Linux-Misc Digest #728, Volume #19 Sat, 3 Apr 99 19:13:08 EST
Contents:
re:ppp with slackware (Richard Stevens)
Re: Idea: Make a seperate "i686" tree for Redhat Linux 6.0 (Alexander Viro)
Re: Please help - upgrading kernel ("John Fee")
Does Linux run the processor HLT command? ("John Fee")
Getting agetty to clear the screen (Josh Joyce)
Re: Problem while Upgrading Kernel ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: ppp with slackware (Walter Strong)
Trying to update Kde1.0 with Kde1.1 (Suse 6.0) HELP ME PLEASE ! (Paolo Fornara)
Re: Apache SSL (Ben Short)
Re: SIOCSIFFLAGS (Ben Short)
Re: Getting agetty to clear the screen (Nick Lucent)
Re: Good UPS? (Nick Lucent)
LILO and IDE drive > 1024 cyls (Alan Baker)
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From: Richard Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: re:ppp with slackware
Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 00:12:51 +0100
I wonder if anyone can help me. Iam trying to connect to my isp using
ppsetup. I have used the program to my knowledge in the right way.
But
when i type ppp-go it just goes back to the command prompt and nothing
happens. any help would be appreciated.
Richard
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Viro)
Crossposted-To:
linux.redhat.misc,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Idea: Make a seperate "i686" tree for Redhat Linux 6.0
Date: 3 Apr 1999 18:17:02 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
James Goldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Alexander Viro wrote:
>>
><snip story of foo, bar and of course, baz>
>
>> he's OK with <bar>, can't stand anything else and is on holy crusade
>> against authors of <bar>.
>
>True. That's rather annoying isn't it? But then again, I frequently go
>off on little crusades about my particular foobar: Microsoft. I said I
>don't care anymore, but it's not really true. The kind of hatred any
>truly computer-literate person develops for M$ never quite dies. So I
>guess I'm guilty, too.
And before MS there was Big Blue (aka Inferior But Marketable,
aka It's Better Manually, aka Imbecils Build Monsters, aka IBM). No, I
don't mean Apple vs. PC wars. It goes back waaay further. To /360 times.
And beyond. They not only *produced* bullshit (the oldest one I've dealt
with was IBM/360 clone, that doesn't count equally braindead periphs.),
their behaviour was, well, less than ethical (and MS distinctly resembles
them, but that's another story).
><snip description of lusers>
>
>OK, with this description I can't possibly argue. People like you
>described shouldn't be allowed to own computers. They are powerful and
>potentially dangerous tools (I mean the computers - although I concede
>that the lusers are tools, too).
>
>So everyone should ask themselves: "Do I really know what I'm doing?"
>Actually, scratch that. An luser would always answer "yes" even though
Nope. 9:1 that it will answer "huh???"
>the answer is definitely "no". I must have met a few thousand people
>like this - and that's just in college. Here I have to note that most of
>said people thought Microsoft was wonderful.
>
>> >big ol' bandwagon again. Linux has become a buzzword.
>> Yes. And there is a type that I would call professional advocates.
>> Completely dishonest, absolutely ignorant, want to fight for
>> something, no matter what. Most vocal type. BTW, many of them are
>> ex-Mac/ex-Amiga/ex-OS/2 advocates - check DejaNews and you'll see.
>
>Hmm.. care to elaborate on this, too? Do you mean people screaming about
>how wonderful Linux is/putting down everyone who doesn't use
>it/otherwise making asses of themselves/otherwise making asses of the
>rest of the Linux community? Yes, then I agree. I'll rail agaist M$ as
Example: guy running around and screaming "Linux everywhere"
(annoying, to put it mildly, when victi^Wlistener is caught in lavatory),
requesting to replace working (ahem) Solaris boxen. Had he checked WTF
is running there? No? Had he checked whether it runs on Linux? No? Had
he ever heard "if it isn't broken don't fix it"? Also no? Will he care
to pay for moving the thing to new box and testing it? Oh, he'll do it
himself? Cool. Especially since he knows squat about the stuff. Oh, he'll
learn in process? May I politely suggest him to FOAD?
You see, the same kind of idiots run around demanding to switch
working mailservers to NT (and Sexchange... <shudder>). It doesn't matter
how good or bad the system in question is - attitude, clue level and
consequences are same. Another example: several weeks ago local luser
caught me when I went out to smoke and started chatting about k3wl stuff he
runs on his k3wl b0x (chat was pretty much single-sided, but he didn't
care). Well, he asked me what I'm running. D'oh. Solaris, Linux and *BSD,
said I. Woah... Idiot began to scream. He accused me in using politically
incorrect systems and *demanded* to remove the work of devil and change
everything to RH 5.2. So there... Week earlier the same idiot excre^Wexercised
in major DSW with another one. Second idiot discovered FreeBSD. Yup, the
same behaviour - now he *knows* the true faith (albeit knows nothing about
FreeBSD, Linux or UNIX in general; doesn't matter, he'll preach anyway).
It would be funny if it wouldn't be so nauseating. Both sides demonstrated
absolute lack of clue wrt *both* systems. Both were *very* vocal. Oh, BTW,
year ago one of them screamed "Mac everywhere!" and another - "OS/2 is the
best thing ever, everything else should die!"
>much as the next guy (and probably more), but the fact is that the rest
>of the world needs enlightenment about the true nature of M$. What they
Does it? If somebody is OK with his tools - let him use them. I'm
less than willing to use the stuff in question myself. If somebody has
different needs - fine with me, if I don't have to do support. Dunno...
the last MS stuff I had to use more than several times was DOS 3.30.
*I* *don't* *do* *Windows* works fine. Ditto for MacOS. As for the political
side... IMO it belongs to talk.politics.*, not comp.*.
>don't need is to be put down. God knows we get enough of that sort of
>thing as it is.
>
>> fact that people in <foo> speak on a different language. "What? They
>
>Here's another thing that's going to give me away, but where does this
>"foo" come from? I see it all over the place.
See Jargon File (www.ccil.org/jargon)
:foo: /foo/ 1. /interj./ Term of disgust. 2. Used very
generally as a sample name for absolutely anything, esp. programs
and files (esp. scratch files). 3. First on the standard list of
{metasyntactic variable}s used in syntax examples. See also
{bar}, {baz}, {qux}, {quux}, {corge}, {grault},
{garply}, {waldo}, {fred}, {plugh}, {xyzzy},
{thud}.
The etymology of hackish `foo' is obscure. When used in
connection with `bar' it is generally traced to the WWII-era Army
slang acronym FUBAR (`Fucked Up Beyond All Repair'), later
bowdlerized to {foobar}. (See also {FUBAR}.)
However, the use of the word `foo' itself has more complicated
antecedents, including a long history in comic strips and cartoons.
The old "Smokey Stover" comic strips by Bill Holman often
included the word `FOO', in particular on license plates of cars;
allegedly, `FOO' and `BAR' also occurred in Walt Kelly's
"Pogo" strips. In the 1938 cartoon "The Daffy Doc", a very
early version of Daffy Duck holds up a sign saying "SILENCE IS
FOO!"; oddly, this seems to refer to some approving or positive
affirmative use of foo. It has been suggested that this might be
related to the Chinese word `fu' (sometimes transliterated
`foo'), which can mean "happiness" when spoken with the proper
tone (the lion-dog guardians flanking the steps of many Chinese
restaurants are properly called "fu dogs").
Paul Dickson's excellent book "Words" (Dell, 1982, ISBN
0-440-52260-7) traces "Foo" to an unspecified British naval
magazine in 1946, quoting as follows: "Mr. Foo is a mysterious
Second World War product, gifted with bitter omniscience and
sarcasm."
Other sources confirm that `FOO' was a semi-legendary subject of
WWII British-army graffiti more-or-less equivalent to the American
Kilroy. Where British troops went, the graffito "FOO was here"
or something similar showed up. Several slang dictionaries aver
that FOO probably came from Forward Observation Officer. In this
connection, the later American military slang `foo fighters' is
interesting; at least as far back as the 1950s, radar operators
used it for the kind of mysterious or spurious trace that would
later be called a UFO (the older term resurfaced in popular
American usage in 1995 via the name of one of the better
grunge-rock bands).
Earlier versions of this entry suggested the possibility that
hacker usage actually sprang from "FOO, Lampoons and Parody",
the title of a comic book first issued in September 1958, a joint
project of Charles and Robert Crumb. Though Robert Crumb (then in
his mid-teens) later became one of the most important and
influential artists in underground comics, this venture was hardly
a success; indeed, the brothers later burned most of the existing
copies in disgust. The title FOO was featured in large letters on
the front cover. However, very few copies of this comic actually
circulated, and students of Crumb's `oeuvre' have established
that this title was a reference to the earlier Smokey Stover
comics.
An old-time member reports that in the 1959 "Dictionary of the
TMRC Language", compiled at {TMRC}, there was an entry that went
something like this:
FOO: The first syllable of the sacred chant phrase "FOO MANE
PADME HUM." Our first obligation is to keep the foo counters
turning.
For more about the legendary foo counters, see {TMRC}. Almost
the entire staff of what later became the MIT AI Lab was involved
with TMRC, and probably picked the word up there.
Very probably, hackish `foo' had no single origin and derives
through all these channels from Yiddish `feh' and/or English
`fooey'.
--
"You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!"
"Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert.
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From: "John Fee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Please help - upgrading kernel
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 00:06:29 +0100
Dennis Friis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:cGnN2.88$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> John Fee wrote in message <7e4l9q$746$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >I'm trying to upgrade RH 5.2 kernel 2.0.36 to 2.2.2
> simply unpack the source for 2.2.2 in /usr/scr and go into the new
directory
> and type 'make mrproper' 'make menuconfig' .. etc.. just boot the new
kernel
> and now update the suggested files from their source..
Thanks Dennis. I managed it after a clean install.
JF
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From: "John Fee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Does Linux run the processor HLT command?
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 00:11:38 +0100
When I use Linux for the same sort of workload as Win98+CPUIdle my CPU runs
several degrees hotter. I was lead to believe that UNIX based systems ran
the HLT command intrinsically. Anyone know anything about this?
JF
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From: Josh Joyce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Getting agetty to clear the screen
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 23:19:07 GMT
Hi,
Is there any way that I can get agetty to clear the screen for
login/logout?
Thanks.
Josh
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Problem while Upgrading Kernel
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 19:51:52 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (TeaLeaf) wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have just installed RedHat 5.2 (kernel 2.0.36??) from PC-Plus
> magazine coverdisk (UK). Also on this magazine is Kernel 2.2.2
>
> I have followed the procedure for upgarding the Kernel but I am having
> a problem..
>
> Installation of RH5.2 went okay
> X-Windows and everything working fine
> Start upgrade:
> I copied "linux-2-2-2-??.tar.gz" to /usr/src (as root)
> I unpacked the source
> I move to /usr/src/linux and read the README
> I do a "make mrproper"
> <here i get an error 'cos make isn't installed so I used RPM to
> install make>
> <i also realize that gcc isn't installed so I install gcc using RPM
> too>
> "make mrproper" okay now
> "make config" - okay
> "make dep" - this fails as standard header files can be found
> (ctype.h, stdio.h etc...)
You need to install the glibc-devel.
And you will need to install at least a few more packages. The problem is you
did not choose the "C Development" and "Development Libraries" options when
you installed redhat. You will definitly need bin86 and binutils.
In addition, you need to upgrade several installed packages in order to use
the 2.2 kernel. These are at ftp://updates.redhat.com or at a mirror.
> I have read GCC-HOWTO and Kernel-HOWTO and MAKEFILE and cannot see
> what I have missed.
> The headers are where they should be. Symbolic links are in place
> (usr/include/linux and usr/include/asm)
Read the docs that came with the kernel source package.
Perry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Walter Strong)
Subject: Re: ppp with slackware
Date: 3 Apr 1999 23:23:20 GMT
Richard Stevens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: I wonder if anyone can help me. Iam trying to connect to my isp using
: ppsetup. I have used the program to my knowledge in the right way.
: But
: when i type ppp-go it just goes back to the command prompt and nothing
: happens. any help would be appreciated.
: Richard
Hi, ppp-go can be frustrating. So many things can go wrong. Have you
made sure that everything is okay at the hardware end? For example,
can you dial into your server through minicom and get a ppp connection
going (not a usable one, just the 'garbage' stream that comes once the
server has started ppp)? If you are sure that you've got the modem
and /dev settings correct, try to start the connection without ppp-go:
/usr/sbin/pppd /dev/ttyS* 38400
...will do it (where /dev/ttyS* is your modem and your speed is set
accordingly). This will have pppd use the /etc/ppp/options file to
set launch chat and make the connection. Once you do that you can start
to trouble shoot by checking /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog. If
you want to test different options and chatscripts:
/usr/sbin/pppd /dev/ttyS* 38400 file /etc/ppp/options2
will launch pppd with whatever you've put into options2 (a different
chatscript would be identified by placing:
connect '/usr/sbin/chat -t 60 -f /etc/ppp/chatscript2'
at the end of options2.
It's hard to say much specific to your problem unless you post
something a bit more specific. Maybe a few lines from your log
files of a failed attempt would help.
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From: Paolo Fornara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Trying to update Kde1.0 with Kde1.1 (Suse 6.0) HELP ME PLEASE !
Date: 3 Apr 1999 23:32:06 GMT
I'm trying to upgrade my Kde 1.0 (Suse 6.0) with Kde 1.1...but I've got
some problems....
1) When I try to unpack "kdesupport" with RPM -Uvh kdesupport.rpm , rpm
package says me that libuulib.so.0 is missing ! Where can I find that
library ?????
2) Is it safe for integrity of my Kde 1.0 (Suse6.0) to try and upgrade it
??????
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ben Short)
Subject: Re: Apache SSL
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 09:40:22 +1000
In article <7e600v$obm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
> I am trying to set up my first Apache web server. I have Linux Redhat v5.2 up
> and running. I also have Apache installed and it serves. I need to install
> some security and set it up though and I can't find much info on that. I was
> thinking of setting up ssl on it. That is where you get the "https://" isn't
> it?
Correct
> I also had a question on the ".htaccess" files. How do you set one of
> those up? I have tried to play with them and deny access to certain IP's and
> such, but I can't seem to get it to work.
A good Wesbite/FAQ for the Mosaic User Authentication htaccess is
http://hoohoo.ncsa.uiuc.edu/docs/tutorials/user.html
I use it all the time :>
> I must have the syntax wrong. One
> more quick question I had was how do you set up the directorys for different
> users? Here is what I want to do. Lets say my site is "www.redhat.com". I
> want another address to be "www.redhat.com/~Some_User". If I make another
> directory underneith my /home/httpd/html directory called Some_User, I can't
> type in "www.redhat.com/~Some_User" and get the page. I have to actually type
> in the name of the file too...index.html. I was under the impression that it
> defaulted to index.html. It does for the main site. Any helpful hints would
> be appreciated. I do have some knowlege of linux, but have never messed with
> web servers. Thanks!
Depending on you version of Apache (httpd.conf or srm.conf prior to
1.3.4), You need to configure the conf files. the ~user Signifies a
user directory, and usually defaults to public_html in that directory.
So www.abc.com/~glow may well look like /home/glow/puvlic_html on the
linux partition. you can also set up the default page to load from the
confs too (ie index.html index.htm main.html etc..)
The confs are fairly straight forward with commented instructions
(well,mine were anyway ;) )
Hope This helps
Ben
>
>
> Ryan
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ben Short)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: SIOCSIFFLAGS
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 09:45:34 +1000
In article <7e6525$fmq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
> Can somebody tell me why I get the following message everytime I try to
> start up my network with: /sbin/init.d/network start?
> SIOCSIFFLAGS: resource temporarily unavailable.
> What does it mean and what can I do about it?
> I am new at this so please keep it simple.
> Help is greatly appreciated for I fear I could go over to the dark
> (microsoft) side again!
> Hans.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>
I've had one of my friends have trouble with something similar to this.
It might be an idea to check and see if you network card module is
loading.
Cheers
Ben
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nick Lucent)
Subject: Re: Getting agetty to clear the screen
Date: 4 Apr 1999 00:09:31 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 3 Apr 1999 23:19:07 GMT, Josh Joyce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<>Hi,
<>Is there any way that I can get agetty to clear the screen for
<>login/logout?
<>
<>Thanks.
<>Josh
If your using csh/tcsh put 'clear' in ~/.logout and ~/.login. For bash you
can put 'clear' at the top of your .profile, and alias exit to clear &&
logout.
Nick
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nick Lucent)
Subject: Re: Good UPS?
Date: 4 Apr 1999 00:11:34 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:26:11 -0600, Aaron Dershem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<>Anyone have a recommendation for a good UPS? I just have a single box and
<>15" monitor, so I don't need anything fancy. Also, if you can recommend a
<>product that's available for purchase on-line (buycomp.com), that would be
<>even better.
<>
<>Thanks,
<>
<>Aaron Dershem
<>
<>
I have two best power ups's, they have worked flawlessly, and the ones w/ a
serial connection come w/ a linux binary, or source for the software. (And
you can buy them from buycomp)
Nick
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alan Baker)
Subject: LILO and IDE drive > 1024 cyls
Date: 03 Apr 99 23:54:42 GMT
I've installed Linux on an IBM ValuePoint 486-100 which has a 540MB
IDE drive. It boots fine from diskette, but when I boot from the
hard drive LILO just reports "LI", indicating a geometry problem
(more than 1024 cylinders).
Fdisk reports that my /dev/hda has 16 heads, 63 sectors, and 1049
cylinders. I partitioned it so the /dev/hda1 Linux native partition
is the first 930 cylinders and the /dev/hda2 swap partition is the
remaining 119 cylinders.
What changes are needed to the lilo.conf (and fstab?) files created
by my Red Hat 5.2 installation?
Alan in San Jose
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