Linux-Misc Digest #732, Volume #19 Sun, 4 Apr 99 03:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: knews: Couldn't determine domain name. Posting will not be possible. (Charles
E Taylor IV)
Re: Does Linux run the processor HLT command? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the (Tom Betz)
RH 5.2 NFS server dies (Ron Bergeron)
Tuesday 6 April Meeting of LXNY: Jacob T. Schwartz to address LXNY on SETL and
Keyboardless Programming ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Removing programs (Benjamin Smith)
Re: What is the best Linux to install? (Roberto Alsina)
Re: What is the best Linux to install? (jedi)
Re: Where can I download Linux as one compressed file? ("Evan R. Battle")
Re: Idea: Make a seperate "i686" tree for Redhat Linux 6.0 (Rod Smith)
Re: Idea: Make a seperate "i686" tree for Redhat Linux 6.0 (Horst von Brand)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles E Taylor IV)
Subject: Re: knews: Couldn't determine domain name. Posting will not be possible.
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 09:28:41 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Steve Gage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[Knews not being able to determine domain name]
> I don't know about Knews - perhaps there is a way to
> tell it what your email address is.
If you compile knews from source, it's possible to tell it to look
for a file containing your domain name - or to simply compile in the
domain name.
--
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Charles E Taylor IV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Visit me on the web!
http://orangesherbert.ces.clemson.edu
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Does Linux run the processor HLT command?
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 04:21:38 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Sun, 4 Apr 1999 00:11:38 +0100...
..and John Fee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When I use Linux for the same sort of workload as Win98+CPUIdle my CPU runs
> several degrees hotter. I was lead to believe that UNIX based systems ran
> the HLT command intrinsically. Anyone know anything about this?
Yes, Linux uses the HLT opcode, and yes, your CPU runs cooler with
Linux than with (say) Windows.
mawa
--
Such evil deeds could religion prompt.
-- Titus Lucretius Carus
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Betz)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the
Date: 3 Apr 1999 23:54:04 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Quoth Christopher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
|Matthias Warkus wrote:
|>
|> It was the 2 Apr 1999 15:24:18 -0500...
|> ..and Tom Betz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|> > Quoth "George Georgakis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in
|<01be7653$3a3ea620$0101a8c0@george>:
|> > |Much as I hate to say it, for ease of use and for those of the "just
|> > |install and use it" crowd, I must agree that Win9* is currently ahead of
|> > |all flavours of Linux.
|> >
|> > Sad, but true.
|> >
|> > Little things annoy. For example, there is no common buffer for
|> > cutting and pasting between apps.
|>
|> Sure there is.
|>
|> > You can't do something as simple
|> > as paste text copied from an xterm session into, say, Netscape.
|>
|> Netscape is a screwed-up app, that's why it works with almost
|> everything but Netscape.
|>
|
|Try holding the shift key while highlighting the text and hold shift when pasting. I
|can paste just about
|anywhere with this method.
Thanks to Matthias for explaining to me (a long-time computerist and UNIX
shell user, but new to Linux and to X) that Netscape is an exception to the
general rule, and to Christopher for being the only respondent to actually
offer a possible solution, as opposed to everyone else telling me that
something works that I know from short and recent personal experience doesn't
work.
I'll try the shift-third-key approach next time I'm on my experimental box.
--
|We have tried ignorance | Tom Betz, Generalist |
|for a very long time, and | Want to send me email? FIRST, READ THIS PAGE: |
|it's time we tried education. | <http://www.panix.com/~tbetz/mailterms.shtml> |
|<http://www.pobox.com/~tbetz> | YO! MY EMAIL ADDRESS IS HEAVILY SPAM-ARMORED! |
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From: Ron Bergeron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: RH 5.2 NFS server dies
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 23:55:03 -0500
I recently installed RH 5.2 on an HP 350 MHz Pentium II machine. I
have noticed that when the machine is under load (loadavg 2 or
more), the NFS server stops responding to requests. I don't see any
errors in any of the logs. netstat -i doesn't show any errors on the
ethernet card. Several other machines that access this NFS server
loose the connection. I usually have to reboot the machine before
NFS works again. (Simply killing and restarting NFS doesn't always
work.)
Is this a known issue that is being/has been addressed?
The NFS server is nfs-server-2.2beta37-1 which comes with RH 5.2. I
haven't found any version newer than that.
Thanks.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,nyc.seminars
Subject: Tuesday 6 April Meeting of LXNY: Jacob T. Schwartz to address LXNY on SETL
and Keyboardless Programming
Date: 4 Apr 1999 06:07:33 GMT
LXNY General Meeting
Tuesday 6 April 1999
LXNY will have a general meeting Tuesday 6 April 1999.
This meeting is free and open to the public.
The meeting runs from 6:30 P.M. to 9:00. The talk will be approximately
one hour in length, and will be in the earlier part of the meeting.
Thanks to support of the IBM Corporation, the meeting is at their building
at 590 Madison Avenue at East 57th Street on the Island of Manhattan.
Enter the building at the corner of Madison and 57th and ask at the desk
for the floor and room number.
Speaker: Jacob T. Schwartz
Title: "Keyboardless Programming - a Current Goal for the SETL System"
Professor Jack Schwartz is a computer scientist and mathematician, an
educator, a prolific and wide-ranging author, a popular speaker, an
academician, and a former advisor to the government of the United States.
He founded the NYU Center for Digital Multimedia.
SETL is an elegant and powerful very high-level programming language based
on set theory. Schwartz is one of the principal creators of the language.
Other languages in this class are LISP (built on structured lists), APL
(on matrices), SNOBOL (on strings), and PROLOG (on Horn clauses).
SETL deserves consideration by those interested in the best programming
languages available for the Unix and GNU environments. The new wealth of
memory and processor resources available has led to a revival of better
languages that were less successful in their time partly due to these
physical resource limits. LISP is a frequent LXNY topic; it is hoped
that SETL will also receive renewed interest. [descriptions by Michael
Smith]
General information about SETL:
ftp://cs.nyu.edu/pub/languages/setl2
http://www-robotics.eecs.lehigh.edu/~bacon/setl-doc.html
An actual SETL program, the "SETL server", running on the net,
with source right on the page:
http://www-robotics.eecs.lehigh.edu/~bacon/setl-server.html
SETL for Linux and other OSes:
ftp://ftp.cs.nyu.edu/pub/languages/setl2/binaries-2.3/
What is the SETL language like?
C++ adds classes and object-orientation to C, so that the language has
much in common with C.
Similarly SETL presents two aspects: it is a conventional programming
language and it is a language for mathematics. Programmers of languages
like Algol and C will find it familiar; they need little mathematical
sophistication to program SETL. The mathematically-minded will use this
conventional notation to program the abstract mathematical objects and
operations that SETL provides. Thus, it is easy to express and manipulate
functions, relations, and sets. Both ordered and unordered sets are
supported.
SETL is an outstanding language for many algorithms. SETL provides rich
assertion and backtracking facilities.
Sets can be of heterogeneous data type. Typing is flexible (objects have
types, not variable names), more akin to shell (scripting, command)
languages than to lower level programming languages. Sets (arrays and
structs are expressed as ordered sets) grow automatically -- the
programmer does not calculate bounds and check (and re-allocate) memory.
So, two of the major burdens of programming are reduced or eliminated. In
support of this position, Larry Wall writes in his article in the April
1999 Communications of the ACM (v42n4), "If you're a mere mortal, two
things drive you nuts: memory allocation and data typing. And everything
from Teco to Java bogs you down in various kinds of arbitrary limits."
(page 40)
Biographical information
Jacob T. Schwartz
Professor, Computer Science, Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences,
NYU; Ph.D. 1951, M.A. 1949, Yale; B.S. 1949, City College.
Major Interests: robotics and computer vision; computer design;
language design; compiler optimization; non-numerical computation;
operating systems.
[End official bio]
Jack Schwartz has wide interests outside these fields as well.
Books
Includes these:
Schwartz, J.T., R.B.K. Dewar, E. Dubinsky, and E. Schonberg,
PROGRAMMING WITH SETS: An Introduction to SETL, New York:
Springer-Verlag, 1986
Dunford and Schwartz, Linear Operators, in 3 volumes
Schwartz, J.T., Introduction to Matrices and Vectors, McGraw-Hill,
1961, and New York: Dover Publications, 1972
Schwartz, J.T., Relativity with Illustrations, New York: NYU Press,
1962.
Multimedia
A computer CD-ROM version of his book on Relativity.
Founded the NYU Center for Digital Multimedia.
DARPA
The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency hired Jack as its
Director of Information Science and Technology, where he decided on
research projects. One of the projects he backed was the development
of the Internet (aka ARPANET).
The NYU Ultracomputer
One of the major supercomputer projects. Schwartz was one of the
principals.
Compilers
Major work on compilers with John Cocke.
The SETL system.
The LITTLE compiler language.
Papers
Numerous technical and popular papers.
Among Jack Schwartz's many papers and series of papers, two of my
favorites are the series on robot motion planning and the series on
complexities of declarative programs in finite set theory. Both series of
papers have several co-authors. [Remark by Jay Sulzberger.]
Mathematics Educators take note!
Jack has a serious interest in the high school mathematics curriculum.
_________________________________________________________________
What is Free Software? See http://www.gnu.org .
We'd like to have as many laptops running a free OS as possible at this
meeting, since there may be people at the meeting who have never
consciously seen a free OS in action.
LXNY will meet regularly the first Tuesday of each month at IBM throughout
1999. LXNY and its supporters thank IBM for the donation of this meeting
space.
Michael Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Jay Sulzberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
LXNY is New York's Free Software Organization.
http://www.lxny.org
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From: Benjamin Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Removing programs
Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 05:06:54 GMT
Some programs that use GNU automake, i.e. ones where you do:
./configure
make
make install
Have a "make uninstall" make target that will do what you want. This is
assuming you've built and installed the tarball yourself and haven't use
pkgtool.
Jing Duan wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I am new to Linux and like to try different programs. But, after I install
> them, how can I safely remove them? I don't want anything left behind.
>
> I am using Slackware 3.6. I know there is a pkgtool for binary packages.
> But for some software, I compile them and use "make install" to install.
>
> Your have will be most appreciated.
>
> Jing
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: What is the best Linux to install?
Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 05:47:16 GMT
In article <Lw4N2.65$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Apr 1999 05:54:49 -0700, Paul Bary wrote:
> >Gotta agree...Mandrake is terrific...all the advantages of RH 5.2 plus the
> >lastest release version of KDE...I
> >couldn't be more tickled....I got mine from CheapBytes...1.99 and off you
> >go...
>
> What is the latest version of KDE? When you look for
> distribution-specific packages they tend to be relatively old. For instance,
I
> think the latest RedHat RPMs of KDE are 1.1-3, whereas you can get 'generic'
> KDE parts in 1.1-6 or so.
Last official KDE release was 1.1. There have been a few minor updates, by
security reasons, and a few updates that were specific to a distribution by
packaging issues, so the numbers are not really comparable, because if you
merge the security updates in a single, say, rpm update, it deflates the
number, and if you need to make another release by packaging reasons, it
inflates it.
Anyway: the tarballs have latest released dource, and the rpms probably have
the same, or very close.
--
Roberto Alsina (KDE developer, MFCH)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jedi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: What is the best Linux to install?
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 21:38:29 -0700
On Sat, 03 Apr 1999 11:38:54 GMT, Mike Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 2 Apr 1999 22:10:49 GMT, Danny Aldham wrote:
>
>>And I disagree. I have used RedHat since 2.1 , and Mandrake is better.
>>Mandrake _is_ RedHat, with the KDE installed. A nice desktop makes the
>>OS much friendlier to beginners. Get Mandrake if you can.
>
> I've been using KDE since I started using RedHat. You don't need to get
>an entire distribution just to get one piece of the puzzle that you want.
...like any distribution, it's a matter of packaging convenience.
--
"I was not elected to watch my people suffer and die |||
while you discuss this a invasion in committe." / | \
In search of sane PPP docs? Try http://penguin.lvcm.com
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From: "Evan R. Battle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Where can I download Linux as one compressed file?
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 00:59:33 -0500
Try BulletProof FTP
David Dineen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> A good while ago I got hold of a magazine cover CD with RedHat 4.1 and
> installed it on my PC. I didn't use it very much, though. It couldn't
> read the long filenames on my Windows drives and it was a bitch to set
> up. Now I've seen KDE running on a later version on a computer in a
> university and I'd like to give Linux another go.
>
> I found a mirror that's close to me and that's fairly fast
> (ftp.heanet.ie) but here's my problem. In Ireland we get billed per
> minute for local/Internet calls and downloading something this big is
> fairly expensive. I usually use a great piece of software for the PC
> called GetRight for large downloads. I can download a bit every day in
> the background without adding too many zeros to my phone bill. But
> GetRight will only download single files; I can't just point it at a
> directory and let it get on with it.
>
> So,basically, is there somewhere I can download RH 5.2 in one big
> file, and then unzip/untar it? Is there a better way?
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> David Dineen Fruity Bits
> www.cs.tcd.ie/spinaweb/98_finalists/02_fruitybits/
> ---------------------------------------------------------
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Crossposted-To:
linux.redhat.misc,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Idea: Make a seperate "i686" tree for Redhat Linux 6.0
Date: 3 Apr 1999 14:12:17 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Posted and mailed]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Enkidu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Johan Kullstam wrote:
>>
>> is this a redhat problem or a generic linux problem? if debian,
>> slackware &c were as popular i am sure we'd hear the same questions
>> about them.
>>
> Good point, but having subscribed to these groups for a long time, I
> still maintain that the number of *real dumb* questions correlates
> pretty well with the rise of Redhat.
>
> Does anyone want to do a count?
1) Correlation does not imply causation. The stork population is
positively correlated with birth rate in certain northern European
countries, but that doesn't mean that storks deliver babies. Similarly
for Red Hat's popularity and "real dumb" questions.
2) The *NUMBER* of "real dumb" questions will necessarily rise with the
NUMBER of postings, assuming an equal PROPORTION of "real dumb"
questions to total postings over time. This has nothing to do with Red
Hat per se.
3) Five years ago, the only people interested in Linux were hackers and
other enthusiasts. In order for the Linux userbase to grow, it must
necessarily grow into a population that's less computer literate than
the original Linux population. Therefore, you'll see more and a
higher percentage of basic questions as Linux grows in popularity. This
has nothing to do with Red Hat per se.
IMHO, you're picking on Red Hat for no good reason.
--
Rod Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.channel1.com/users/rodsmith
NOTE: Remove the "uce" word from my address to mail me
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Horst von Brand)
Crossposted-To:
linux.redhat.misc,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Idea: Make a seperate "i686" tree for Redhat Linux 6.0
Date: 28 Mar 1999 21:31:43 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Enkidu wrote:
>wizard wrote:
>> It would be foolish for redhat not to develop a 686 specific
>> version of Linux. The reality is if they don't someone else will.
>Redhat do not develop anything, they "just" package it.
RedHat developed rpm and the whole installation for the distribution from
scratch, together with assorted administration tools (control-panel, glint,
among others) and they also host (and fund) the Gnome development. Besides,
the '-28' in their latest libc-5.3.12-28.i386.rpm for example means
essentially 28 patchsets (some local, others contributed) applied to the
base, pristine source. Plus checking out who knows how many more and testing
the whole stuff together as a distribution. They are also active in checking
security.
That is _not_ "just packing" in my book.
--
Horst von Brand [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Casilla 9G, Vi�a del Mar, Chile +56 32 672616
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