bin/echo "\033]10;${*}\007\c"
}
===============================================================
Note: 80/132col switching only works if it's enabled. I have (in my
.Xdefaults) set resources for it:
xterm*c132: true
nxterm*c132: true
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Franklin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sitaram Chamarty)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Closing Dell Latitude Cover Crashes Linux
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 11:43:37 GMT
On Tue, 30 Mar 1999 18:30:17 +0000, taniwha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there a chance that your system does a save-to-disk when
>you close the cover and when you repartitioned for Linux
Most reasonable systems shouldnt force you to suspend when the
cover is closed. This behaviour itself ay be a BIOS setting -
check that out too.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: newsreader for linux
Date: 1 Apr 1999 15:06:11 GMT
Daniel Franzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi !
>
> Are there any stable newsreader for linux ? I don't want to use
> communicator anymore , it crashes to often.
>
> Thanks in advance
I use tin, a simple newsreader in text-mode. You can get it for example at
http://www.linuxhq.com/lsm/
Regards,
Carsten
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From: "David Z. Maze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: logitech Trackman Marble
Date: 02 Apr 1999 07:26:34 -0500
Mitch Georgieff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
MG> Does anyone know if the logitech trackman marble will work with
MG> Redhat 5.2 and 2.2.2 kernal? Is there a driver anywhere out there
MG> for it?
I'm quite happy with my TrackMan Marble. :-) (Debian 2.1, kernel
2.2.5.) If it's plugged into the PS/2 port, it acts like a PS/2
mouse, and you need PS/2 mouse support in the kernel. If it's plugged
into a serial port, I think it acts like an M$ mouse, and you need
serial support in the kernel.
MG> I cant seem to make the existing drivers work.
What's failing?
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"Oh, sure, Dave, whatever...you _do_ know what that does, right?"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: more than one modem in a machine
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 15:10:18 GMT
In article <7dt8s2$b2p$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Ernesto =?US-ASCII?Q?Hern=E1ndez-Novich?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.misc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> : I know it is easy to setup two modems in a PC, but how about 3 or 4? I would
> : like to setup Linux as a communications server, where it can serve as a
modem
> : pool similar to the SAPS systems for Windows. Also, what is a good start as
> : for as reading up on setting up a modem pool under Linux? The system would
> : have to allow for any user to automatically be able to use any free modem in
> : the system.
>
> : Along these lines, anyone have any experience with multimodem cards? It
might
> : be easier to setup a server with 4-8 modems for this if I can get a decently
> : priced card.
>
> I've done this in two different ways:
>
> a) For less that 16 ports, just buy any supported multiport card. Stick it in,
> build your kernel, be happy.
> b) For more than 16 ports, I rather have several terminal servers.
> They have several serial ports (I've used ones having up to 32) and handle
> incoming connections (direct or modem); these connections can be as dumb
> as a serial terminal, or have PPP with PAP/CHAP authentication. Each
> terminal server gets assigned an IP address and you put them in your
> network.
>
Well, we are looking at 8-10 ports. I am trying to decide how I want to solve
the problem.
A) I can hook up an ISDN line at each office connected to the Internet. I
could then use the Internet to connect our offices, and offer Internet
services to each office. Problems is, I am not sure I can justify $300 per
office for connection. If I use dynamic IP with dial-up ISDN, I can get
$50-$100 per office at around 150 hours, but will have one hell of a time
connecting the offices. Since the IP address will change, it seems I would
have to have some wierd mechanism to let the other routers know the new IP
address everytime a network/office came up. B) Connect the offices via
modems/PPP. Sounds nice, but I buy equipment and phone lines and get no
Internet. I would then need more modems and phone lines, or dial-up ISDN, for
that connection. So, now I have modems, phone lines, and ISDN and a lot of
equipment.
I would prefer A, but am unsure of how to use dynamic IP in that manner. Any
ideas anyone?
I had considered giving each office one modem with a dedicated line. When it
came up on ISDN it could call the main office and forward the new IP address
to a script, which would then update the main office's route table. Seems
pretty hairy.
Regards, Dustin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Missing kernel ac patches???
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 12:03:53 GMT
Am I the only one experiencing this?
I mean, alan cox's patches are one minute there, then they are gone??
I first tried from my nearest mirror site: ftp.au.kernel.org, and saw that the
only files in /pub/linux/kernel/alan/2.2 is patch-2.2.3ac2-SMPFIX.diff.
Then I checked from ftp.us.kernel.org, and saw that the US mirror site is more
complete. That is, it has the actual patch-2.2.5-ac?.bz2 files listed together
with the SMPFIX.diff file.
Then when I was actually downloading the 2.2.5 patches from ac1 to ac3 by
editing my .netrc file , I was able to download the ac1 patch, but was not
able to download ac2 to ac3. When I tried ls, it too all of a sudden only has
the SMPFIX.diff file.
Finally, I tried ftp.uk.kernel.org. This time, I was able to download the rest
of the 2.2.5-ac patches.
Is it only me?? This happened to me from both ftp and http.
John Salvo
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From: "T.E.Dickey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: easy one I hope (xterm config issue)
Date: 1 Apr 1999 15:41:38 GMT
Tim Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey Everyone,
> Never thought about this until someone asked me recently (guess It just
> never came up). How do you change (increase) the size of the font in an
> xterm session.
> I was able to change the background color, foreground color,
> etc...without problem, but couldn't find anything on how to increase the
> font size.
> Redhat 5.2 is the distribution being used.
Is that xterm or nxterm?
(Redhat distributes nxterm, which iirc, has a broken font menu)
For xterm, use the control/right/mouse button to get a popup, select a
different font from one of the choices (set via resources).
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.clark.net/pub/dickey
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Weeks)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Triple boot best way?
Date: 1 Apr 1999 15:56:02 GMT
Forget NT boot loader and LILO... check out System Commander! At Home I load
DOS 6.22, Win9x, Linux, and Solaris with system commander...
If you really want a lot of control... get two programs... System Commander
and Partition Magic!
http://www.v-com.com
http://www.powerquest.com/product/pm/index.html
Tom D Tek
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>You can use the NT bootloader or LILO. Just go read the HOWTO.
>
>Kara Anne Kalel wrote:
>
>> What is the best and easiest way for someone to set up a triple boot system
>> with RH 5.2?
>>
>> I've got a P2-350 with 128mb of ram, and a 6.4 gb drive with partitioned as
>> c: fat16, d: fat16, linux native, and linux swap. I've got W95 on C, NT4WS
>> (sp3) on D, and a small 8mb partition at the front of the drive that I
>> reserved for a boot manager program.
>>
>> Should I use Boot Commander that came with Partition Magic 4.0, or LILO
that
>> came with Red Hat?
>>
>> I'm a Linux newbie, but I put together this system so my boyfriend could
>> learn NT and I can learn Linux. I've worked with NT and Solaris quite a
bit,
>> but not much Linux.
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>> Kara
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> (remove the /dev/null for my address)
>
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From: shu ling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Multiple modem
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 19:51:02 +0800
If I have more than one modem installed, how can I configure which modem
does the "chat" program talk to?
SL
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From: "Yim,SeongSoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: What is the best Linux to install?
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 14:27:59 +0900
I realy recommend to start with RedHat.
jedi wrote:
> On 31 Mar 1999 23:16:38 GMT, bill davidsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >Graham Daniell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >| RedHat - the boxed set - by far the easiest to install.
> >
> >Haven't tried Mandrake, have you?
>
> Mandrake ~ Redhat. They say so on their homepage.
>
> --
>
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> while you discuss this a invasion in committe." / | \
>
> In search of sane PPP docs? Try http://penguin.lvcm.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Linux and FreeBSD file systems
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 08:34:34 GMT
Hello everybody.
What are the main differences between Linux and FreeBSD file systems,
expecially regarding vulnerability to power system failure or
unappropriate (I mean, turning power off to the computer without
"shutdown -h now") shutdowns?
Do you think that a small office network used for production system
should have a UPS system (at least for the server where the database
keeps its files)?
Thanks in advance for your reply.
Francesco Campedelli
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeremiah)
Subject: Re: newsreader for linux
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 08:54:05 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Gero H. Marten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spake thusly:
> Daniel Franzen wrote:
>
>> Are there any stable newsreader for linux ? I don't want to use
>> communicator anymore , it crashes to often.
>
> Why and when does NS crash? I use it to manage ca. 25 newsgroups with
> about 1000 new messages a day. It hasn't crashed for weeks.
I used 3.0's newsreader with my old computer (running Slack)
for about six months with no problems. Then I got a new computer and used
4.07's newsreader for about a month and a half with no problems... then
one day, when I tried to read this very group: *crash*. Each time I tried
to load the group. I waited a day, and tried to avoid downloading all of
the headers... *crash* So I stopped reading for a week. Tried it again,
and it worked. It worked fine for about another two or three weeks,
and then I had the same problem with a different group. My speculation
was that it was a bad header or something, but I couldn't figure it out...
Any ideas?
Brian
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the
Linux-equivalents for these Windoze programs?
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 03:01:41 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Thu, 01 Apr 1999 23:13:22 GMT...
..and marek jedlinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >People who come to linux newsgroups complaining about how difficult it
> >is to learn to use are, well, simply unimaginative. They can't
> >imagine doing anything `not Windows' -- they're like Americans
> >studying the French language and complaining that the grammar `just
> >isn't natural.'
>
> Um, not necessarily. I have a fresh (and problem-free) installation of RH
> 5.1. But when I typed my first command and needed to correct it, I tried
> the 'delete' key, which surprisingly produced a tilde instead of erasing
> the character under cursor. I don't know if it's necessarily unimaginative
> to expect that under normal, default CLI environment, keys such as delete,
> insert, end and home will perform predictably (to a newbie)?
You put your finger in the wound. This has always been a problem of
Linux; mainly it's due to hysterical raisins^W^Whistorical reasons.
There are two principal flavours of terminal emulators, VT-220 ones
and VT-100 ones. Unfortunately, both the VT-220 keyboard and the
VT-100 keyboard were different from each other and from the IBM PC
keyboard.
AFAIK, xterm emulates a VT-100 while the Linux console emulates a
VT-220. And this is only the beginning of this problem. It's a real
bugger, you're right.
[schnibble]
> As an aside: look at Perl. I am not a programmer, but I have written
> several programs in Perl that are very useful to me under Win95. Of course
> I did study the documentation a lot, but it takes under a minute to write
> your first 'hello world' in Perl even if you've never written a .bat file
> in DOS. You can make progress at a comfortable pace, and there's plenty of
> stuff you can figure out even without the docs - that's because Perl *is*
> intuitive, in the way that "Ctrl-X, Ctrl-C" somehow ain't.
Well, lots of people would disagree with you here, including me (I
don't think Perl is intuitive, and it's full of warts - f.ex. file
handles haven't got a unique type prefix, all the other types do.
Geez!). Anyway, programming languages are a different notion from
keystrokes - keystrokes become *reflexes*. They're supposed to.
Whether they're "intuitive" or not from someone's personal point of
view doesn't matter much once you've learnt them.
mawa
--
It's always September in comp.os.linux.advocacy...
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From: Alexander Dymerets <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Pentium III Boycott and survey info
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 11:43:06 +0300
Hi!
> >I'm still leaning towards this 'unique identifier' thing to be nothing new
> >at all, that the PIII merely brought the issue to the attention of the
> >public.
>
> There are unique identifiers out there already, just that this one may
> turn out to be immutable.
I don't see any problem in unique identifiers. All hard disks,
mothermoards ans ethernet cards have them and application can use
them, for example, for copyright protection. At least in
DOS and Win9X it's possible.
Alexander
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